Real life stats =/= online video games.

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Real life stats =/= online video games.

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We all know that HMG's are gimped for balance reasons, but when people start saying that it's the range that needs to get nerfed... yeah, no.

You still cling to real life stats, if range on a HMG unbalances the game, then it should be toned back. Doesn't matter if IRL it can lob massive chunks of lead as far as a sniper rifle or not.

Balance is everything in online games, reality be damned if it interferes with that.

Lolreallifestats, this is a GAME, not real life.

CCP needs to stop letting us respawn, so unrealistic with the clones and stuff.
Wait a second...... :O its a game so it does not need to be realistic.

Lolreallifestats, this is a GAME, not real life.

CCP needs to stop letting us respawn, so unrealistic with the clones and stuff.
Wait a second...... :O its a game so it does not need to be realistic.

Just once I would like to see a game with accurate representations of weapon's calibers, ranges, etc.

If your justification for balance is "real life," I expect you to argue for lower, non-regenerating health and stripping of all futuristic items and concepts used in the game as well. At least be consistent.

Relying on the kinetic energy of a bit of lead? How quaint.

I hear BB guns also have a role on the battlefield. But if you want to kill a DUST merc you'll need an assault rifle that shoots bolts of charged plasma held together by a strong magnetic field that collapses when it hits the target.

Sadly, unlike the pieces of lead you so love to shoot around, the magnetic field of the plasma bolt doesn't last very long.

http://dust514.com/news/blog/2011/12/infantry-weapons-in-dust-514-1/

Now get updated on the backstory, and perhaps you can give some slightly more 'useful' feedback.

Relying on the kinetic energy of a bit of lead? How quaint.

I hear BB guns also have a role on the battlefield. But if you want to kill a DUST merc you'll need an assault rifle that shoots bolts of charged plasma held together by a strong magnetic field that collapses when it hits the target.

Sadly, unlike the pieces of lead you so love to shoot around, the magnetic field of the plasma bolt doesn't last very long.

http://dust514.com/news/blog/2011/12/infantry-weapons-in-dust-514-1/

Now get updated on the backstory, and perhaps you can give some slightly more 'useful' feedback.

actually MP7 is widely used where space is a limiting factor, e.g. by tank crews. penetrates body armor like butter, 200m effective range, size of a pistol.

now compare this to the SMG ingame. weakest dps, range of 15meter, horrible accuracy and due to this takes several seconds of concentrated fire to get through the armor of a heavy. specialist shotgun has minimal fitting requirements, why whould you ever use the SMG over of the specialist shotgun?

Relying on the kinetic energy of a bit of lead? How quaint.

I hear BB guns also have a role on the battlefield. But if you want to kill a DUST merc you'll need an assault rifle that shoots bolts of charged plasma held together by a strong magnetic field that collapses when it hits the target.

Sadly, unlike the pieces of lead you so love to shoot around, the magnetic field of the plasma bolt doesn't last very long.

http://dust514.com/news/blog/2011/12/infantry-weapons-in-dust-514-1/

Now get updated on the backstory, and perhaps you can give some slightly more 'useful' feedback.

Ha, yes. Our weapons in Dust are so advanced they are much less powerful than kinetic weapons used on Earth today.

The HMG and SMG have shells and look a lot like kinetic weapons to me. Could be wrong.

Oh yes, when I said PLASMA BOLT contained by a MAGNETIC FIELD, it obviously implies a PLASMA BOLT is less devastating to FUTURE OMGWTFBBQ HIGH-TECH ARMOR than INERT MASS. Now, you might be right that your INERT LEAD/URANIUM bullets might fly further, however what good is it when they have the same impact as BB NERF GUN BULLETS?

(Note; Use of capital words is in an effort to highlight the important parts of the above text for the slow readers, e.g. OP)

Also we have yet to come across any example of inert mass projectiles, and until SMG and HMG get a devblog we won't know.

Why does everyone want everything perfectly balanced. Balance is the opposite of chaos. And chaos is what New Eden was built on. I'd rather have crazy OP everything, where the battlefield is a chaotic mess than a perfectly balanced FPS.

War isn't balanced. And this is a futuristic war game. Adapt and survive.

Actually war is pretty balanced if you're talking about two standing armies facing off against each other. The chaos on the battlefield doesn't come from the weapons, it comes from how those weapons are used. It comes from the people, which is the only thing that a game can't balance out. Balance the weapons, give them to the players, and watch the chaos insue. .

Uhm... yes we will. We already do know.

Minmatar weapons use modern bullets. They're the only race that still uses completely mechanical firearms. This is like, EvE lore 101 man. Actually, just look at the damn weapon descriptions in the market. They clearly tell you what type of ammo both the HMG and SMG use.

And you're use of capitalization and over-the-top exaggeration only serves to make you look an idiot. Consider italics next time.

Somebody shoulda told the Aztecs that when Cortez landed...

I looked it up (see, research!). If it hadn't been for smallpox and famine, I don't think Cortez would've have made it out alive.

Hey folks,


First post on any forum EVER. I had to get this off my chest though. Been playing FPS's for as long as I can remember but this is the first game I have ever took time to check out the forums for advice and stuff. Noticed the back and forth nerfing post's. So naturally had to put my two cents. This is mainly for the players we all know so well that think AR's and Sub's fire 155mm arty rounds.
I am gonna give ya'll a real life break down of cal. and max effective rarget range for the modern US military small arms arsenal.


Weapons Cal. Range


M9(pistol): 9mm 50 m

M16/M4(Carbine): 5.56mm 550/500 meters (max effective point target)

SAW(LMG): 5.56mm 800 meters

240B(LMG): 7.62x51mm 1,100 m

M203: 40mm 350 meters

MK19: 40mm 1,500 meters

M2(HMG): .50 BMG 1,800 meters

M134(Minigun): 7.62x51mm 1,000 meters

Any US Sniper rifle: 7.62x51mm to .50 BMG 800meters to 1,829meters



I have trained on all above weapons and applied them in OIF III & OIF IX except sniper rifles and the mini. The most impressive destruction is delivered by MG's and grenade launchers hands down. A well trained sniper can halt combat operations for hours possibly. AR's are effective especially when employed in numbers by a maneuverable force. Submachine guns were phased
out by the advent of the carbine. Who wants a sub that fires a pistol cartridge when you can have a carbine roughly the same size?



I guess what I'm getting at is that all you nerfer's need to chill out. Especially the HMG haters. You better be glad that the "heavies" in the future only shoot what appears to be raisinettes compared to its "little brother" the AR. Sub users just sit in
the back of the class, keep your heads down and try not to get called on.



FPS's gamers this is the truth. Deal with it. I know their just games but a little dose of common since here and there don't hurt. Just once I would like to see a game with accurate representations of weapon's calibers, ranges, etc. I mean I'm not asking anyone to eat apples and crap a fruit salad. Is this unreasonable?