AR operation says it adds kick, not reduces it. Unless I'm misunderstanding you.

What? No it doesn't.

It clearly states that it reduces kick and spread, just like the SMG proficiency.

It occurs when you hip fire and then ADS and is nearly uncontrollable

What? No it doesn't.

It clearly states that it reduces kick and spread, just like the SMG proficiency.

AR operation says it adds kick, not reduces it. Unless I'm misunderstanding you.

I'm pretty sure it says increases, unless I went ****** and it read it wrong... always thought it was a weird design choice.

has nothing to do with skill books, ITS A BUG

and let me reinforce the title, IT IS A BUG.

It occurs when you hip fire and then ADS and is nearly uncontrollable

it says "bonus to..." which could honestly be interpreted either way. but since other skills specifically say reduces or increases, it does make one wonder.

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Do you have a link from a dev stating that that is a bug? I don't think it's a bug.

When you fire from the hip, it's difficult to control the gun. That's why hipfire is inaccurate. So when you try to ADS from hipfire without letting go of the trigger, there is no way to magically make all that recoil disappear.

You have to let go of the trigger before you aim down the sights.

Do you have a link from a dev stating that that is a bug? I don't think it's a bug.

When you fire from the hip, it's difficult to control the gun. That's why hipfire is inaccurate. So when you try to ADS from hipfire without letting go of the trigger, there is no way to magically make all that recoil disappear.

You have to let go of the trigger before you aim down the sights.

Never really paid attention to that one. It'd be pretty hilarious to be spending SP on a skill that actually makes using the respective weapon worse. xD

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IT IS A BUG, there is 2 completely different recoil patterns while ADSing, emphasis on ADSing

I just had my roommate test this. I'm still not convinced that this is a bug.

Here is what we observed: When you ADS directly after hip firing 2-5 rounds into your clip, the amount of recoil is comparable to if you had pure ADS fired 20 to 30 rounds of your clip. The important thing is though, when you ADS directly after hip firing 30 rounds or greater, your recoil increases dramatically when compared to when you just hip fired 2-5 rounds.

This is because the "recoil ceiling" is much high for hip fire than it is for ADS fire. This is why you see two "different" recoil patterns. I put the word "different" in quotes because the recoil is exactly the same, the only variable that changes is the magnitude of recoil.

So here are the rules dictating recoil:

The longer you fire your weapon, the greater your weapon builds recoil.
Hip firing your weapon builds recoil faster than ADS firing, and with a higher potential for maximum recoil.
ADS firing your weapon builds recoil slower than hip firing, and with a lower potential for maximum recoil.

It's actually kind of cool because when you ADS after hip firing half your clip, you can actually intimately see how your gun is behaving besides the widening reticle on your HUD. This is because the recoil accumulated by hip fire will directly transfer over to your ADS fire mode should you choose to not cease fire before aiming down your sight.

name one shooter that has 2 different recoil patterns for ADs? none... it's a bug

Dust 514 apparently, calling it bug just because you've never seen it happen in another game doesn't make it a bug. Just stop firing for a second, it's not that hard

I just had my roommate test this. I'm still not convinced that this is a bug.

Here is what we observed: When you ADS directly after hip firing 2-5 rounds into your clip, the amount of recoil is comparable to if you had pure ADS fired 20 to 30 rounds of your clip. The important thing is though, when you ADS directly after hip firing 30 rounds or greater, your recoil increases dramatically when compared to when you just hip fired 2-5 rounds.

This is because the "recoil ceiling" is much high for hip fire than it is for ADS fire. This is why you see two "different" recoil patterns. I put the word "different" in quotes because the recoil is exactly the same, the only variable that changes is the magnitude of recoil.

So here are the rules dictating recoil:

The longer you fire your weapon, the greater your weapon builds recoil.
Hip firing your weapon builds recoil faster than ADS firing, and with a higher potential for maximum recoil.
ADS firing your weapon builds recoil slower than hip firing, and with a lower potential for maximum recoil.

It's actually kind of cool because when you ADS after hip firing half your clip, you can actually intimately see how your gun is behaving besides the widening reticle on your HUD. This is because the recoil accumulated by hip fire will directly transfer over to your ADS fire mode should you choose to not cease fire before aiming down your sight.

I worked as aQA tester and would bug this...

Then you have no understanding of common sense action/reaction interplay.

This so called bug is actually a game mechanic and is working as it should. Something many would understand if they ever had access to full auto weaponry.