Why are you always complaining about your incompetence with HAVs?

Stack Hardeners and you can become invisible.

Because of constant QQ

My only problem are with AV is the Swarm missiles.
That problem can be solved with a simple counter measure against the missile itself or locking on.
This would solve that problem.

So you are hoping your constant QQing will fix them?

They have a counter already, it's called going round a corner

Its called, they follow you around the corner.

Tanks are more balanced than they've ever been. Steamrolling pub matches until someone decides to put a stop to it, switches to av and they run off. Just count yourselfs lucky that tanks don't have the same effect as my dropship, 30 seconds and the entire teams switched to AV. I use it as my main tactic in giving the team the advantage. The enemy team isn't half as effective whilst they're all running round with militia swarms

Its called, they follow you around the corner.

Allow tanks 80gj turrets to look down lower
have some type of collision damage to enemy infantry who even grace moving tank treads
^^^
THIS PLEASE

Naa only if your close enough to the shooter. The missiles are dumb and fire straight into anything that gets into the LOS

Nothing is wrong, they just need to have ammo. Laser weapons are suppose to be ammoless not large turrets. What if eve online worked that way.

Battleships and capitals don't use ammo, pppssffttt. Missle tanks should have ammo, then they would be balanced, and couold kill agian. We have ananohives, it'll be a little harder, require more teamwork.

This is how it should be.

However 1 skilled AV dedicated player can do this by himself.

Gotta say, it depends on the tank. Some tanks I can melt without reloading. Decent tanks I can't do squat to. Using proto swarms 6x 300 dmg, so obv raw damage is like 2k including skills. But given that you have a base resist especially on sheild, your passive recharge and your boosters. A well tanked sheild tank laughs me off even when I'm lobbing av's at it.

Once again you haven't driven a tank lol.

The way it works is close to the shooter they're dumb fire basically. Go straight.

When they're within aaah 100 meters or less of the tank, they auto seek.

Within 20 meters they auto turn corners.

Yep which is why in OP I specially stated the shield vs swarm thing.

You shouldn't be using swarms on shield.

You should have a forge gun for that, that is the shields counter.

Right now swarms can do some decent stuff to shield tanks, shield tanks highest resistance is kinetic, which missiles do.

Armor tanks lowest resist is explosive and kinetic, swarms were buffed to deal with shield tanks, truly making them OP excuse the word, towards armor.

Obviously you've never played with swarms :-)

Also I had suyra before the wipe, and was pretty leet with it. Reason I quit tanks is there was no fun in stomping over and over again. Only fun I used to have was chasing round other tanks. My dual large reppers on my madruger just tanked damage, reminded me of my hyperion, shame you can't fit cap boosters!! Or have cap for that matter :-p

You might be right, but still if your well tanked either you have a 8k or more buffer, not including resistances. Or you have awesome resistances and reppers. Either way, your not getting solo'd

There's a few issues with tanks I'd like to have a chat about.


Currently skilled AV can do terrible things to our tanks that will make us corner cry and hide behind the redline or simply die.

It takes only 1 mind you, and AV isn't a hard thing to skill into, the SP requirements are very low compared to tanks.

What I'd like to see is tanks have a double hp buff.

I think it would solve a lot of issues currently,

Some AV things need looked at. AV grenades for 1, we don't even know how much damage they do, but its a lot.

I'd also like to see missile launchers be fixed. At this point they're wasting space in game.

Rails need around a 2.0 meter splash increase.

Shield tanks need collision corrected, you hit one with an LAV or armor tank, and it blows up. Hell you hit a wall and they blow up.

Swarm launchers need either a range reduction or damage decrease. Yes yes people will say they do nothing, that's because your shooting a shield tank, they're made to resist missiles. Armor, not at all. Proto is ridiculous, even advanced your looking at
300 damage per missile times 6 missiles times 4 in a clip.

When one hits you, the others are in the air, combined with range and peek a boo tactics, good luck.

Forge guns are fine. They do exactly what they should.

Shield tanks def need either hp buff or for their hardners to run longer with a shorter cool down.

The keyboard and joystick need to be on equal grounds, the joystick should equal the keyboard.

The mouse needs to be fixed for tank turrets, its terribly bad.

The Surya and Sagaris need to have a better role definition, add siege mode to them, or give them appropriate slots to set them apapart from standard tanks, give Surya 1 more low and Sagaris 1 more high.

Any other thoughts ideas, disagreements are welcome.

I'd like to see what people say and see if we can come to an agreement.

The player base is 90% AR 1% AV 9% assortment.

So please don't just give some wack answer because you drove a militia tank this one time, or use your starter fits.

I'm looking for comments from skilled AV players and tank drivers alike to see where we went wrong in closed beta on balancing these things.

Thanks for the hate in advance!

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1. Double HP? lolno , a bigger buff to marauders yes but not double HP thats dumb

2. AV nades dmg is fine, the range u can toss those things at needs reducing

3. Decrease Missile dmg a bit so they wont 1 shot armor tanks like before, increase splash radius , make em shoot straighter, problem solved

4. Rails are fine as is

5. Collision dmg in general needs to be fixed, cant be hittin small bumps and losing a bunch of shields an ****

6. Swarms need a drastic range reduction or have to maintain a lockon to reach that far. This would diminish the bs, lockon behind cover peek a boo bs along with firing swarms all the ******* way from deployment to ******* C on the construction map.

7. FGs fine. agreed.

8. Shield Hardeners buffed to 15-20 secs, cooldown is fine. Shield tanks arent meant to sit in a hotzone sponging too much dmg.

9. Agreed on kb/m being faster than controller bs needs to be fixed

10. Never played with mouse but here the turrets move slow with it.

11. Marauders need seige modules ASAP to set it apart from standard tanks. Atm its just a beefed up standard tank but not by that much.


Also side note, there is also alot of bs that gives bonus dmg to armor tanks but atm no shield specific infantry AV weapon (no the plasma launcher is not shield oriented its a Hybrid weapon so equal dmg)

I dont know how good LRs are at AV vs proper fitted tanks but i doubt it could be that useful

You said discussion, I'm discussing :-)

I don't see any armour tanks if I'm honest. But don't see how swarms that do 1800 dmg can take out 7k armour at 50% res in 2 shots. If they do, then your right, it needs to change. Not because its OP, because its buggy. It mathematically makes 0 sense