DUST Search - NERF Mythbusters

Jotun Hiem wrote:

Rasatsu wrote:

Oh yes, when I said PLASMA BOLT contained by a MAGNETIC FIELD, it obviously implies a PLASMA BOLT is less devastating to FUTURE OMGWTFBBQ HIGH-TECH ARMOR than INERT MASS. Now, you might be right that your INERT LEAD/URANIUM bullets might fly further, however what good is it when they have the same impact as BB NERF GUN BULLETS?

(Note; Use of capital words is in an effort to highlight the important parts of the above text for the slow readers, e.g. OP)

Also we have yet to come across any example of inert mass projectiles, and until SMG and HMG get a devblog we won't know.

Uhm... yes we will. We already do know.

Minmatar weapons use modern bullets. They're the only race that still uses completely mechanical firearms. This is like, EvE lore 101 man. Actually, just look at the damn weapon descriptions in the market. They clearly tell you what type of ammo both the HMG and SMG use.

And you're use of capitalization and over-the-top exaggeration only serves to make you look an idiot. Consider italics next time.


Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Beuford T Justice Amarr Black Ops 2	Posted - 2013.03.01 05:20:00 - [1] - Quote Hey folks, First post on any forum EVER. I had to get this off my chest though. Been playing FPS's for as long as I can remember but this is the first game I have ever took time to check out the forums for advice and stuff. Noticed the back and forth nerfing post's. So naturally had to put my two cents. This is mainly for the players we all know so well that think AR's and Sub's fire 155mm arty rounds. I am gonna give ya'll a real life break down of cal. and max effective rarget range for the modern US military small arms arsenal. Weapons Cal. Range M9(pistol): 9mm 50 m M16/M4(Carbine): 5.56mm 550/500 meters (max effective point target) SAW(LMG): 5.56mm 800 meters 240B(LMG): 7.62x51mm 1,100 m M203: 40mm 350 meters MK19: 40mm 1,500 meters M2(HMG): .50 BMG 1,800 meters M134(Minigun): 7.62x51mm 1,000 meters Any US Sniper rifle: 7.62x51mm to .50 BMG 800meters to 1,829meters I have trained on all above weapons and applied them in OIF III & OIF IX except sniper rifles and the mini. The most impressive destruction is delivered by MG's and grenade launchers hands down. A well trained sniper can halt combat operations for hours possibly. AR's are effective especially when employed in numbers by a maneuverable force. Submachine guns were phased out by the advent of the carbine. Who wants a sub that fires a pistol cartridge when you can have a carbine roughly the same size? I guess what I'm getting at is that all you nerfer's need to chill out. Especially the HMG haters. You better be glad that the "heavies" in the future only shoot what appears to be raisinettes compared to its "little brother" the AR. Sub users just sit in the back of the class, keep your heads down and try not to get called on. FPS's gamers this is the truth. Deal with it. I know their just games but a little dose of common since here and there don't hurt. Just once I would like to see a game with accurate representations of weapon's calibers, ranges, etc. I mean I'm not asking anyone to eat apples and crap a fruit salad. Is this unreasonable?
Beuford T Justice Amarr Black Ops 2	Posted - 2013.03.01 05:25:00 - [2] - Quote We used shotguns as tools for breaching mainly. You know the shotties are probably the most accuratley represented weapons on the game.
Beuford T Justice Amarr Black Ops 7	Posted - 2013.03.01 06:13:00 - [3] - Quote Really I'm not saying "to nerf or not to nerf", I'm saying quit raising kane about it. I think most HMG's on the game max damage per shot is half that of the AR and less than a sub. Be glad. Let it go. You should be celebrating the HMG's handicap. I just think its funny it shoots what seems to be .22 rounds and it's a HMG. I think players do a pretty good balancing job on their own. I have two guys a heavy and an assualt medic. The medic is the easy one to play as. As the heavy, soon as I start opening up with my "squirrel gun" HMG I become a bullet magnet for anyone in the area. I'm fine with that. It's just like reality. Those stats I originally posted are 100% true. Whats not up there is the doctorine that states that upon contact with an MG, heavy or light, you can do two things. Break contact or destroy it. If you choose to destroy it, it becomes the primary target of your element. Sound familiar? Happens in dust every day without anyone even noticing. Besides the noobs who go "Rambo"!
Beuford T Justice Amarr Black Ops 10	Posted - 2013.03.01 06:42:00 - [4] - Quote JW v Weingarten wrote: Lolreallifestats, this is a GAME, not real life. CCP needs to stop letting us respawn, so unrealistic with the clones and stuff. Wait a second...... :O its a game so it does not need to be realistic. You know what I mean. I agree with you it's a game. I'm just trying to take a stand against nerf-o-facists.
Beuford T Justice Amarr Black Ops 10	Posted - 2013.03.01 07:16:00 - [5] - Quote Tiel Syysch wrote: If your justification for balance is "real life," I expect you to argue for lower, non-regenerating health and stripping of all futuristic items and concepts used in the game as well. At least be consistent. This is the reason I titled it FPS. I was trying to refer to all FPS's. It's not a slam on Dust. I want to be clear. I made the this post and used the real life examples as a base line. I was simply using it to make the point that the game is fine. I think the whole nerf thing is getting out of control. If the majority of players used subs and thought they were under powered should they get a tune up? If they thought AR's had too much range should they get nerfed? Think about it. Yes I would like to see a game with close to the same damage or at least same concept to the original as possible while being compettetive and fun. I think that......Whoa! You mean you don't own a laser rifle and have regenerating health!? Are you poor or something?
Beuford T Justice Amarr Black Ops 24	Posted - 2013.03.01 14:31:00 - [6] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: actually MP7 is widely used where space is a limiting factor, e.g. by tank crews. penetrates body armor like butter, 200m effective range, size of a pistol. now compare this to the SMG ingame. weakest dps, range of 15meter, horrible accuracy and due to this takes several seconds of concentrated fire to get through the armor of a heavy. specialist shotgun has minimal fitting requirements, why whould you ever use the SMG over of the specialist shotgun? Do not know where the MP7 is widley used. I think the Navy may use it for something. US tank crews are issued the carbine. MP is that HK? Maybe Germany? Rasatsu and Rei....You are killing me smalls. I don't know what the heck this has to do with what I'm saying at all?! So you a nerfer? I don't understand. Rei you're conveying this is not real life. Suprisingly I agree. Dust has a unique opprotunity to balance here. The economy and SP. Those can be employed to balance the game as well. If a weapon is heavy it should be more expensive. Not expensive and just a lil better than an AR. Thats the Point of heavy weapons right? Or are things so diffrent in the not RL future? Rasatsu, you had me read that for?? It says the weapons on this game would pwn any on a modern battlefield. Well I got news for you, BF3 weapons etc. would pwn these. This being said it's not the point I was trying to make either. I guess there's only a couple of folks who understand what I been trying to say. You others I'm not responding to anymore. The post was meant to make nerfers think about real life stats before they start crying nerf for the sake of "balance". You want true balance go play checkers with yourself.
Beuford T Justice Amarr Black Ops 29	Posted - 2013.03.01 17:02:00 - [7] - Quote [quote=Hagintora The OP makes a valid point. For the people crying "Nerf" for realism sake, read the OP again and realize why that's a bad idea. Reality is great jumping off point for games (well...the only jumping off point, really), but the balance of the game has to be consistant with the Lore and the "science" being utilized within the universe.[/quote] Ok, great post. That's half of what I'm saying. I think a lot of the confusion here is coming from the fact that I was OP about FPS and nerfers in general. I also said I would like to see a game that accuratley represented blah, blah. I should have elaborated more. I would like to see a game that stuck to its real life counterpart more and see how much hell everyone raised then. In regards to dust I was saying cut out the nerf wars. I was using real life as a base line to say that. If it gets too real there's gonna be issues, if everything gets nerfed there's gonna be issues. I know it's the future but the weapons represented are based on reality too an extent. If we dumb it down too much are we really doing anyone any favors? Notice not once did I mention energy based weaponry. I didn't realize I was gonna have fanboy's of diffrent weapon systems blowing their O-rings all over the forums. I like dust over many FPS's as it is, including COD. Bottom line quit crying nerf. Do research on what your raising hell about. Adapt and Overcome.
Beuford T Justice Amarr Black Ops 34	Posted - 2013.03.01 18:42:00 - [8] - Quote Hagintora wrote: Severus Smith wrote: Why does everyone want everything perfectly balanced. Balance is the opposite of chaos. And chaos is what New Eden was built on. I'd rather have crazy OP everything, where the battlefield is a chaotic mess than a perfectly balanced FPS. War isn't balanced. And this is a futuristic war game. Adapt and survive. Actually war is pretty balanced if you're talking about two standing armies facing off against each other. The chaos on the battlefield doesn't come from the weapons, it comes from how those weapons are used. It comes from the people, which is the only thing that a game can't balance out. Balance the weapons, give them to the players, and watch the chaos insue. . Somebody shoulda told the Aztecs that when Cortez landed...
Beuford T Justice Amarr Black Ops 34	Posted - 2013.03.01 18:58:00 - [9] - Quote Jotun Hiem wrote: Rasatsu wrote: Oh yes, when I said PLASMA BOLT contained by a MAGNETIC FIELD, it obviously implies a PLASMA BOLT is less devastating to FUTURE OMGWTFBBQ HIGH-TECH ARMOR than INERT MASS. Now, you might be right that your INERT LEAD/URANIUM bullets might fly further, however what good is it when they have the same impact as BB NERF GUN BULLETS? (Note; Use of capital words is in an effort to highlight the important parts of the above text for the slow readers, e.g. OP) Also we have yet to come across any example of inert mass projectiles, and until SMG and HMG get a devblog we won't know. Uhm... yes we will. We already do know. Minmatar weapons use modern bullets. They're the only race that still uses completely mechanical firearms. This is like, EvE lore 101 man. Actually, just look at the damn weapon descriptions in the market. They clearly tell you what type of ammo both the HMG and SMG use. And you're use of capitalization and over-the-top exaggeration only serves to make you look an idiot. Consider italics next time. And I bet he smells like POOP.
Beuford T Justice Amarr Black Ops 34	Posted - 2013.03.01 19:33:00 - [10] - Quote Hagintora wrote: Beuford T Justice wrote: Somebody shoulda told the Aztecs that when Cortez landed... I looked it up (see, research!). If it hadn't been for smallpox and famine, I don't think Cortez would've have made it out alive. LOL good deal! I think the Aztec king had something to do with it too. Something about a myth if memory serves...