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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:

You clearly use Mass Driver. What you just typed makes absolutely no sense. You are saying AR does 387.5 dmg a second, what you are clearly failing to say after that is if EVERY single bullet from the clip hits target running around corners, boxes, ect. Mass Driver if somebody runs around a box you can still fire beside them for splash dmg. Also the AR doesn't fire fast enough to shoot all 60 bullets in a single second.

Reiki Jubo wrote:

All moot bcuz of accuracy. the AR user needs 2 keep his shots on target to get all of that dmg. ur assuming every one of the bullets hits. FAIL. potential damage is dumb bcuz the game doesnt work like that.

to shoot more holes in your logic the MD user only has to hit within 4-6m of his target to do dmg. splash damage at range? only grenades do that and you cant spam those at one per second or target them either. 4-6m a huge area! so he doesnt even have to hit the target, he gets rewarded for being kind of close. again. crazy.

even worse the MD is the only weapon in the game that suppresses. not even the forge can do that.

in closing, since its direct damage is enormous, it doesnt get punished for missing and it suppresses it needs better balance. the self damage needs 2 be consistent when the shooter is inside the target range and the fire rate needs to come down to about 30 rpm. MD should be king of the 20-60m range. bad in CQC bcuz of slow fire rate and self dmg.


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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2013.02.17 08:49:00 - [1] - Quote ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS use something yourself before accusing it of being OP. You need to not only see its strengths, but experience its weaknesses. Compare your success witth the MD with results from other light weapons (AR, shotgun, laser, sniper). Your unfounded misinformed opinions could lead to nerfs that ruin legitimate balanced weapons/playstyles, and make them not worth using anymore (and a waste to develop and add to the game to begin with). A standard basic variant assault rifle contains more damage per magazine than a mass driver, and is way easier to use since it just shoots exactly where you point without having to predict paths. The standard basic variant assault rifle (which does 31 damage per shot) for example has 387.5 damage PER SECOND, which means in 2 SECONDS, it does 775 damage, enough to kill basically anyone but a well built heavy (which would just a second more second). The assault rifle can be used effectively at a greater ranges, and has no risk of damaging the user at close range unlike the mass driver. Compare this to a basic variant standard mass diver. An MD fires 60 rounds per minute, which is 1 round per second. It does 225 shots per second if its a direct hit; did you read that? only 225 per second, and that is ONLY if you get a direct hit (rare). The basic variant standard AR does 387.5. Landing a direct hit with a mass driver not only takes more skill to do then getting direct hits with the AR (since you have to predict trajectory), but also does LESS damage per second. Now to the splash damage, the splash damage is 115 per shot (and per second since 1 shot per second), and that is usually all you will get since direct hits are rare. 387.5 > 225 387.5 > 115 In exchange for the higher difficulty to use, less damage per magazine (1350 for MD < for 1860 AR) , less effective range, risk of self-harm, and the crappy DPS compared to the AR, the mass driver gets to bypass cover, and damage multiple enemies with splash damage, and the blast effect. Its a fair trade-off.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2013.02.17 19:18:00 - [2] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: You clearly use Mass Driver. What you just typed makes absolutely no sense. You are saying AR does 387.5 dmg a second, what you are clearly failing to say after that is if EVERY single bullet from the clip hits target running around corners, boxes, ect. Mass Driver if somebody runs around a box you can still fire beside them for splash dmg. Also the AR doesn't fire fast enough to shoot all 60 bullets in a single second. Reiki Jubo wrote: All moot bcuz of accuracy. the AR user needs 2 keep his shots on target to get all of that dmg. ur assuming every one of the bullets hits. FAIL. potential damage is dumb bcuz the game doesnt work like that. to shoot more holes in your logic the MD user only has to hit within 4-6m of his target to do dmg. splash damage at range? only grenades do that and you cant spam those at one per second or target them either. 4-6m a huge area! so he doesnt even have to hit the target, he gets rewarded for being kind of close. again. crazy. even worse the MD is the only weapon in the game that suppresses. not even the forge can do that. in closing, since its direct damage is enormous, it doesnt get punished for missing and it suppresses it needs better balance. the self damage needs 2 be consistent when the shooter is inside the target range and the fire rate needs to come down to about 30 rpm. MD should be king of the 20-60m range. bad in CQC bcuz of slow fire rate and self dmg. I find it cute how people point out that the calculated AR dps is only acheived if you hit the target, WEL DUH!. If you can't hit the target to maximize your amazing dps potential, than that's YOUR FAULT for not being good enough at tracking and hitting targets. The AR is accurate, and hitscan (bullet hits target as soon as you pull the trigger, no travel time), the problem is you people need to get good. @XeroTheBigBoss: No, I'm an AR user, I only use militia crap and my free exile AR since I don't want to specialize for any weapon or dropsuit until the new weapons and dropsuits come, I did test the mass driver before though (i test every weapon and vehicle type). Where the hell did I say it can shoot 60 rounds per second? reread my post, its 12.5 shots per second (multiply by 31 damage). 750 RPM / 60 (60 secs per minute) = 12.5 RPS X 31 damage = 387.5 per seconds. 387.5 X 2 = 775 damage in 2 seconds. @Reiki Jubo: Hitting someone with only splash damage is not missing, its a deliberate method of doing damage since aiming for a direct hit has a high chance of failure. Direct damage is big, but its hard to get, much harder than getting 1 or 2 seconds of direct damage with an an AR (which I remind you dos much more damage anyway); considering that, I thing the suppression effect is fair. Forge gun is an anti-vehicle weapon, while mass driver is anti-infantry, so bad comparison.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2013.02.17 22:11:00 - [3] - Quote zeek1227 zeek1227 wrote: Tau5 wrote: If you think the Mass Driver is OP, stop playing Dust 514. Really. This isn't the game for you. This is a game with different weapons and classes, with different skill levels and different roles. It is not Call of Duty, and it is not Battlefield 3. If you think that any weapon is OP, and your only reasoning is "it killed me," or "it's easy to use," then you need to uninstall Dust, buy Call of Duty, and shut up. Hey buddy how about you gtfo basically what you are saying is we shouldnt provide feedback of a BETA PRODUCT which is what our job is!!!!!!!! I am not saying nerf it cuz i got killed i said i used it and it seemed overly easy to get kills without taking any damage so MAYBE it could be looked at So calm the hell down and read the post mmmmmkay? Well you're not doing a good job of it, and you're not qualified to do so since you clearly never used the mass driver before. You need to not only see its strengths, but experience its weaknesses. Compare your success witth the MD with results from other light weapons (AR, shotgun, laser, sniper). Your unfounded misinformed opinions could lead to nerfs that ruin legitimate balanced weapons/playstyles, and make them not worth using anymore (and a waste to develop and add to the game to begin with). Read post #14 Like I said before, ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS use something yourself before accusing it of being OP. Also, the feedback section is not the general section, its the feedback/requests section (as the bame would imply)