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Syther Shadows CowTek 7	Posted - 2013.02.27 08:54:00 - [1] - Quote Hey guys you may have seen me in game or around the forums this is something i think Every one needs to know snipers ARE OP ! And yes i have tested it ive played them seen other people playing them and i Don't think the problem will be fixed until ccp removes Sniper rifles its so silly ! Honestly i saw my younger brother sniping he is what 14 ? One match it took him to get good at sniping i hope That this will make you think about what needs to be fixed in dust and that is all
Syther Shadows CowTek 7	Posted - 2013.02.27 08:54:00 - [2] - Quote and now we wait.
Mithridates VI New Eden Research Foundation 184	Posted - 2013.02.27 09:02:00 - [3] - Quote I agree. Please, if anyone can, name one weapon IRL which can accurately fire over 500 goddamn meters! No? Nothing. Exactly. Now imagine that same impossibility, but your arms are made of metal. It's ridiculous. Sniper rifles should be removed from play and people with skills in sniping have their experience automatically put into sensor upgrades so they can actually help their team.
Bald Crusader Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 35	Posted - 2013.02.27 09:04:00 - [4] - Quote Is this not a feedback / request thread and should it be moved to a more appropriate forum?
Syther Shadows CowTek 7	Posted - 2013.02.27 09:07:00 - [5] - Quote Bald Crusader wrote: Is this not a feedback / request thread and should it be moved to a more appropriate forum? this thread has neither feedback or requests only chocolate
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative 0	Posted - 2013.02.27 09:16:00 - [6] - Quote I dont get it.... HMG's are OP, AR's are OP, now snipers too? There is a limit to how many things are OP before they all are exactly the same in terms of effectiveness. So you got sniped out from across the map a few times, and maybe it was a one hit kill, and maybe it stopped your rampage of carnage.... Well thats fine its what snipers are meant to do. I dont quite understand what you expect CCP to do about snipers. Damage nerf? That would make snipers useless. Accuracy Nerf? Maybe but hit boxes are screwy enough without penalising them further.... Sniper Rifles do high damage in all games OHKing or two shotting everything and a good sniper will take you out every time. Trust me Im a guy who is a sniper magnet. Just remember this is a future where technology has advanced to such a degree that drop ships and orbital ballistic strikes are possible not to mention that the application of drop suits in modern warfare caused the need for firearms and weaponry to become exponentionally more potent. In this case Sniper Rounds would be designed to puncture shields and armour alike and remember that what is beneath that armour is still flesh and bone. Also most games support one hit sniper kills with unerring accuracy. Halo does it, CoD does it.
Bald Crusader Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 35	Posted - 2013.02.27 09:17:00 - [7] - Quote Syther Shadows wrote: Bald Crusader wrote: Is this not a feedback / request thread and should it be moved to a more appropriate forum? this thread has neither feedback or requests only chocolate The title does however and it should be moved for the sake of transparency and consistency.
Cathro Adalsteinn Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.02.27 09:17:00 - [8] - Quote Mithridates VI wrote: I agree. Please, if anyone can, name one weapon IRL which can accurately fire over 500 goddamn meters! No? Nothing. Exactly. Now imagine that same impossibility, but your arms are made of metal. It's ridiculous. Sniper rifles should be removed from play and people with skills in sniping have their experience automatically put into sensor upgrades so they can actually help their team. "The longest kill recorded in the Vietnam War was at a range well over a mile; a Marine Corps sniper armed with an M2 .50-caliber machinegun (they'll fire singles if you use one thumb on the trigger) made the shot. The longest confirmed recorded kill by a military sniper is 2430m (about 1.5 miles), set during Operation Anaconda (Afghanistan, 2002) by a Canadian soldier, Rob Furlong. The previous record was indeed set in Vietnam, 1962, by Carlos Hathcock at a distance of 4576m (about 2.6 miles)." Source: How Far Can A Sniper Rifle Shoot? - WikiAnswers I honestly don't see why sniping should be removed - I understand this is a game, but you're not going to have the opposing side in an actual war say, Quote:* Hey you guys! Take out your snipers, sheesh! They're too cheap and we can't get any of our guys anywhere thanks to your well trained and highly skilled snipers! I can see maybe reducing the attack power and nerfing some of the higher-power sniper rifles, but removing the weapons altogether is as absurd as saying shotguns should be removed from the game because of the ability to kill most players in one shot at point-blank range.
Herrick Arcos The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries 56	Posted - 2013.02.27 09:18:00 - [9] - Quote I cant help but agree with all these points and thereby conclude that the cake is both alive, and a lie. My argument is thus, 1. (A v B) GÇó (~Z GÇó B) 2. ~A 3. B GÇó ~Z \ X
Orenji Jiji Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2	Posted - 2013.02.27 09:20:00 - [10] - Quote Mithridates VI wrote: I agree. Please, if anyone can, name one weapon IRL which can accurately fire over 500 goddamn meters! M24. Effective range listed at 800m with 7.62+ù51mm round. With 8.58+ù70 mm it's 1500m. AK-74. Effective at 600m. Minigun. 1000m. We done?

Joey-Number1 Maniacal Miners INC The Omega Industries 32	Posted - 2013.02.27 09:30:00 - [11] - Quote This is sci-fi not our world in this age... there could be weapons that fires 10 kilometers straight especially railgun based technology....
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1915	Posted - 2013.02.27 09:33:00 - [12] - Quote Charge sniper rifles are far too good for level 2, that's for sure. I SUCK at sniping, yet I can easily get 10-20 kills in a match with my charge sniper. Or you shouldn't be able to hold the charge indefinitely, if you hold it too long it should expend the shot and overheat the gun for a little while.

CCP Eterne C C P C C P Alliance 768	Posted - 2013.02.27 09:37:00 - [13] - Quote I see what you did there.

Syther Shadows CowTek 7	Posted - 2013.02.27 09:38:00 - [14] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Charge sniper rifles are far too good for level 2, that's for sure. I SUCK at sniping, yet I can easily get 10-20 kills in a match with my charge sniper. Or you shouldn't be able to hold the charge indefinitely, if you hold it too long it should expend the shot and overheat the gun for a little while. even with changes to the gun its simple aiming at a target and keeping your cross hair on that players head even CODBLACKOPS players can do that (not that there bad but.....) if they don't fix sniping then ill just sit there all day long sniping racking up wp and over all taking from the community that has so much potential
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1916	Posted - 2013.02.27 09:41:00 - [15] - Quote When people get to comfy with their snipers, I crush them with my dropship
Syther Shadows CowTek 7	Posted - 2013.02.27 09:46:00 - [16] - Quote Herrick Arcos wrote: I can't help but agree with all these points and thereby conclude that the cake is both alive, and a lie. My argument is thus, 1. (A v B) GÇó (~Z GÇó B) 2. ~A 3. B GÇó ~Z \ X i agree with this 100X just to state this was just for fun i wanted to see how people reacted and i must say i am really happy this community be it still in open beta is a good one they respected my opinion they did not say i was wrong just for stating something that i personally think is basically ignorant and naive this game is based of skill not luck keep in mind any one who posts against me after this either thinks sniping needs to be Nerfed or removed or they saw my first comment and instantly rage reply'd wish i had more time to headshot
Tiluvo Digital Mercs 10	Posted - 2013.02.27 09:47:00 - [17] - Quote Yesterday I read that snipers are all useless and deserve to be suicide-bombed by their own teammates. Now they dominate the game and are OP? Wow, dust forumites, you really motivated those snipers to be helpful. Only 24 hours and they're winning games solo. Ooh, ooh, yell and threaten to blow me up next. I need some motivation to get enough SP for proto-logi.
Panther Alpha Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 46	Posted - 2013.02.27 09:49:00 - [18] - Quote You reference to "other" shooting games is irrelevant : http://www.geforce.com/Active/en_US/shared/images/guides/lag-guide/lag-5.jpg Most shooter games have bullet drop, recoil, and scope movement when aiming in any stance ( Prone ), most of them even have a "Hold you breath" button, to steady you aim for few seconds. Dust 514, have none of those.
Syther Shadows CowTek 7	Posted - 2013.02.27 09:53:00 - [19] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: You reference to "other" shooting games is irrelevant : http://www.geforce.com/Active/en_US/shared/images/guides/lag-guide/lag-5.jpg Most shooter games have bullet drop, recoil, and scope movement when aiming in any stance ( Prone ), most of them even have a "Hold you breath" button, to steady you aim for few seconds. Dust 514, have none of those. just chocolate goodness my friend nothing more but i don't think we need to talk about sniping in cod or bf2 >...< bf2 felt so smooth then i was playing it but the sniper was just to good at doing all round everything but capping points especially in hard core mode
Full Metal Kitten Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 154	Posted - 2013.02.27 11:16:00 - [20] - Quote Snipers are not OP. You will adapt.

Rei Shepard Spectre II 72	Posted - 2013.02.27 11:20:00 - [21] - Quote Mithridates VI wrote: I agree. Please, if anyone can, name one weapon IRL which can accurately fire over 500 goddamn meters! No? Nothing. Exactly. Now imagine that same impossibility, but your arms are made of metal. It's ridiculous. Sniper rifles should be removed from play and people with skills in sniping have their experience automatically put into sensor upgrades so they can actually help their team. Can you name all the battleships & cruisers we got lying around our planet ? No? Nothing. Exactly. Snipers are fine, if you go out in the open, have a plan where to walk instead of straight lining it somewhere and asking to be shot.
fred orpaul Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 214	Posted - 2013.02.27 11:24:00 - [22] - Quote yea um no. I HATE snipers but I would not have them removed. That said you are riught the sniping mechanic needs some work, travle time and bullet drop would be good place to start.
Vin Vicious Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2013.02.27 11:25:00 - [23] - Quote CCP Eterne wrote: I see what you did there. The funniest part? 2 pages and no one has noticed. i will admit i didnt notice it the first time though
Panther Alpha Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 46	Posted - 2013.02.27 11:28:00 - [24] - Quote Vin Vicious wrote: CCP Eterne wrote: I see what you did there. The funniest part? 2 pages and not a single person has noticed. i will admit i didnt notice it the first time though I notice, and i still think that is irrelevant , or stupid... pick one.
KalOfTheRathi CowTek 169	Posted - 2013.02.27 11:40:00 - [25] - Quote I don't agree. If, and that is a very big IF, CCP fixes the Hit Box Detection Bug then Snipers will start dropping like flies. I don't know if the problem is Can they fix it versus Will they fix it or When they might fix it. But, most players don't understand it. They just get into Rage and post on the Forums in cute QQ posts of their horrible experience with invincible Snipers with their flashing shields while receiving no damage. Anyone can get around it if they understand the problem. The Hit Box doesn't accurately match the 3D-model of the Sniper (or anyone else probably). Aim a little high and just half the pip to the left. Dead Sniper. It takes some practice but it pays off. The Hit Box is slightly off (to the left I believe) and can be worse if you are facing their side. Test it, practice it and watch their Deaths climb. When running with one or two of my regular Squads. They just go on a Sniper hunt, killing most if not all and chasing the rest away. If we recognize them from the Player List then Sniper Hunting is priority one. Hunt, Kill, watch +50 appear and nobody is around to save their clones including their pricy rifles. My weapon of choice is a Large Rail Gun. They stay out of sight after a series of rounds popping around them. Splash damage is great if I cannot actually pop them directly. And a LRG head shot is a wonderful thing to pull off. The biggest problem DUST has is Blues not getting into Squads if one considers not having a mic as normal New Berry behavior. Run a Squad, set commands, collect the commissions and drop and OB on the a group of Snipers. Good Times.
Soozu 5o1st 4	Posted - 2013.02.27 12:04:00 - [26] - Quote The answer to the sniper problem is having your own snipers hunt snipers. That way snipers have their own sniping sniper battles. Anyway, any squad / team who lacks a basic element or counter to that element will suffer at the hands of said element. Soozu
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 399	Posted - 2013.02.27 12:55:00 - [27] - Quote I'm pretty sure I killed you at Ar distance using a sniper yesterday
Kaeralli Sturmovos KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 117	Posted - 2013.02.27 13:02:00 - [28] - Quote snipers are not OP we just need more maps where there isnt an incentive to hide like cowards in unreachable safe zones on the map, would like to see some useable buildings and indoor maps or where the terrain isnt 100% bowl shaped so that snipers have the vantage point at all times.
The Dragon Ascendant Algintal Core Gallente Federation 102	Posted - 2013.02.27 13:35:00 - [29] - Quote Vin Vicious wrote: CCP Eterne wrote: I see what you did there. The funniest part? 2 pages and no one has noticed. i will admit i didnt notice it the first time though Aw man, I was about ready to come into this thread and laugh at this guy for such a stupid suggestion, but now I see what he's done and I realise it's just a massive troll. Such a shame, I had the perfect response lined up and everything.
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 317	Posted - 2013.02.27 14:14:00 - [30] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Charge sniper rifles are far too good for level 2, that's for sure. I SUCK at sniping, yet I can easily get 10-20 kills in a match with my charge sniper. Or you shouldn't be able to hold the charge indefinitely, if you hold it too long it should expend the shot and overheat the gun for a little while. I sorta agree with this only a little stronger. I think 1 of 2 things need to be done to the sniper rifle. #1 Give bullets travel time so you have to lead the target appropriately for speed and distance (IE no hit scan mechanic for sniper rifles). #2 If you dont want to do #1 or if #1 is too difficult to pull off then change all sniper rifles to charged sniper rifles that CANNOT hold a charge period. IE in order to hit someone you have to start the charge such that when the charge is done and the gun it fired the crosshairs were on your target or you have to keep your crosshairs on your target for the length of the charge either of these would gain you a hit on that enemy based on this mechanic. By not being able to hold a charge you essentially give the sniper rifles something similar to bullet travel. I dont know how fast the charge is right now but you can even make the charge pretty fast as long as its not instantaneous it would force snipers to show some level of skill as my militia sniper with no skills at all is crazy powerful since I can crouch and get 0 sway after half a second.

Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 218	Posted - 2013.02.27 15:10:00 - [31] - Quote Mithridates VI wrote: I agree. Please, if anyone can, name one weapon IRL which can accurately fire over 500 goddamn meters! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_recorded_sniper_kills Argument OVER. Done. Learn to countersnipe instead of QQing.
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation 172	Posted - 2013.02.27 15:32:00 - [32] - Quote Lol. It's another one of these threads. Yeah guys snipers are OP. dem darn snipers. Snipers no sniping! No but seriously if we're gonna change something, we're gonna change the way sniper rifle works. It's funny how snipers are feared in the game when most of them aren't as competent as you say.
Panther Alpha Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 46	Posted - 2013.02.27 15:42:00 - [33] - Quote Vaerana Myshtana wrote: Mithridates VI wrote: I agree. Please, if anyone can, name one weapon IRL which can accurately fire over 500 goddamn meters! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_recorded_sniper_kills Argument OVER. Done. Learn to countersnipe instead of QQing. Also sniping should be an Art, that is hard to master. "Wind-speed, crowd population, angle, degree of obstruction, number of obstacles between yourself and the target, noise levels, range, elevation distance, rain, heat, and how to adjust any of these variables should the target be moving." So I guess EvE planets don't have any of that factors huh?
lDocHollidayl Imperfects Negative-Feedback 171	Posted - 2013.02.27 15:48:00 - [34] - Quote Many threads many times I typed...game could really use effective smoke grenades....sniper can not see me now.
Fox Gaden DUST University Ivy League 169	Posted - 2013.02.27 16:15:00 - [35] - Quote Mithridates VI wrote: I agree. Please, if anyone can, name one weapon IRL which can accurately fire over 500 goddamn meters! No? Nothing. Exactly. Now imagine that same impossibility, but your arms are made of metal. It's ridiculous. Sniper rifles should be removed from play and people with skills in sniping have their experience automatically put into sensor upgrades so they can actually help their team. To answer your question: L115A2 Long Range Rifle, McMillan Tac-50, Barrett M82A1, M2 Browning machine gun. All of these have gotten kills at over 2Km, so I am guessing they would be fairly accurate at one quarter of that distance. According to Wikipedia a trained sniper can make a kill at 1250m. The record, held by a Brit, seems to be 2474m. The sniper riffles in EVE are railguns and the slug is propelled at a much greater rate of speed than current sniper riffles in real life, so DUST sniper riffles have a much greater range. At 500m there would be no perceptible change in trajectory. You would probably have to account for wind and gravity a lot more at 2Km, but since the maps are not that big there is no point in programming this.
Cosorvin DUST University Ivy League 45	Posted - 2013.02.27 16:46:00 - [36] - Quote Syther Shadows wrote: Hey guys you may have seen me in game or around the forums this is something i think Every one needs to know snipers ARE OP ! And yes i have tested it ive played them seen other people playing them and i Don't think the problem will be fixed until ccp removes Sniper rifles its so silly ! Honestly i saw my younger brother sniping he is what 14 ? One match it took him to get good at sniping i hope That this will make you think about what needs to be fixed in dust and that is all What is up with the nerf eye seriously! Is this going to become a vicious cycle? Theirs nothing wrong with the snipers move the nerf eye to something else now. nuff said.
Cosorvin DUST University Ivy League 45	Posted - 2013.02.27 16:49:00 - [37] - Quote Quote: I dont get it.... HMG's are OP, AR's are OP, now snipers too? Its because theirs always something a person cannot counter or like and when that happens its automatically op go figure.
Fornacis Fairchild Kat 5 Kaos 26	Posted - 2013.02.27 16:58:00 - [38] - Quote I wish I could agree with you but I can't hit a damn thing with a sniper rifile, but give me an AR and a SMG and I make face omelets.
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 438	Posted - 2013.02.27 17:13:00 - [39] - Quote 1rst just clearing up that i've never seen you in game or on forums.. 2nd your a moron from the sound of your OP 3rd i would tell you to GTFO and go play another FPS but there is no FPS for you to play where you won't cry so go play WOW 4rth I'm a masshole not a sniper.
Kamiya Musume Suffer Inc. 63	Posted - 2013.02.27 17:26:00 - [40] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: Vaerana Myshtana wrote: Mithridates VI wrote: I agree. Please, if anyone can, name one weapon IRL which can accurately fire over 500 goddamn meters! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_recorded_sniper_kills Argument OVER. Done. Learn to countersnipe instead of QQing. Also sniping should be an Art, that is hard to master. "Wind-speed, crowd population, angle, degree of obstruction, number of obstacles between yourself and the target, noise levels, range, elevation distance, rain, heat, and how to adjust any of these variables should the target be moving." So I guess EvE planets don't have any of that factors huh? dust and smoke, RDVs, flying LAVs attempting to squish us, low detail terrain at long range, poor scopes, unpredictable movement (from the vets anyway), occasional lag, counter snipers, nova knife ninjas, forge gunners, butthurt targets, butthurt tk'ing blueberries, precision stirkes and orbital bombardments.... no, you're right, sniping in Dust is way too easy, absolutely no variables to take into account at all... sheesh!

Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 669	Posted - 2013.02.27 17:35:00 - [41] - Quote Sniping, like every class in the game has a role to play, the problem is all the maps currently in the beta is surrounded by mountains over looking objectives. So people who play the objectives get punish while mountain goats get free kills. Please more map variation, and not put everything in a fish bowl. Edit: the maps not surrounded by mountains has building that can only be reached by dropship and dropping an Orbital Strike on them doesn't work...so yeah.
Fornacis Fairchild Kat 5 Kaos 26	Posted - 2013.02.27 17:40:00 - [42] - Quote Cool Sniper story.... Two nights ago for whatever reason me and my pal decided to play Skirmish. ( I know right...the AFK game) First of all our tanker named "Asshate" likes to park his tank on a mountain by our MMC and AFK SP leech.....anywho. There was one sniper that we couldn't find.....turns out he was sitting beside our tank. Good times huh? Anywho....the point in my other post above is...just because someone is good at one thing doesn't mean that everyone is. This game has something for everyone....and maybe...just maybe the Snipers that are killing your face have skills. Hard to believe huh?
Utsuru Kaiju IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 8	Posted - 2013.02.27 18:40:00 - [43] - Quote Syther Shadows wrote: Hey guys you may have seen me in game or around the forums this is something i think Every one needs to know snipers ARE OP ! And yes i have tested it ive played them seen other people playing them and i Don't think the problem will be fixed until ccp removes Sniper rifles its so silly ! Honestly i saw my younger brother sniping he is what 14 ? One match it took him to get good at sniping i hope That this will make you think about what needs to be fixed in dust and that is all Sniper rifles are not OP, just some of the skilled users are. Should HMG's be removed because someone is proficient with them? Remove the scrambler pistol because that's what someone's good at? Get rid of LAV's because someone is a good driver? See what I'm saying? And what does your younger brother being 14 have to do with anything? You can get a job and drive a car at 14. I don't get it.
Uber Prime Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.02.27 19:19:00 - [44] - Quote My thoughts on some of the ideas about Sniper OP'ness and balancing changes. Sniper Rifles in Dust are Railgun technology. Although the description can be interpreted two ways regarding projectile velocity (muzzle velocity vs impact velocity, specifically the sentence 'putting an inert round downrange ')we know the minimum value is 2500 m/s. Assuming an average flight velocity of 2500 m/s and a target at the maximum effective range of 598m, gravity drop is .2805m and travel time is 250 milliseconds. I'd like to point out that is pretty normal latency however I'm not sure where and what hit detection is based on in Dust. Assuming the minimum here, you've just gone from a head shot to a chest shot. We also know nothing about scope technology in Dust. Looks fancy enough that the sight could actively adjust the 'dot' to compensate for environmental accelerations. So this shouldn't really be an issue. When you're not crouched and you scope in there is an impairing sway. There is initial sway, if I'm not imagining it, when you're crouched but it doesn't persist. It's not easy to hit moving objects, it does take a degree of skill, an added sway here would make sniping an entire magnitude more difficult. It'd render the class almost unplayable.
Kamiya Musume Suffer Inc. 65	Posted - 2013.02.27 19:24:00 - [45] - Quote 14 year olds have the reaction times of weasels on pcp. I expect someone half my age to outgun me 1v1 cqc. I'd expect a 14 yo to be fairly competent in terms of gun game within the space of a few matches, gun game is all about reaction times and precision, neither of which us Vets have in spades, we excel at teamwork, logic and forward planning.
Breakin Stuff Immobile Infantry 698	Posted - 2013.02.27 19:40:00 - [46] - Quote [quote=Mithridates VI]I agree. Please, if anyone can, name one weapon IRL which can accurately fire over 500 goddamn meters! M-240G .30 caliber machinegun M-249 SAW Barrett SASR (the .50 cal sniper rifle) M-40 Sniper rifle (marine corps .30 caliber sniper rifle) M-2 Heavy Machinegun (Ma Deuce, .50 caliber which has been in active service since before WWII) M-16A2 Service Rifle (on iron sights, barely qualifies) Mk-19 machinegun (this is a fully automatic grenade launcher, You're welcome!) and these are pretty much off the top of my head entries that i have actually fired during military service! Hint: Marines shoot on a 500 meter range for basic rifle qualification. And by the way: the OP was trolling. 10/10
Mithridates VI New Eden Research Foundation 188	Posted - 2013.02.27 20:15:00 - [47] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: [quote=Mithridates VI]I agree. Please, if anyone can, name one weapon IRL which can accurately fire over 500 goddamn meters! M-240G .30 caliber machinegun M-249 SAW Barrett SASR (the .50 cal sniper rifle) M-40 Sniper rifle (marine corps .30 caliber sniper rifle) M-2 Heavy Machinegun (Ma Deuce, .50 caliber which has been in active service since before WWII) M-16A2 Service Rifle (on iron sights, barely qualifies) Mk-19 machinegun (this is a fully automatic grenade launcher, You're welcome!) and these are pretty much off the top of my head entries that i have actually fired during military service! Hint: Marines shoot on a 500 meter range for basic rifle qualification. And by the way: the OP was trolling. 10/10 It seems to be clear enough now that y'all posting in a troll thread. I wasn't sure OP had enough rage inducing material to get the thread going, so I made some clearly ridiculous criticisms to see how many people would list weapons which fire over the (pretty short) 500m mark. Then the rambling about metal hands? Suggesting that CCP arbitrarily reassign players skill points into a non-combat skill? Sweet merciful kitten, I was expecting to be called on that a couple of posts into the thread.
skittlez12345678 World Wide Killers 1	Posted - 2013.02.27 21:12:00 - [48] - Quote Sniper's are an important part of any battle/war in tacticality. They sit back and watch your back and pick people off so you don't get swarmed or flanked, if they make you so angry than get someone in your squad who is a sniper and him be your eyes, let him tell you there is a guy to the right behind the container you are approaching... then bam you have the jump on him. Sniper rifles are very powerful weapons meant to shoot long range even in current time, sniping isn't easy it takes a lot of practice. I've tried sniping multiple times and I still suck the fat one, if you have a problem do what I do go hunting and quit complaining. Anyone who thinks snipers should not exist should quit playing shooting games period.
Herrick Arcos The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries 59	Posted - 2013.02.27 22:34:00 - [49] - Quote All your arguments are belong to us. The living cake liar shall rule you all. Bow down before its sugary majesty and relinquish your freedom for you are beholden to true and unrelenting power!
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 916	Posted - 2013.02.27 23:00:00 - [50] - Quote Mithridates VI wrote: I agree. Please, if anyone can, name one weapon IRL which can accurately fire over 500 goddamn meters! No? Nothing. Exactly. Now imagine that same impossibility, but your arms are made of metal. It's ridiculous. Sniper rifles should be removed from play and people with skills in sniping have their experience automatically put into sensor upgrades so they can actually help their team. Ahem - there was a sniper kill from 760 meters in the Civil War. Please check your facts.

Prophet ISF Independent Special Forces 7	Posted - 2013.02.28 00:27:00 - [51] - Quote I totally disagree. Though I never snipe, and never plan to snipe either (happy with my assault/medic classes), I don't think it should be removed. If the snipers are in horrible positions, such as a tall buildings where your rifle can't reach, change to sniper yourself! Fight fire with fire! Or even just ask your team mates to if they're using mics. On one game I played yesterday, it was an atrocious game. My team acted like a bunch of lemmings... running straight through the middle, getting picked off by snipers on all sides. So this is where you would say "SNIPING IS OP" - why? Because you're probably not thinking strategically enough - of course you're bound to get killed by snipers while playing Dust, but you can avoid a lot of death if you just THINK while playing, instead of playing MINDLESSLY, which is the majority of cases, is often. Anyway, while my lemming team was getting obliterated, I took into account that the snipers were distracted... so what did I do? I flanked them, flanked them enough to melee the sh*t out of them. After they were taken out, my lemming team started surviving a little longer on the right sides of the battlefield... only then to be mowed down by heavies. Due to lack of back up as well, I managed to survive about a minute against 5 people with heavies and mass drivers. Then we lost. Sniping should not be removed, if they are 'camping' and beating you, then they're obviously getting the best of you, so what do you do? You plan. Who cares if it's gonna take an extra 2 - 3 minutes to run around on the far left? It'll save you and your team a lot of deaths and maybe make you realise that it's you who is OP.
Selinate deux Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 44	Posted - 2013.02.28 00:38:00 - [52] - Quote Syther Shadows wrote: Hey guys you may have seen me in game or around the forums this is something i think Every one needs to know snipers ARE OP ! And yes i have tested it ive played them seen other people playing them and i Don't think the problem will be fixed until ccp removes Sniper rifles its so silly ! Honestly i saw my younger brother sniping he is what 14 ? One match it took him to get good at sniping i hope That this will make you think about what needs to be fixed in dust and that is all Ahem Lots of people just got trolled so hard in this thread. Can't believe this made it to 3 pages. Try reading again.
comander iain Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.02.28 01:11:00 - [53] - Quote newb but don't flame. imo snipers should have a tracer ( all other guns do) and they should have to consider travel time of the bullet. its my 4th day so you all will have a better insight than me, but ill share with you my limited experience. on the city based maps they don't seem that unbalanced and do have their place in the support role, but on the open plains they are really are to strong and affectively leave there with no other type of gun to be used. ok i may be a newb so getting 1 shot is more of a problem for me than most but ill go through how i started to use a weapon i did not want to play. i found myself being farmed on the same map time after time trying to get to the ABC, the enemy was a vast distance to myself and i had no idea where i was being killed from. beyond that it seemed as if it was one shot one kill and no matter how much i weeved, sprinted and jumped it was 1 shot 1 kill so i was raging. anyway not being one to rage quit i thought if you can't beat them join them, so i got the starter assault sniper fit on and tried my luck. Ok sniping vs snipers for my first go i learned alot. if your spawn point ( only 1 availible as we were being pawned) is covered by them you will die soon not far from where you spawn, which makes the rest of the battle pretty pointless. aiming while standing is not great but not awful. you can see them so you can fight back, whoot. after a few more battles i also found out that, when you fire the enemy does not realise unless you hit them, all those times i died it was not because only supper leet players are snipers that have a 1 shot 1 kill ratio. i could be reasonable close fire off my clips reload and repeat and if i missesd every shot they would be none the wiser, which seemed a little silly. on the flip side when i did hit most of the time they would still have no idea where i was. tbh a snipers only fear is another sniper providing they have a reasonalbe range difference from the rest, as atm they are almost invisible and don't have much need to move which is the biggest flaw with the type. sniping should be either about supporting fire where your not primary as all the big guns infront of you are taking the flak ( i.e. city battles) or shoot and move as it is ment to be on the open spaces maps . the problem is that there is little reason to move if you have a nice spot where its hard for the enemy snipers to see you and your far away enough not give away your position to the grunts on the open spaces maps. which makes it not very skillfull atall unless your talking about miss ratio while doing your farming. to the next point, although at range its not simple to hit a running jumping merc, its still considering the risk vs reward aspect of sniping too easy. IRL bullets have travel time and it should be the same in the game. if someone is sitting still or running straight at you you will still have a good kill rate, if they are running from left to right you should have to consider how far ahead you need to aim infront of them which takes real skill and should reduice the kill rate of mercs covering open ground wisely. Bring in these 2 measures and its job done
James Thraxton The Exemplars 82	Posted - 2013.02.28 01:50:00 - [54] - Quote just add Coriolis effect
Mithridates VI New Eden Research Foundation 196	Posted - 2013.02.28 01:55:00 - [55] - Quote This thread is an absolutely thing of beauty. Really, everyone? Isn't it totally Obvious what's happened here? Like, how did the thread get this far? CPP Eterne figured it on on Literally the first page of the thread. Is Everyone just that willing to get into a Discussion about something totally ridiculous?
Chipmunk Coulter FATAL Warfare Planet 0	Posted - 2013.02.28 02:39:00 - [56] - Quote Mithridates VI wrote: I agree. Please, if anyone can, name one weapon IRL which can accurately fire over 500 goddamn meters! No? Nothing. Exactly. Now imagine that same impossibility, but your arms are made of metal. It's ridiculous. Sniper rifles should be removed from play and people with skills in sniping have their experience automatically put into sensor upgrades so they can actually help their team. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_carbine#Performance "Effective range500 m for a point target and 600 m for an area target[3]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M40_rifle Effective range900 m (1000 yd)
Mithridates VI New Eden Research Foundation 197	Posted - 2013.02.28 03:19:00 - [57] - Quote Chipmunk Coulter wrote: Mithridates VI wrote: I agree. Please, if anyone can, name one weapon IRL which can accurately fire over 500 goddamn meters! No? Nothing. Exactly. Now imagine that same impossibility, but your arms are made of metal. It's ridiculous. Sniper rifles should be removed from play and people with skills in sniping have their experience automatically put into sensor upgrades so they can actually help their team. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_carbine#Performance "Effective range500 m for a point target and 600 m for an area target[3]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M40_rifle Effective range900 m (1000 yd) Fine, back to what we were doing before logic interrupted. Yeah, but try using those guns while wearing metal gloves!
Syther Shadows CowTek 10	Posted - 2013.02.28 05:36:00 - [58] - Quote Selinate deux wrote: Syther Shadows wrote: Hey guys you may have seen me in game or around the forums this is something i think Every one needs to know snipers ARE OP ! And yes i have tested it ive played them seen other people playing them and i Don't think the problem will be fixed until ccp removes Sniper rifles its so silly ! Honestly i saw my younger brother sniping he is what 14 ? One match it took him to get good at sniping i hope That this will make you think about what needs to be fixed in dust and that is all Ahem Lots of people just got trolled so hard in this thread. Can't believe this made it to 3 pages. Try reading again. I WAKE UP 3 FRIKEN PAGES HAHAHAHAHA oh god this worked out so much better than i had planned for people who don't know go back to page one and scroll down i post and literally say I don't think they should be removed and i just wanted to see how people would react but i think its safe to say people like there snipers and they are willing to point that out
Gunner Nightingale Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 245	Posted - 2013.02.28 07:50:00 - [59] - Quote Awesome troll, really noone caught it.
Mithridates VI New Eden Research Foundation 199	Posted - 2013.02.28 08:05:00 - [60] - Quote You wait, even after you acknowledge it's a troll, people will keep responding to the first page.

Kamiya Musume Suffer Inc. 70	Posted - 2013.02.28 08:36:00 - [61] - Quote what do you mean "it's a troll thread"? Every topic on this forum is a troll thread... I'm off to go play Daikatana...
Dregan808 Sintori Imperial Dragoon Syndicate 4	Posted - 2013.02.28 08:42:00 - [62] - Quote If your going to compare this game to other fps games don't forget that COD and Halo are just a hand full and no most don't have bullet drop. Snipers are no more OP than anything else you team or squad isn't running. Everyone started slamming them so less people played them so the people that are aren't getting killed by others as much. If you have a well rounded team there is little to nothing I've seen that is OPed. Except the MCC. That thing is OP.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1	Posted - 2013.02.28 10:03:00 - [63] - Quote thumbs down
Syther Shadows CowTek 13	Posted - 2013.02.28 10:07:00 - [64] - Quote low genius wrote: thumbs down oh god not the THUMBS DOWN T_T
Templis Offline Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 5	Posted - 2013.02.28 10:49:00 - [65] - Quote Personally its the sniping mechanics thats broke, nothing about sniping is bad its just that currently there is no actual skill involved in the act. you just line up no matter where they are on map and pull trigger, have enough damage mods and a good rifle and its insta kill. what is OP atm is the Thale. its just a insta slaughter machine and you cant do anything about, i've had it several times where they sit on the huge mountain behing B in a heavy suit with a logi up there going 50-60/0. we've tried countersniping but once you get a shot off they find you and pop u. The mechanics need bullet drop adding, sure its a railgun but thats no excuse to be lazy, the planets have gravity so things move towards the ground and atm its making games exteremely dull and boring when 90% of both teams are just in hills sniping because its easy kills. More skill to hit the long shots, better collision similar to scrambler pistol so the damage is applied for head shots not anywhere on body. Sniping doesnt' need removing, just fixing to require a bit of skill to one pop someone from 3km away
fred orpaul Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 218	Posted - 2013.02.28 10:49:00 - [66] - Quote Mithridates VI wrote: I agree. Please, if anyone can, name one weapon IRL which can accurately fire over 500 goddamn meters! No? Nothing. Exactly. Now imagine that same impossibility, but your arms are made of metal. It's ridiculous. Sniper rifles should be removed from play and people with skills in sniping have their experience automatically put into sensor upgrades so they can actually help their team. I agree we should nerf needles too I mean can anyone name IRL one needle that can instantly heal some one and repair body armor?
Mithridates VI Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 199	Posted - 2013.02.28 11:04:00 - [67] - Quote Syther Shadows wrote: low genius wrote: thumbs down oh god not the THUMBS DOWN T_T This thread will never die. What have you created?
Toxxikcity Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 2	Posted - 2013.02.28 11:29:00 - [68] - Quote Check any modern sniper rifle stats, most will be accurate up to 1500m, a few to 2500m, so 500m is nothing nowadays. If the sniping you are receiving is that bad then counter snipe, simple.
Herrick Arcos The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries 63	Posted - 2013.02.28 11:50:00 - [69] - Quote Its ALIVE, this creature of beauty, destruction and ecstasy is really truly ALIVE! Let it be known to all that oppose... You shall fall beneath the might of this unrelenting demigod! May the lord cheese maker have mercy on your souls.
woess Kanalanal 23	Posted - 2013.02.28 12:43:00 - [70] - Quote snipers are ok... but there is not enouth cover on some maps.... we need just more cover... like in the closed beta map around may... the maps we have right now don't have enouth cover.. so it's to easy for snipers to get kills

WR3CK HAVOC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 12	Posted - 2013.02.28 12:52:00 - [71] - Quote When all the snipers are finally at the level when they have THales the game will be ruined. I dont really care for snipers and i dont see the thrill of sitting in a safe spot spamming shots at people that cant hit you. Snipers do tent to ruin the gameplay in skirmish when there are more than one. THere isnt a balance in offense vs defense. THe thales damage needs to be lowered so it does not one hit kill so many suit layouts.
Kray Dytt THE DOLLARS 10	Posted - 2013.02.28 13:00:00 - [72] - Quote I was about to agree with this post, but then I took a sniperbullet to the knee.. Go figure.
Soozu 5o1st 4	Posted - 2013.02.28 22:26:00 - [73] - Quote Gunner Nightingale wrote: Awesome troll, really noone caught it. Funny, I thought just about everybody caught it but chose to ignore it for the sake of others feeling special when they too notice. It does highlight the link as a serious clue though. Complaining about snipers seems standard here in DUST to the point a sniper is obligated to reply... even to the sniper troll trolling sniper whiners.
Soozu 5o1st 4	Posted - 2013.02.28 22:46:00 - [74] - Quote WR3CK HAVOC wrote: When all the snipers are finally at the level when they have THales the game will be ruined. I dont really care for snipers and i dont see the thrill of sitting in a safe spot spamming shots at people that cant hit you. Snipers do tent to ruin the gameplay in skirmish when there are more than one. THere isnt a balance in offense vs defense. THe thales damage needs to be lowered so it does not one hit kill so many suit layouts. Ruin the game...pffft. A sniper could say the exact same thing about tanks. In fact anyone who can't take out one particular type of enemy unit can say that and be just as wrong. You really don't realize that there is no safe spot for a sniper??? If he can hit someone, a enemy sniper can reply in kind.... and they do. And that goes for the redzone too. I can't count how many times I've spawned in the redzone only to have a bullet whiz past my head and I'm forced to setup back there and SNIPER BATTLE it out.... or perhaps you're kidding. When there are good snipers on either side there are two very different battles going on out there. I'm happy with just a few kills in a match if they were on good enemy snipers who I've been hunting for and who otherwise would have wrecked my team. In fact, there are even sniper rifles geared towards killing other snipers.... Tactical. But I digress, I'm sure you're kidding. Soozu
Delanus Turgias Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 63	Posted - 2013.02.28 23:16:00 - [75] - Quote Vaerana Myshtana wrote: Mithridates VI wrote: I agree. Please, if anyone can, name one weapon IRL which can accurately fire over 500 goddamn meters! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_recorded_sniper_kills Argument OVER. Done. Learn to countersnipe instead of QQing. I think the point is that snipers in Dust are way too consistent. In real life, you'd get off maybe one accurate shot without a bipod in place, let alone 3 in the exact same spot within seconds of one another, even with a bipod. Snipers in Dust are unrealistic. Simple as that. You can cry "scy-fie teknolojies" all you want, but the fact that Mercs can hold what is probably a 20 pound gun perfectly still, even when firing slugs that could punch a hole in any modern day tank armor, is straight up BS. Snipers need to get always-on sway in the scope, so that the Sniper Operation skill actually has some use other than unlocking Ishukones.
Ghesh Tkall DUST University Ivy League 1	Posted - 2013.03.01 00:03:00 - [76] - Quote Delanus Turgias wrote: Snipers in Dust are unrealistic. Simple as that. You can cry "scy-fie teknolojies" all you want, but the fact that Mercs can hold what is probably a 20 pound gun perfectly still, even when firing slugs that could punch a hole in any modern day tank armor, is straight up BS. Does this mean that you think all movies nowadays is BS, as is most fiction books and video games? I'll bet you play CAWADOOTY for it's realism...
Jerall Holst Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 18	Posted - 2013.03.07 11:36:00 - [77] - Quote For my part, I've never seen a team that had more than three snipers on it actually win a match.


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