AR operation says it adds kick, not reduces it. Unless I'm misunderstanding you.

What? No it doesn't.

It clearly states that it reduces kick and spread, just like the SMG proficiency.

It occurs when you hip fire and then ADS and is nearly uncontrollable

What? No it doesn't.

It clearly states that it reduces kick and spread, just like the SMG proficiency.

AR operation says it adds kick, not reduces it. Unless I'm misunderstanding you.

I'm pretty sure it says increases, unless I went ****** and it read it wrong... always thought it was a weird design choice.

has nothing to do with skill books, ITS A BUG

and let me reinforce the title, IT IS A BUG.

It occurs when you hip fire and then ADS and is nearly uncontrollable

it says "bonus to..." which could honestly be interpreted either way. but since other skills specifically say reduces or increases, it does make one wonder.

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Do you have a link from a dev stating that that is a bug? I don't think it's a bug.

When you fire from the hip, it's difficult to control the gun. That's why hipfire is inaccurate. So when you try to ADS from hipfire without letting go of the trigger, there is no way to magically make all that recoil disappear.

You have to let go of the trigger before you aim down the sights.

Do you have a link from a dev stating that that is a bug? I don't think it's a bug.

When you fire from the hip, it's difficult to control the gun. That's why hipfire is inaccurate. So when you try to ADS from hipfire without letting go of the trigger, there is no way to magically make all that recoil disappear.

You have to let go of the trigger before you aim down the sights.

Never really paid attention to that one. It'd be pretty hilarious to be spending SP on a skill that actually makes using the respective weapon worse. xD

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IT IS A BUG, there is 2 completely different recoil patterns while ADSing, emphasis on ADSing

I just had my roommate test this. I'm still not convinced that this is a bug.

Here is what we observed: When you ADS directly after hip firing 2-5 rounds into your clip, the amount of recoil is comparable to if you had pure ADS fired 20 to 30 rounds of your clip. The important thing is though, when you ADS directly after hip firing 30 rounds or greater, your recoil increases dramatically when compared to when you just hip fired 2-5 rounds.

This is because the "recoil ceiling" is much high for hip fire than it is for ADS fire. This is why you see two "different" recoil patterns. I put the word "different" in quotes because the recoil is exactly the same, the only variable that changes is the magnitude of recoil.

So here are the rules dictating recoil:

The longer you fire your weapon, the greater your weapon builds recoil.
Hip firing your weapon builds recoil faster than ADS firing, and with a higher potential for maximum recoil.
ADS firing your weapon builds recoil slower than hip firing, and with a lower potential for maximum recoil.

It's actually kind of cool because when you ADS after hip firing half your clip, you can actually intimately see how your gun is behaving besides the widening reticle on your HUD. This is because the recoil accumulated by hip fire will directly transfer over to your ADS fire mode should you choose to not cease fire before aiming down your sight.

name one shooter that has 2 different recoil patterns for ADs? none... it's a bug

Dust 514 apparently, calling it bug just because you've never seen it happen in another game doesn't make it a bug. Just stop firing for a second, it's not that hard

I just had my roommate test this. I'm still not convinced that this is a bug.

Here is what we observed: When you ADS directly after hip firing 2-5 rounds into your clip, the amount of recoil is comparable to if you had pure ADS fired 20 to 30 rounds of your clip. The important thing is though, when you ADS directly after hip firing 30 rounds or greater, your recoil increases dramatically when compared to when you just hip fired 2-5 rounds.

This is because the "recoil ceiling" is much high for hip fire than it is for ADS fire. This is why you see two "different" recoil patterns. I put the word "different" in quotes because the recoil is exactly the same, the only variable that changes is the magnitude of recoil.

So here are the rules dictating recoil:

The longer you fire your weapon, the greater your weapon builds recoil.
Hip firing your weapon builds recoil faster than ADS firing, and with a higher potential for maximum recoil.
ADS firing your weapon builds recoil slower than hip firing, and with a lower potential for maximum recoil.

It's actually kind of cool because when you ADS after hip firing half your clip, you can actually intimately see how your gun is behaving besides the widening reticle on your HUD. This is because the recoil accumulated by hip fire will directly transfer over to your ADS fire mode should you choose to not cease fire before aiming down your sight.

I worked as aQA tester and would bug this...

Then you have no understanding of common sense action/reaction interplay.

This so called bug is actually a game mechanic and is working as it should. Something many would understand if they ever had access to full auto weaponry.

Yea because significant recoil on an AR after hip fire is clearly good for balance in this game, when you compare it to other weapons, your a moron.

@TheMarkOf22

Okay, lets say we have it your way and all the amount of recoil accumulated automatically resets to zero when ADSing. The major probably I see with that is a possible exploit where players in CQC/hipfire range battles quickly tap the L1 to reset their recoil, essentially giving players sustained, accurate hip fire.

This game mechanic that you want is less desirable than what we have now.

are you trying to compare it to real life? if so, there only one recoil pattern

How are other games able to keep both separate? are you dumb?

one shouldnt effect the other

How are other games able to keep both separate? are you dumb?

one shouldnt effect the other

it makes no sense to have 3 different bullet patterns

You keep saying that it has 3 different bullet patterns. I'm not seeing it.

Could you please describe these different bullet patterns you are seeing?

ofcourse you dont see it, your a casual gamer....

here's proof it's a bug.

When you shoot from the hip in dust you get no/low recoil and high/moderate bullet spread, when ADS'd you get moderate recoil and no bullet spread.

When you ADS after hip firing you get HIGH recoil and HIGH bullet spread, HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?

Yea because significant recoil on an AR after hip fire is clearly good for balance in this game, when you compare it to other weapons, your a moron.

People need to make up their mind. "Whaaa... I want a weapon to require real skill to use!" Weapon has an aspect that requires a bit of real skill. "Whaaa... This is a bug." Make up your minds.

As for calling me a moron. I like when you show your immature side.

it makes no sense to have 3 different bullet patterns and recoil, when you consider the fact most weapons only have 1.

also, maturity it overrated, try playing some other shooters and you would know this....

I've experienced the same thing and it IS a bug. sometimes my rifle hardly kicks back at all (ARO 5) but then other times if i hip fire then hold L1 it just goes absolutly everywhere and you have to tap L1 again to try get it under control. dunno if its just with ARO5 because since i got that my Exile rifle has been awful to use

I just tried your method to work around this "bug" for an entire ambush match. Each and every time I tapped L1 while firing off 60 rounds in one volley, the recoil increased in a linear fashion each and every time. The only way to get your gun under control is to let go of R1 for like a split second. The moment you cease fire, recoil returns to zero and you are able to regain control of the gun.

It's really that simple, I understood this concept in first few matches when iron sights was first introduced a while back ago. It's not that difficult of a concept.

and did it wrong?

i said if you're hip firing and go to iron sights while still firing the rifle will bounce around. if you continue to fire but quickly re-tap L1 the rifle will 'reset' the kickback and become stable again. all the time your firing. Its common sense to burst the firing thats not the issue. the issue is the insane kick around if you do things in wrong order.

Wow, what a thread. I love just standing back and smelling the dysfunction.

Just to restate this to make it clear in my head.

AR hip fire has kick (recoil) that gets progressively worse the longer you fire it.

That is nearly completely negated while using L1 (ADS, aka aiming down the sights).

If one Starts Hip Firing it will not stop if L1 is Added to the control. Now we are shooting and aiming. Recoil will get massively worse.

One Must Stop Firing before switching to ADS.

Then Aim and Start Firing for ADS to work normally.

This is by design. Recoil gets worse the longer one hip fires. Switching to ADS does not stop the condition that starts the constantly increasing recoil. Only stop firing does that.

If this thread was a bug the subject line would have [Bug] at the beginning of the subject line. Thus it is not a bug.



Technical details follow:
For those that are interested in the software consider this, the weapon is firing and is in a state of continuously increasing recoil. Adding aiming to the mix and the level of zoom will adjust accordingly. That will dramatically affect the bullet (whatever) spread that is already recoiling making the result massive because of the modifications to the bullet cone. Since the recoil is Triggered by Hip Fire and it designed to Increase over time adding ADS does not Stop Recoil from being continually added. The Recoil Increase will only Stop when Firing has stopped. It would appear that the bullet cone is being constantly increased with longer firing and that ADS does not effect the cone unless Recoil Increase is not active.

Thus, it is by design.

One could argue that it shouldn't be that way, as the OP did, but ADS increases the zoom and tightens the bullet cone IF Recoil is not active. If Recoil is active it would appear that the zoom is changed but the bullet cone is not reset. One could code it such that Recoil is stopped instantly with ADS but CCP is about punishing mistakes. Or at least about paying the consequences of decisions, however you look at that issue.