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Free Beers wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

-Eye roll-

As far my needing to be a better sniper - that's entirely based on opinion. I lived through this event and we were victorious, I had a 10 - 1 KDR and my isk lost was remarkably favorable by comparison if I had gone a front-line unit. You can't base "needing to be a better sniper" on the range of the fact; it's the shot that matters.

I'm not going to lie, it surprised the absolute hell of out me that he was even landing shots at 100m but to go so far as almost killing me with those shots is pushing my skepticism.

A real world rifle -IS- accurate at distances beyond 400-500 yards, that's true, but it's not firing 12.5 rounds a second when it's doing that. There IS such a thing as recoil and thats where it starts to be a video game.

If my real-world comparisons are not credible, neither are yours.

Honestly if this is the "short range" assault rifle, I don't care to play this game when the Caldari Rifle and/or the Scrambler Rifle enter play as Amarrians have -always- had more range than Gallente with some really well balanced damage, but since this is the basis then this game is going to absolutely suck.

Just saying, we don't see people specializing in weapons like Nova Knives because it's too inconveniencing. You see a few people specializing in the Laser Rifle but not nearly as much because there are DRAWBACKS to using it and having that kind of damage output.

The HMG? Same thing. Absolutely insane reload time and just to be able to use the damned thing you are -required- to play a Heavy.

Shotgun? You have to get up close and you don't have that much in the lines of ammunition.

This game is turning into ARs and MDs. We need to INFLUENCE Specialization and Diversity, NOT cliche FPS mechanics that are outright boring.

Edit: A -GALLENTE- Assault Rifle should have range about the same as the Submachine Gun being as the SMG is Minmatar in design - it's MEANT to have higher range than Hybrid Blaster technology. If this gun is spewing out plasma and dishing out loads of damage (which it is) it needs to act like it and have the drawbacks of a Blaster. If you want to hit at 80-100m, it should be necessary to use a different weapon... Liiiiike a Caldari Rifle, which probably will go off of railgun tech being as they're known for their range engagements.

The AR has a role in this game and no one gives a **** that "It's a blaster and should only have 10 meter range in your mind". Stop trying to use "this is what its like in EvE" because ccp thought of that and decided on the AR we have.

I kill ****** snipers like you all the time that sit up high on a building thinking they are invisible ninjas. Then when they get shoot for sitting still in an open and obvious sniper camping spot they come to the forums and boo ******* who about it.


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Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1083	Posted - 2013.03.11 11:59:00 - [1] - Quote Alright alright, I know what you're thinking but hear me out for a second. I'd just like to start off by saying that I was against nerfing, fixing, tweaking or doing anything to the Assault Rifles - until today. I set up my sniper rifle and line up for the shot and (I checked the range first as I make an effort to record my distances) at 102m (SERIOUSLY!) I was shot and -almost- killed by an assault rifle. Sharpshooter 5 + Sharpshooter Proficiency 5.... Even with that, the assault rifle landing shots at 100+m is a little ridiculous. Little irritated with the fact that I didn't spec into them now, knowing that they do the highest damage in the game (per round) at that insane amount of range. 40 - 50m is one thing but effectively doubling the range seems a bit ridiculous. Just saying.
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1083	Posted - 2013.03.11 15:05:00 - [2] - Quote Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Why are you sniping from 100m? Use a LR, or a TAR... Its not the AR range thats the problem, its your choice of weapon for your range. Right, because I'm a fool who doesn't know how to operate a Sniper Rifle. It was circumstantial and I had -plenty- of back up, much less did I expect the son of a ***** to hold still and start shooting at me.
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1083	Posted - 2013.03.11 15:06:00 - [3] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Doesn't the snipers have about 600 m range? Whats the big fuss? I've never played a game with such a short AR range before, and now even thats too much? Right, but those games don't have perfect accuracy with absolutely no recoil.
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1083	Posted - 2013.03.13 04:12:00 - [4] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Assault Rifles. Blaster Assault Rifles. They shoot charges that are SUPPOSED to dissipate quickly. That's not what happens. They have a better range and less falloff than the Minmatar HMG, which contradicts common sense and lore. I say that once other racial assault rifles come out (Caldari) that the Gallente version should receive a range reduction. The Gauss Rifle can have decent range, the Blaster Rifle should not. Thank you. To all of the people defending this: there should be a trade-off to the absolutely RIDICULOUS amounts of damage the Assault Rifle puts out, and range should be one of them. Blasters have the highest damage and lowest range in Eve Online, there's absolutely no reason that an Assault Rifle (which can only be out DPSed by the HMG, and that's sketchy at best) should be able to have that much range and still dish out that much damage. Contrary to popular belief, 100m is -FAR- in this game. The maps are honestly not that big, the largest only being 1.2km from one side to the other. That's ONE SOLDIER being able to cover a tenth of the map by himself.
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1084	Posted - 2013.03.14 05:33:00 - [5] - Quote Well if the Assault Rifle is meant to be a mid/long range weapon (which it's not.. It's a ******* blaster.. It's supposed to have the shortest range...) where's the competition for the 80-100+ m range? Laser Rifle - Which a good portion fo the community thinks is OP despite it not having any spread (making it a 100% skill weapon) and skills that don't work - at all. Sniper Rifle - Does it's job well, as is the case with my story. I ran 11/1 in the match that I brought this issue up using the Sniper Rifle and it was solely because the enemy was tight-knit and working together with (you guessed it) Assault Rifles. The only other weapons that hit out to 100m are Anti-Vehicle Weapons, which aren't dependable for infantry combat. So the only frakking thing you can do about it is use those two weapons, in which you sacrifice your close range capability. The assault rifle does NOT sacrifice close range capability and has absolutely no drawbacks to it's use. Where's the balance here?
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1084	Posted - 2013.03.14 10:28:00 - [6] - Quote -Eye roll- As far my needing to be a better sniper - that's entirely based on opinion. I lived through this event and we were victorious, I had a 10 - 1 KDR and my isk lost was remarkably favorable by comparison if I had gone a front-line unit. You can't base "needing to be a better sniper" on the range of the fact; it's the shot that matters. I'm not going to lie, it surprised the absolute hell of out me that he was even landing shots at 100m but to go so far as almost killing me with those shots is pushing my skepticism. A real world rifle -IS- accurate at distances beyond 400-500 yards, that's true, but it's not firing 12.5 rounds a second when it's doing that. There IS such a thing as recoil and thats where it starts to be a video game. If my real-world comparisons are not credible, neither are yours. Honestly if this is the "short range" assault rifle, I don't care to play this game when the Caldari Rifle and/or the Scrambler Rifle enter play as Amarrians have -always- had more range than Gallente with some really well balanced damage, but since this is the basis then this game is going to absolutely suck. Just saying, we don't see people specializing in weapons like Nova Knives because it's too inconveniencing. You see a few people specializing in the Laser Rifle but not nearly as much because there are DRAWBACKS to using it and having that kind of damage output. The HMG? Same thing. Absolutely insane reload time and just to be able to use the damned thing you are -required- to play a Heavy. Shotgun? You have to get up close and you don't have that much in the lines of ammunition. This game is turning into ARs and MDs. We need to INFLUENCE Specialization and Diversity, NOT cliche FPS mechanics that are outright boring. Edit: A -GALLENTE- Assault Rifle should have range about the same as the Submachine Gun being as the SMG is Minmatar in design - it's MEANT to have higher range than Hybrid Blaster technology. If this gun is spewing out plasma and dishing out loads of damage (which it is) it needs to act like it and have the drawbacks of a Blaster. If you want to hit at 80-100m, it should be necessary to use a different weapon... Liiiiike a Caldari Rifle, which probably will go off of railgun tech being as they're known for their range engagements.
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1085	Posted - 2013.03.14 18:12:00 - [7] - Quote Free Beers wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: -Eye roll- As far my needing to be a better sniper - that's entirely based on opinion. I lived through this event and we were victorious, I had a 10 - 1 KDR and my isk lost was remarkably favorable by comparison if I had gone a front-line unit. You can't base "needing to be a better sniper" on the range of the fact; it's the shot that matters. I'm not going to lie, it surprised the absolute hell of out me that he was even landing shots at 100m but to go so far as almost killing me with those shots is pushing my skepticism. A real world rifle -IS- accurate at distances beyond 400-500 yards, that's true, but it's not firing 12.5 rounds a second when it's doing that. There IS such a thing as recoil and thats where it starts to be a video game. If my real-world comparisons are not credible, neither are yours. Honestly if this is the "short range" assault rifle, I don't care to play this game when the Caldari Rifle and/or the Scrambler Rifle enter play as Amarrians have -always- had more range than Gallente with some really well balanced damage, but since this is the basis then this game is going to absolutely suck. Just saying, we don't see people specializing in weapons like Nova Knives because it's too inconveniencing. You see a few people specializing in the Laser Rifle but not nearly as much because there are DRAWBACKS to using it and having that kind of damage output. The HMG? Same thing. Absolutely insane reload time and just to be able to use the damned thing you are -required- to play a Heavy. Shotgun? You have to get up close and you don't have that much in the lines of ammunition. This game is turning into ARs and MDs. We need to INFLUENCE Specialization and Diversity, NOT cliche FPS mechanics that are outright boring. Edit: A -GALLENTE- Assault Rifle should have range about the same as the Submachine Gun being as the SMG is Minmatar in design - it's MEANT to have higher range than Hybrid Blaster technology. If this gun is spewing out plasma and dishing out loads of damage (which it is) it needs to act like it and have the drawbacks of a Blaster. If you want to hit at 80-100m, it should be necessary to use a different weapon... Liiiiike a Caldari Rifle, which probably will go off of railgun tech being as they're known for their range engagements. The AR has a role in this game and no one gives a ** that "It's a blaster and should only have 10 meter range in your mind". Stop trying to use "this is what its like in EvE" because ccp thought of that and decided on the AR we have. I kill ** snipers like you all the time that sit up high on a building thinking they are invisible ninjas. Then when they get shoot for sitting still in an open and obvious sniper camping spot they come to the forums and boo *** who about it. So glad I give a about Free Beers' thoughts, I really am. Stop trying to turn the game into Assault Rifle/Mass Drivers Online and we won't have an issue, you've clamored to nerf everything else - hell, you've bitched about every single grenade type that ever existed so your credibility is poor as is. Same , different thread: "Omfg he said something about Assault Rifles - must instantly disagree to this because it's all anyone uses." Seriously. I have yet to see -one- person say jack of about the issue at hand, just QQing about what the hell I'm doing with a Sniper Rifle. You guys are cheeky, if anything. Answer my question: Where's the *** drawback on the Assault Rifle, eh? Not a single response on that one yet, just more trolling from the Goonswarm of Dust 514. Grow a pair of balls and answer the question if you feel that this magical weapon has such an important "role" - and yes, some of us do "give a " about it being a blaster because this -IS EVE ONLINE-. not Section 8. Lock this thread. Done with this bullshit. Game shouldn't even be on the PS3 in the first place because of dumb ***** like this.