They have a counter already, it's called going round a corner

Tanks are more balanced than they've ever been. Steamrolling pub matches until someone decides to put a stop to it, switches to av and they run off. Just count yourselfs lucky that tanks don't have the same effect as my dropship, 30 seconds and the entire teams switched to AV. I use it as my main tactic in giving the team the advantage. The enemy team isn't half as effective whilst they're all running round with militia swarms

Naa only if your close enough to the shooter. The missiles are dumb and fire straight into anything that gets into the LOS

Gotta say, it depends on the tank. Some tanks I can melt without reloading. Decent tanks I can't do squat to. Using proto swarms 6x 300 dmg, so obv raw damage is like 2k including skills. But given that you have a base resist especially on sheild, your passive recharge and your boosters. A well tanked sheild tank laughs me off even when I'm lobbing av's at it.

You said discussion, I'm discussing :-)

I don't see any armour tanks if I'm honest. But don't see how swarms that do 1800 dmg can take out 7k armour at 50% res in 2 shots. If they do, then your right, it needs to change. Not because its OP, because its buggy. It mathematically makes 0 sense

You said discussion, I'm discussing :-)

I don't see any armour tanks if I'm honest. But don't see how swarms that do 1800 dmg can take out 7k armour at 50% res in 2 shots. If they do, then your right, it needs to change. Not because its OP, because its buggy. It mathematically makes 0 sense

Naa only if your close enough to the shooter. The missiles are dumb and fire straight into anything that gets into the LOS

I guess if they've gone to the extent of 3 proto damage mods and proto launchers, meaning they must be using proto suit? (Maybe not I'm guessing at last bit but I know how hard they are to fit onto stuff)

Let's say it takes 5 seconds to lock and fire each shot. That's 15 seconds for 3 volleys to be in the air
414 repaired per large repper without skills per 3second pulse 5 pulses max
2000+ repaired in 15 seconds
+ 50% hardeners is 3kish ehp

So with 7k plus 2k repped plus res = 13500ish ehp without shields

3 vollys of swarms with proto launcher and proto suit packing 3 proto dmg mods(these are what needs fixing)

=7000ish ehp lost. Unless they hit u on the weak spot, which I'm not too sure about but if its 30% then ok it's 9100ish.

But if someone goes to the trouble of using 150k glass cannon voulnerable to everything on the bf, then yes I think 3 shots should have you running for cover

Have you driven one?

Lol, I'm fine in HAV.

They're broken.

Why?

Because of constant QQ

If stacking was fixed on damage mods, and tanks didn't have a weak spot, or you kept your nose into the battle then the overall damage would be vastly reduced. If we're saying that damage mods add 30% damage and all your calculations are using the weak spot at an extra 30%.

1800 + 3*10% damage mods would give more like 2000-2100 with stacking penalty

Even if they keep the week spot in
2900-3000 from a full proto suit running full proto gear, hitting you in this week spot, that he cant aim at with swarms you have to present that spot for them, and swarms generally go in higher than the grill anyway. I personally am all for them removing weak spots, it's not the new Eden way.

After sleeping on it, I really think swarms aren't the issue here. It's damage mods, and maybe the weak spot

In summery ehp of 13000 armour, max damage of 2100ish would take 7 direct hits from proto swarms which would take 1 player roughly 30 seconds. Not including any shields (shields given base res maybe 9?)

And 7 or 9 shots to kill a tank is no where near overpowered. Even with 3 man squad that would be hard to pull off unless you just sat in the open murdering new berries

That's how to fix the issues I believe

Nerfing damage on account of broken dmg mods and including the weak point in damage calculations is just doomsaying.