no because then i would have to put 2mil sp back into where they were, i like my current sp placement and am patient enough to wait to specialise into other suits

This isn't some lame run and gun. It's about making a commitment. At least you have the option to change direction since the only classes are those defined by the skills you've trained and the suit you are wearing at that very moment.

For god sake people, do a search of the forums. The SEARCH function is there for a reason.

A skill refund would allow players to not feel frustrated or left out and isn't even something new to Eve since CCP has done it for Capsuleers.

That was YEARS ago.

So we agree. They've done it before so they can do it again.

I think a lot of people oppose this because it would allow a lot of the new players to undo their mistakes and catch up to the more hardcore players. The way the game is set up right now it isn't very user friendly and frankly that's not good. I think a refund would help casuals even the playing field and make the game all around more enjoyable.

I support the idea of a respec when some new (and this major) comes out.
I need all the SP I can get to put into being a full time pilot.

NO. Terrible idea. I would rather see to it that the entire game economy is burned to the grown like what happened to Jita back in 2012 then to see a respec happen. I'm not alone in that opinion.

Why? It makes little sense, this is still beta.

Eve Online is still beta as well if you think about it.

You are dodging the question.

The other thing to think about is again, this isn't eve. While it exists in the same universe, it can not function the same way. Skill refunds so people can repsec allow casuals to keep up by not being penalized for not having the time to grind.

It would be better if there was no sp and we just had to level up to unlock gear
Then once we got to a certain point we would restart taking only 1 weapon with us
also we don't need dropsuits or armor just make gun customizing better
And the sci di theme is dumb make it modern day
Also shrink the maps A LOT
and please lower the player count
This is how you make a good game

Eve Online is still beta as well if you think about it.

Allowing casuals to respec is a stronger argument? CCP hasn't been pushing the single shard, actions have consequences theme for DUST less than they have for EVE?

What's this about new suits? Have I missed some announcement or is this just speculation based on what somebody dug up in the item database?

A stronger argument against what? No one has offered a counter argument.

Actions have consequences, yeah I get that. But how can we be beta testing when basically I am being told that I shouldn't have specced the Scout suit and have to live with my choices even though the Amarr variant was available.

I honestly believe that the only reason people oppose a refund is because then they'd actually have to get better at their gun game instead of just harvesting noobs by the truck full.

You are dodging the question.

The other thing to think about is again, this isn't eve. While it exists in the same universe, it can not function the same way. Skill refunds so people can repsec allow casuals to keep up by not being penalized for not having the time to grind.

CCP Praetorian mentioned that a dropsuit dev blog is coming very soon and another on equipment just before that.

I read your argument of "serving the casuals" being stronger than "EVE hasn't really left beta." I don't see either one as supporting the discussion here. CCP's idea of beta is different than most other game companies, especially now that we are live on Tranquility.

I don't see how not allowing respecs allows for harvesting noobs by the truck full.

The big problem is that respeccing will take away the very essence of having meaningful choices by taking away permanent consequences

Do you find it strange that I want to hinder myself like this? To choose to live with the mistakes of my past because my past has defined me and made me who I am? I made the choice of being a Nova Knifer only and I am glad to live with that choice even though I knew for a fact that there are better options out there. You're probably wondering "Maken, what if your profession is a bust?" Well then, that is my problem. Not yours. Stay out of it.

Let me live with my permanent consequences so that my choices are meaningful.

This isn't real life this is a video game. I'd rather have fun not worry about someones little libertarian wet dream. Honestly, if you like what Eve has to offer go play Spread-Sheets In Space.

Just a heads up guys, ALL races will be having ALL of variants eventually.

Only major difference is weapons and equipment.

However if you take a look at it now
Amarr have the Laser Rifle
Gallente have the plasma rilfe
Caldari is getting a Gauss Rifle
Does not mean the minmatar wont be getting Combat Rifle in the future.

So Every race will have a HAV, LAV, Dropship, and even MCCs.

If you want Dust to be dragged down to the level of scubs who just want everything handed to them, you are playing the wrong game. CCP is the kind of company (not unlike others) that is willing to put their players through the process of living their choices for the rest of their lives even if those choices turned out to be bad choices.

Awe, you don't like that. Too frakking bad.

Casuals make games. Not hardcore players. A balance has to be struck. I get that you want to force others to play the game the way you want them to play it, that's a pretty common thread amongst gamers. Allowing a casual to chase flavor of the month doesn't impact anyone but allows the casual to enjoy himself.

If we were talking release with everything available instead of trickling in and matches that put militia gear with prototype suits sure, maybe I would agree. But right now, how it is, and for what the casuals are needed for. I disagree no matter how smug you are.

Casuals make games. Not hardcore players. A balance has to be struck. I get that you want to force others to play the game the way you want them to play it, that's a pretty common thread amongst gamers. Allowing a casual to chase flavor of the month doesn't impact anyone but allows the casual to enjoy himself.

If we were talking release with everything available instead of trickling in and matches that put militia gear with prototype suits sure, maybe I would agree. But right now, how it is, and for what the casuals are needed for. I disagree no matter how smug you are.

I'm not expecting you to agree with me. You answered exactly how I expected you would answer. Have a good day sir. If you decide to quit playing Dust, no one will miss you.

678 kills huh? For a second there I thought you actually played the game. I understand why you fear a respec now.

Third thing I had to do was forget about SP and ISK. My job is to help my team by being a complete pest to the enemy. Imagine you see your team being annoyed by that one scout who seems to nova knife your team mates every now and then and can't seem to catch up to him as he does hit-n-run tactics. If you wish to be a ninja knifer, you have to forget about SP and ISK gains.

Oh wow, since when does my KDR matter?

Didn't say anything about your KDR. Some needs to get better at reading comprehension.

Didn't say anything about your KDR. Some needs to get better at reading comprehension.

678 kills huh? For a second there I thought you actually played the game. I understand why you fear a respec now.

What was this then?

Pointing out my limited amount of kills (which I don't give a rat's ass about) in this fashion pretty much implies that you think I'm scared about having my KDR negatively affected. Ask everyone around here if I care about my KDR and they will all tell you that the only thing I care about is stabbing players in the face or in the back.

You fail at best.

What point were you trying to make then? because i came to the same conclusion as maken tosch that your post was about k/dr's

It was a comment about how much you play. Not a comment about how much you suck at playing. That's evident by your membership in PRO not your KDR and Warpoint count.

It's still an odd point to be making, however.

I play a lot, dude. I just like using a knife which limits my use. Even if I do pick up a gun, I often find myself carefully picking targets rather than farming kills in a tank like Bad Furry.

Again, the number of kills don't matter. I also play support roles.

Your measly 86k warpoints don't really suggest that.

Your measly 86k warpoints don't really suggest that.

I find that people only resort to mocking another's stats if they have no logical rebuttal to their argument.

It's pretty much an admission of defeat.

What the hell are you trying to do? Belittle me? Humiliate me? Good luck with that. I'm not the kind of person who cares about that.

Since we are getting new suits, how about a skill reset so we can respec, CCP?

I am pointing out that all your quips about me quitting, failing, or whatever keyboard-ninja nonsense you have to come up with is meaningless and that your attempt to paint me as the kind of player you need me to be to validate your point will only work on the others around here who won't understand what I am talking about in the first place or don't know me.

I don't have to humiliate you, battle you, I don't have to look at your stats to know you're a scrub. I brought them up to illustrate that you talk a big talk, just like your corp and just like your corp, you can't back it up. I felt that was important because normally when a person goes out of their way to have me grief them if I see them on the field, it is normally because they want the challenge not because the forum is the only place they can look cool.

You started in here by linking to a comment you made in another thread. Then you went on to cry and cry about how much my idea was terrible without offering another point. When I pointed out you were dodging you finally responded and continued to ignore what I was saying about casuals and the kind of impact they need to have while crying FAILURE and NO ONE WILL MISS YOU!!!! I know what's going on here. Just thought I'd give PRO a chance to not be full of complete jokes.