Yeah and reload is really long, ammo is in short supply, breach is terrible, all variants suck the life out of your fitting, can kill yourself in one shot in combat, has slow travel time, has an arc to compensate with, and ADS is terrible.
Looks like cons outweigh the pros here.

Ok I have been Provence wrong...
I was using in cqc so my judgement was based on that
u guys have valid points ty for your time

dw about them

there just trying to keep the fact the mass driver is a good weapon a secret

these are the same people that where behind the

lasers are not op threat !
HMG's are easy to counter (they can be but in some situations x-x)
8000 hp MILITIA tank with 2 reps is not op (there reasoning higher tier tanks are better)

if you think something is op
people who use it will pop up saying its not
and for good reason Who want's to be told there killing spree was not fair on there behalf ?
and the stuff they mention is easy to negate like ... REALLY easy

Dude... it kinda owns everything if used right

But the mass Driver is one of the few actually balanced guns in this game. I find myself loving the pros but the cons are definitely there. I am screwed 1/2 the time I run out of ammo, which it is very easy to do. As he said, he was using it in CQC where travel time becomes less relevant, so he encountered a Pro.

dw about them

there just trying to keep the fact the mass driver is a good weapon a secret

these are the same people that where behind the

lasers are not op threat !
HMG's are easy to counter (they can be but in some situations x-x)
8000 hp MILITIA tank with 2 reps is not op (there reasoning higher tier tanks are better)

if you think something is op
people who use it will pop up saying its not
and for good reason Who want's to be told there killing spree was not fair on there behalf ?
and the stuff they mention is easy to negate like ... REALLY easy

dw about them

there just trying to keep the fact the mass driver is a good weapon a secret

these are the same people that where behind the

lasers are not op threat !
HMG's are easy to counter (they can be but in some situations x-x)
8000 hp MILITIA tank with 2 reps is not op (there reasoning higher tier tanks are better)

if you think something is op
people who use it will pop up saying its not
and for good reason Who want's to be told there killing spree was not fair on there behalf ?
and the stuff they mention is easy to negate like ... REALLY easy

So go ahead and negate it, we'll wait. You inability to recognize the weaknesses of the weapon and counter them is not our problem. Oh if someone thinks a weapon is OP is not a rationale for anything, What are the reasons for the generation of the thought.

In this case the player associated the extreme strength of the MD in CQC as the rationale for his post. An area that is a dual edged sword for the weapon given the ability to kill yourself as often as getting kills on others with it.


Why don't you go run around with a MD for an extended period of time and use it against GOOD players.

ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS use something yourself before accusing it of being OP. You need to not only see its strengths, but experience its weaknesses. Compare your success witth the MD with results from other light weapons (AR, shotgun, laser, sniper).




A standard basic variant assault rifle contains more damage per magazine than a mass driver, and is way easier to use since it just shoots exactly where you point without having to predict paths. The standard basic variant assault rifle (which does 31 damage per shot) for example has 387.5 damage PER SECOND, which means in 2 SECONDS, it does 775 damage, enough to kill basically anyone but a well built heavy (which would just a second more second). The assault rifle can be used effectively at a greater ranges, and has no risk of damaging the user at close range.

Compare this to a basic variant standard mass diver. An MD fires 60 rounds per minute, which is 1 round per second. It does 225 shots per second if its a direct hit; did you read that? only 225 per second, and that is ONLY if you get a direct hit (rare). The basic variant standard AR does 387.5. Landing a direct hit with a mass driver not only takes more skill to do then getting direct hits with the AR (since you have to predict trajectory), but also does LESS damage per second. Now to the splash damage, the splash damage is 115 per shot (and per second since 1 shot per second), and that is usually all you will get since direct hits are rare.
387.5 > 225
387.5 > 115

In exchange for the higher difficulty to use, less damage per magazine (1350 for MD < for 1860 AR) , less effective range, and the crappy DPS compared to the AR, the mass driver gets to bypass cover, and damage multiple enemies with splash damage, and the blast effect. Its a fair trade-off.

[u][i][b] , less effective range, and the crappy DPS compared to the AR, the mass driver gets to bypass cover, and damage multiple enemies with splash damage, and the blast effect. Its a fair trade-off.

ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS use something yourself before accusing it of being OP. You need to not only see its strengths, but experience its weaknesses. Compare your success witth the MD with results from other light weapons (AR, shotgun, laser, sniper). Your unfounded misinformed opinions could lead to nerfs that ruin legitimate balanced weapons/playstyles, and make them not worth using anymore (and a waste to develop and add to the game to begin with).




A standard basic variant assault rifle contains more damage per magazine than a mass driver, and is way easier to use since it just shoots exactly where you point without having to predict paths. The standard basic variant assault rifle (which does 31 damage per shot) for example has 387.5 damage PER SECOND, which means in 2 SECONDS, it does 775 damage, enough to kill basically anyone but a well built heavy (which would just a second more second). The assault rifle can be used effectively at a greater ranges, and has no risk of damaging the user at close range unlike the mass driver.

Compare this to a basic variant standard mass diver. An MD fires 60 rounds per minute, which is 1 round per second. It does 225 shots per second if its a direct hit; did you read that? only 225 per second, and that is ONLY if you get a direct hit (rare). The basic variant standard AR does 387.5. Landing a direct hit with a mass driver not only takes more skill to do then getting direct hits with the AR (since you have to predict trajectory), but also does LESS damage per second. Now to the splash damage, the splash damage is 115 per shot (and per second since 1 shot per second), and that is usually all you will get since direct hits are rare.
387.5 > 225
387.5 > 115

In exchange for the higher difficulty to use, less damage per magazine (1350 for MD < for 1860 AR) , less effective range, risk of self-harm, and the crappy DPS compared to the AR, the mass driver gets to bypass cover, and damage multiple enemies with splash damage, and the blast effect. Its a fair trade-off.

I used to be scared of MDs when I ran AR, but since switching to lasers I find I constantly have them outranged, making them all easy targets. On the rare occasions when a MD guy gets close, the best thing to do is rush them. Get in close and take them down in CQC (I like to use my assault scrambler for this).

MDers don't like it when you rush tem, they panic and try to either run away, or spend way too long reloading because they weren't expecting anyone to be crazy enough to rush them and they already expended all of their ammo trying to anticipate your movements.

In other words, find ways to counter them with your prefered weapon choice. Everything has a downside.

ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS use something yourself before accusing it of being OP. You need to not only see its strengths, but experience its weaknesses. Compare your success witth the MD with results from other light weapons (AR, shotgun, laser, sniper). Your unfounded misinformed opinions could lead to nerfs that ruin legitimate balanced weapons/playstyles, and make them not worth using anymore (and a waste to develop and add to the game to begin with).




A standard basic variant assault rifle contains more damage per magazine than a mass driver, and is way easier to use since it just shoots exactly where you point without having to predict paths. The standard basic variant assault rifle (which does 31 damage per shot) for example has 387.5 damage PER SECOND, which means in 2 SECONDS, it does 775 damage, enough to kill basically anyone but a well built heavy (which would just a second more second). The assault rifle can be used effectively at a greater ranges, and has no risk of damaging the user at close range unlike the mass driver.

Compare this to a basic variant standard mass diver. An MD fires 60 rounds per minute, which is 1 round per second. It does 225 shots per second if its a direct hit; did you read that? only 225 per second, and that is ONLY if you get a direct hit (rare). The basic variant standard AR does 387.5. Landing a direct hit with a mass driver not only takes more skill to do then getting direct hits with the AR (since you have to predict trajectory), but also does LESS damage per second. Now to the splash damage, the splash damage is 115 per shot (and per second since 1 shot per second), and that is usually all you will get since direct hits are rare.
387.5 > 225
387.5 > 115

In exchange for the higher difficulty to use, less damage per magazine (1350 for MD < for 1860 AR) , less effective range, risk of self-harm, and the crappy DPS compared to the AR, the mass driver gets to bypass cover, and damage multiple enemies with splash damage, and the blast effect. Its a fair trade-off.

dw about them

there just trying to keep the fact the mass driver is a good weapon a secret

these are the same people that where behind the

lasers are not op threat !
HMG's are easy to counter (they can be but in some situations x-x)
8000 hp MILITIA tank with 2 reps is not op (there reasoning higher tier tanks are better)

if you think something is op
people who use it will pop up saying its not
and for good reason Who want's to be told there killing spree was not fair on there behalf ?
and the stuff they mention is easy to negate like ... REALLY easy

They need to have a reload after 2 or 3 explosives or a much slower rate of fire. Shouldn't be able to spam 6 or more explosives. Weapon is way too cheesy

ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS use something yourself before accusing it of being OP. You need to not only see its strengths, but experience its weaknesses. Compare your success witth the MD with results from other light weapons (AR, shotgun, laser, sniper). Your unfounded misinformed opinions could lead to nerfs that ruin legitimate balanced weapons/playstyles, and make them not worth using anymore (and a waste to develop and add to the game to begin with).




A standard basic variant assault rifle contains more damage per magazine than a mass driver, and is way easier to use since it just shoots exactly where you point without having to predict paths. The standard basic variant assault rifle (which does 31 damage per shot) for example has 387.5 damage PER SECOND, which means in 2 SECONDS, it does 775 damage, enough to kill basically anyone but a well built heavy (which would just a second more second). The assault rifle can be used effectively at a greater ranges, and has no risk of damaging the user at close range unlike the mass driver.

Compare this to a basic variant standard mass diver. An MD fires 60 rounds per minute, which is 1 round per second. It does 225 shots per second if its a direct hit; did you read that? only 225 per second, and that is ONLY if you get a direct hit (rare). The basic variant standard AR does 387.5. Landing a direct hit with a mass driver not only takes more skill to do then getting direct hits with the AR (since you have to predict trajectory), but also does LESS damage per second. Now to the splash damage, the splash damage is 115 per shot (and per second since 1 shot per second), and that is usually all you will get since direct hits are rare.
387.5 > 225
387.5 > 115

In exchange for the higher difficulty to use, less damage per magazine (1350 for MD < for 1860 AR) , less effective range, risk of self-harm, and the crappy DPS compared to the AR, the mass driver gets to bypass cover, and damage multiple enemies with splash damage, and the blast effect. Its a fair trade-off.

They need to have a reload after 2 or 3 explosives or a much slower rate of fire. Shouldn't be able to spam 6 or more explosives. Weapon is way too cheesy

I am screwed 1/2 the time I run out of ammo, which it is very easy to do.

*click click click*

I dread that sound. Usually happens when I'm facing one of those underpowered assault rifle guys. Just wait while I throw down a hive and spend 30 minutes reloading.

Dude... it kinda owns everything if used right

dw about them

there just trying to keep the fact the mass driver is a good weapon a secret

these are the same people that where behind the

lasers are not op threat !
HMG's are easy to counter (they can be but in some situations x-x)
8000 hp MILITIA tank with 2 reps is not op (there reasoning higher tier tanks are better)

if you think something is op
people who use it will pop up saying its not
and for good reason Who want's to be told there killing spree was not fair on there behalf ?
and the stuff they mention is easy to negate like ... REALLY easy

I use the SMG to keep me alive until I can track down a supply depot, or better yet, an angelic, suddenly-appearing logi with a blessed nanohive!

You clearly use Mass Driver. What you just typed makes absolutely no sense. You are saying AR does 387.5 dmg a second, what you are clearly failing to say after that is if EVERY single bullet from the clip hits target running around corners, boxes, ect. Mass Driver if somebody runs around a box you can still fire beside them for splash dmg. Also the AR doesn't fire fast enough to shoot all 60 bullets in a single second.

ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS use something yourself before accusing it of being OP.

Mass driver hits too hard and is easy to aim. Been saying this for months now.

I hope all the people who only expect to get assists with it continue to use it, though, so CCP will keep buffing it unnecessarily for me.

Mass driver hits too hard and is easy to aim. Been saying this for months now.

I hope all the people who only expect to get assists with it continue to use it, though, so CCP will keep buffing it unnecessarily for me.

Mass driver hits too hard and is easy to aim. Been saying this for months now.

I hope all the people who only expect to get assists with it continue to use it, though, so CCP will keep buffing it unnecessarily for me.

The only weapon in the game with an arc based trajectory and you says its too easy to aim. Compared to what?

The only weapon in the game with an arc based trajectory and you says its too easy to aim. Compared to what?

Well all you have to do is aim at nearby wall or floor its not like ur trying to hit the person

Well all you have to do is aim at nearby wall or floor its not like ur trying to hit the person

ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS use something yourself before accusing it of being OP. You need to not only see its strengths, but experience its weaknesses. Compare your success witth the MD with results from other light weapons (AR, shotgun, laser, sniper). Your unfounded misinformed opinions could lead to nerfs that ruin legitimate balanced weapons/playstyles, and make them not worth using anymore (and a waste to develop and add to the game to begin with).




A standard basic variant assault rifle contains more damage per magazine than a mass driver, and is way easier to use since it just shoots exactly where you point without having to predict paths. The standard basic variant assault rifle (which does 31 damage per shot) for example has 387.5 damage PER SECOND, which means in 2 SECONDS, it does 775 damage, enough to kill basically anyone but a well built heavy (which would just a second more second). The assault rifle can be used effectively at a greater ranges, and has no risk of damaging the user at close range unlike the mass driver.

Compare this to a basic variant standard mass diver. An MD fires 60 rounds per minute, which is 1 round per second. It does 225 shots per second if its a direct hit; did you read that? only 225 per second, and that is ONLY if you get a direct hit (rare). The basic variant standard AR does 387.5. Landing a direct hit with a mass driver not only takes more skill to do then getting direct hits with the AR (since you have to predict trajectory), but also does LESS damage per second. Now to the splash damage, the splash damage is 115 per shot (and per second since 1 shot per second), and that is usually all you will get since direct hits are rare.
387.5 > 225
387.5 > 115

In exchange for the higher difficulty to use, less damage per magazine (1350 for MD < for 1860 AR) , less effective range, risk of self-harm, and the crappy DPS compared to the AR, the mass driver gets to bypass cover, and damage multiple enemies with splash damage, and the blast effect. Its a fair trade-off.

That is only at a "sweet spot" range. Any further, there's the arc to deal with. Any closer, and you're shooting yourself in the face.

Get out of the sweet spot range and you'll be fine, unless the MD user is good, then you're screwed anyway because THEY'RE BETTER THAN YOU

How the hell is it easy to aim? Every try hitting something more than 10m away?

I have I think an 11.8 KDR using the mass driver almost exclusively. I hit people regularly at 80+ meters. It's really not that hard for me.

Massdrivers are Call Of Dutie's Noobtubes and whoever thinks they're "good" because they spam massdrivers.....die. I learned that usually medics use MDs since they don't have time to use their gun so its easier for them to just spam a driver to give some cover/ create distraction. i guess thats okay, but my cousin is a medic and he does perfectly fine with an AR while healing, but he'll have no choice but to use a MD since that what other medics are diong.

I messaged some p**** who got in his dropship, landed on a roof and spammed his MD EVERYWHERE. Mainly at the CRU next to B on that one map (don't know name). He replied talking about "oooohhhh check the leaderboards in kills" lol

MDs are cheap to begin with so when you use it in the cheapest way possible......so sad. I saw a thread about a guy breaking down how most people here have no game gun which is why tanking and MDs are convenient to them. Quote for the ******* truth. So sad how he got bashed, though.

Massdrivers are Call Of Dutie's Noobtubes and whoever thinks they're "good" because they spam massdrivers.....die. I learned that usually medics use MDs since they don't have time to use their gun so its easier for them to just spam a driver to give some cover/ create distraction. i guess thats okay, but my cousin is a medic and he does perfectly fine with an AR while healing, but he'll have no choice but to use a MD since that what other medics are diong.

I messaged some p**** who got in his dropship, landed on a roof and spammed his MD EVERYWHERE. Mainly at the CRU next to B on that one map (don't know name). He replied talking about "oooohhhh check the leaderboards in kills" lol

MDs are cheap to begin with so when you use it in the cheapest way possible......so sad. I saw a thread about a guy breaking down how most people here have no game gun which is why tanking and MDs are convenient to them. Quote for the ******* truth. So sad how he got bashed, though.

You clearly use Mass Driver. What you just typed makes absolutely no sense. You are saying AR does 387.5 dmg a second, what you are clearly failing to say after that is if EVERY single bullet from the clip hits target running around corners, boxes, ect. Mass Driver if somebody runs around a box you can still fire beside them for splash dmg. Also the AR doesn't fire fast enough to shoot all 60 bullets in a single second.

All moot bcuz of accuracy. the AR user needs 2 keep his shots on target to get all of that dmg. ur assuming every one of the bullets hits. FAIL. potential damage is dumb bcuz the game doesnt work like that.

to shoot more holes in your logic the MD user only has to hit within 4-6m of his target to do dmg. splash damage at range? only grenades do that and you cant spam those at one per second or target them either. 4-6m a huge area! so he doesnt even have to hit the target, he gets rewarded for being kind of close. again. crazy.

even worse the MD is the only weapon in the game that suppresses. not even the forge can do that.

in closing, since its direct damage is enormous, it doesnt get punished for missing and it suppresses it needs better balance. the self damage needs 2 be consistent when the shooter is inside the target range and the fire rate needs to come down to about 30 rpm. MD should be king of the 20-60m range. bad in CQC bcuz of slow fire rate and self dmg.

I have I think an 11.8 KDR using the mass driver almost exclusively. I hit people regularly at 80+ meters. It's really not that hard for me.

cool story bro, last time I saw you in a random pub match, you killed yourself with splash damage and lost the game hard with your "uber" mass driver.

If you think the Mass Driver is OP, stop playing Dust 514.

Really. This isn't the game for you. This is a game with different weapons and classes, with different skill levels and different roles. It is not Call of Duty, and it is not Battlefield 3.

If you think that any weapon is OP, and your only reasoning is "it killed me," or "it's easy to use," then you need to uninstall Dust, buy Call of Duty, and shut up.

Hey buddy how about you gtfo
basically what you are saying is we shouldnt provide feedback of a BETA PRODUCT which is what our job is!!!!!!!!
I am not saying nerf it cuz i got killed
i said i used it and it seemed overly easy to get kills without taking any damage
so MAYBE it could be looked at
So calm the hell down and read the post mmmmmkay?

Well you're not doing a good job of it, and you're not qualified to do so since you clearly never used the mass driver before.

You need to not only see its strengths, but experience its weaknesses. Compare your success witth the MD with results from other light weapons (AR, shotgun, laser, sniper).
Your unfounded misinformed opinions could lead to nerfs that ruin legitimate balanced weapons/playstyles, and make them not worth using anymore (and a waste to develop and add to the game to begin with).
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Like I said before, ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS use something yourself before accusing it of being OP.

Also, the feedback section is not the general section, its the feedback/requests section (as the bame would imply)

MD's are overpowed but assault forge guns aren't? hmm..

Mass drivers are fine. Go cry about lasers now. (lasers are also fine Btw)

Why is it that AR users want an AR only game? Does thought hurt your brain?

MD's are overpowed but assault forge guns aren't? hmm..