the irony of this thread.....

You are correct, it was a 2v1 vs. you and another red dot in the bowl map. I killed you, other guy killed me. Happy? Back on topic my brother from another mother.

Ya, agree on the hybrid model.

Have heard from.certain shotgunners that this spawn system really screws with them. Where they were once use to one or two people spawning, now they get a guy spawning and then it is their whole team.

My KDR has never been so low... jk, I had it 0.70 for like 3 weeks.
But yeah, I can barely go 1 for 1 in a match now. You kill one guy and their whole team comes after you! Stopped using stotguns two, it was nothing but deaths

On the bright side... my grenade skills have really improved

1. This game was never meant to be a 1v1 game, its whole concept and play style and advancement indicates a team based/blob mentality. Building a char to 1v1 is very much a shortsighted strategy and the whole spawn system in the old ambush (that I benefited greatly from) just led to a series of easy kills and extremely short high intensity 1v1s and 2v1's and where a good squad working together would easily clean up the map in circles. Now things require more coordinated fire and working together in squads to get things done.

2. The weapons have range for a reason, start using the range on them and focus less on getting in close for the old grenade shooting cqc.

Addressing 2 first:

2-Ton, all HMGs that level sharpshooter up now can shoot across the map, thats broken, needs to be fixed. Gotta love those HMGs that camp on top of buildings now. I don't use grenades much, I'm AR specifically, if you played the game, you'd know.


1. This game's spawn system on both modes has been the same for the past 10 months. Then all of a sudden it changes to blob spawns. All I am asking is for them to come up with a mix between the two. The first spawn in establishes squad mentality. After that, it is up to team/squad to be on the same page to win. Why reduce it to forced mass spawns?

What if all my teammates are camped and I don't want to spawn with them? The game doesn't give me a random choice anymore, it spawns me where it "thinks" is most appropriate, which is usually by my teammates.

The last two sentences you typed in your first point contradict each other, I would re-read them and come up with something else to debate your point.

This game was never meant to be a 1v1 game, its whole concept and play style and advancement indicates a team based/blob mentality. Building a char to 1v1 is very much a shortsighted strategy and the whole spawn system in the old ambush (that I benefited greatly from) just led to a series of easy kills and extremely short high intensity 1v1s and 2v1's and where a good squad working together would easily clean up the map in circles. Now things require more coordinated fire and working together in squads to get things done.

Gota say, I never thought I would see the day when someone complained about "blobs" in a FPS setting.

I also never thought I would see the day when someone complained about the lack of 1v1 in a FPS setting. This isn't exactly knightly combat, brosaf.

I like the new system because it promotes team play and leads to some excellent firefights, but as others have said if your team gets trapped you all get spawned into a shitload of fire, it also makes breakouts difficult because you get the entire enemy team surrounding you. The one thing i really liked about the old system was how it could spawn you into a position where if you were smart you could turn the enemy's flank and keep the game mobile. and these days OB's are just a kill entire enemy team button.

the irony of this thread.....

I like the new spawn system better. I find ample 1v1 situations and if you are able to sneak past the front line then you break open their wall.

The mob style team firing is more entertaining for me. Only thing i really dislike is if a mob really gets rolling it can be hard to stop.

in manus peak an OB should be renamed to "Kill the entire enemy team" or "Get easy 8 kills".

Just so i get this right:
The OP is mourning over people using team tactics in a team-based shooter? Blimey.

By addressing the spawn system, it will create whatever players desire. As it is now, it forces a certain type of gameplay.

This is definitely a squad based shooter, I totally agree with that. And it is one of the things I like about it the most. The game mode this should be most evident in is skirmish.

Let's just say for instance they fixed the spawn system as I suggested. Would it ruin team or squad based play? Not at all, it would make it more communication based.

Example: I get killed, my squad is at D, I am a B on the plateaus map. We communicate this and try to hook up quickly. The problem being there are 2 open areas between us. I have to fight my way to them and they to me.


With this old spawn system, I will usually spawn around the largest mass of blue/green dots. There is no working toward a reunion and I have no "say" in the matter unless someone has dropped an uplink.

Old system would randomly place me on the map, communication betwen squad members was required to come together.
New system we all spawn around each other regardless of whether we are being camped or not.


I do understand what alot of you are saying about the current system. And as I said, the very first spawn in is great.

I just think all the spawn ins after should be randomized around the map. This would require you to communicate and think about best path to your squad.

And also create some solo gameplay that is entirely lacking atm.


There is a happy medium between these two systems, just hope CCP can find it.

I just think all the spawn ins after should be randomized around the map. This would require you to communicate and think about best path to your squad.
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There is a happy medium between these two systems, just hope CCP can find it.

And also create some solo gameplay that is entirely lacking atm.

The things the new spawns buffed because of the new play style

HMGs
Mass drivers
Lasers
Snipers
All AV

All people who have specd into those categories are happy with the new spawns.

I would prefer the hybrid idea

It's important to remember that the focus of this game will soon shift to larger scale battles between corporations. This spawn system will make a lot more since in FW when you are going into battles with 23 corp mates.

I would strike HMG from that list personally. I did better under the old spawn system. that might just be how i play heavy though. this way i have 4 lasers mowing me down whenever i try to advance across the death valley.

and you forgot ARs with SS do benefit from this as well

You could also title this the "Death of Squads in Ambush"

It's not just the death of the small fights you and I like but also just the concept of the squad.

Everyone on the entire team spawns in one blob and runs for the blob on the other side.

Players are learning nothing at all from this.

This has no application for corp battles.

This has no application for other game types.

They don't learn good weapon use, as they just point in the right general direction with other blueberries. They have no clue how successful their pointing was other then random kills they get from randomly putting the last bullet in someone.

You want to play 1v1 in a multiplier shooter....

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First spawn is awesome for team and squads to use Drop Up Links...after that the spawn camping vs noobs is rough...but noobs can use DU's too. They may patch and improve. No one can deny it is better then the "firing squad" system that was. So thanks for the improvement.

I deny it is better.

Its much worse for the reasons I cited. Newbs are learning nothing about being part of a squad or how to shoot.

Enlarge the maps, add spawn points and revert to the old random system.

People won't get camped, they'll be forced to talk to their squads and join up with them.