Yeah and reload is really long, ammo is in short supply, breach is terrible, all variants suck the life out of your fitting, can kill yourself in one shot in combat, has slow travel time, has an arc to compensate with, and ADS is terrible.
Looks like cons outweigh the pros here.

Ok I have been Provence wrong...
I was using in cqc so my judgement was based on that
u guys have valid points ty for your time

dw about them

there just trying to keep the fact the mass driver is a good weapon a secret

these are the same people that where behind the

lasers are not op threat !
HMG's are easy to counter (they can be but in some situations x-x)
8000 hp MILITIA tank with 2 reps is not op (there reasoning higher tier tanks are better)

if you think something is op
people who use it will pop up saying its not
and for good reason Who want's to be told there killing spree was not fair on there behalf ?
and the stuff they mention is easy to negate like ... REALLY easy

Dude... it kinda owns everything if used right

But the mass Driver is one of the few actually balanced guns in this game. I find myself loving the pros but the cons are definitely there. I am screwed 1/2 the time I run out of ammo, which it is very easy to do. As he said, he was using it in CQC where travel time becomes less relevant, so he encountered a Pro.

dw about them

there just trying to keep the fact the mass driver is a good weapon a secret

these are the same people that where behind the

lasers are not op threat !
HMG's are easy to counter (they can be but in some situations x-x)
8000 hp MILITIA tank with 2 reps is not op (there reasoning higher tier tanks are better)

if you think something is op
people who use it will pop up saying its not
and for good reason Who want's to be told there killing spree was not fair on there behalf ?
and the stuff they mention is easy to negate like ... REALLY easy

dw about them

there just trying to keep the fact the mass driver is a good weapon a secret

these are the same people that where behind the

lasers are not op threat !
HMG's are easy to counter (they can be but in some situations x-x)
8000 hp MILITIA tank with 2 reps is not op (there reasoning higher tier tanks are better)

if you think something is op
people who use it will pop up saying its not
and for good reason Who want's to be told there killing spree was not fair on there behalf ?
and the stuff they mention is easy to negate like ... REALLY easy

So go ahead and negate it, we'll wait. You inability to recognize the weaknesses of the weapon and counter them is not our problem. Oh if someone thinks a weapon is OP is not a rationale for anything, What are the reasons for the generation of the thought.

In this case the player associated the extreme strength of the MD in CQC as the rationale for his post. An area that is a dual edged sword for the weapon given the ability to kill yourself as often as getting kills on others with it.


Why don't you go run around with a MD for an extended period of time and use it against GOOD players.

ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS use something yourself before accusing it of being OP. You need to not only see its strengths, but experience its weaknesses. Compare your success witth the MD with results from other light weapons (AR, shotgun, laser, sniper).




A standard basic variant assault rifle contains more damage per magazine than a mass driver, and is way easier to use since it just shoots exactly where you point without having to predict paths. The standard basic variant assault rifle (which does 31 damage per shot) for example has 387.5 damage PER SECOND, which means in 2 SECONDS, it does 775 damage, enough to kill basically anyone but a well built heavy (which would just a second more second). The assault rifle can be used effectively at a greater ranges, and has no risk of damaging the user at close range.

Compare this to a basic variant standard mass diver. An MD fires 60 rounds per minute, which is 1 round per second. It does 225 shots per second if its a direct hit; did you read that? only 225 per second, and that is ONLY if you get a direct hit (rare). The basic variant standard AR does 387.5. Landing a direct hit with a mass driver not only takes more skill to do then getting direct hits with the AR (since you have to predict trajectory), but also does LESS damage per second. Now to the splash damage, the splash damage is 115 per shot (and per second since 1 shot per second), and that is usually all you will get since direct hits are rare.
387.5 > 225
387.5 > 115

In exchange for the higher difficulty to use, less damage per magazine (1350 for MD < for 1860 AR) , less effective range, and the crappy DPS compared to the AR, the mass driver gets to bypass cover, and damage multiple enemies with splash damage, and the blast effect. Its a fair trade-off.

[u][i][b] , less effective range, and the crappy DPS compared to the AR, the mass driver gets to bypass cover, and damage multiple enemies with splash damage, and the blast effect. Its a fair trade-off.

ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS use something yourself before accusing it of being OP. You need to not only see its strengths, but experience its weaknesses. Compare your success witth the MD with results from other light weapons (AR, shotgun, laser, sniper). Your unfounded misinformed opinions could lead to nerfs that ruin legitimate balanced weapons/playstyles, and make them not worth using anymore (and a waste to develop and add to the game to begin with).




A standard basic variant assault rifle contains more damage per magazine than a mass driver, and is way easier to use since it just shoots exactly where you point without having to predict paths. The standard basic variant assault rifle (which does 31 damage per shot) for example has 387.5 damage PER SECOND, which means in 2 SECONDS, it does 775 damage, enough to kill basically anyone but a well built heavy (which would just a second more second). The assault rifle can be used effectively at a greater ranges, and has no risk of damaging the user at close range unlike the mass driver.

Compare this to a basic variant standard mass diver. An MD fires 60 rounds per minute, which is 1 round per second. It does 225 shots per second if its a direct hit; did you read that? only 225 per second, and that is ONLY if you get a direct hit (rare). The basic variant standard AR does 387.5. Landing a direct hit with a mass driver not only takes more skill to do then getting direct hits with the AR (since you have to predict trajectory), but also does LESS damage per second. Now to the splash damage, the splash damage is 115 per shot (and per second since 1 shot per second), and that is usually all you will get since direct hits are rare.
387.5 > 225
387.5 > 115

In exchange for the higher difficulty to use, less damage per magazine (1350 for MD < for 1860 AR) , less effective range, risk of self-harm, and the crappy DPS compared to the AR, the mass driver gets to bypass cover, and damage multiple enemies with splash damage, and the blast effect. Its a fair trade-off.

I used to be scared of MDs when I ran AR, but since switching to lasers I find I constantly have them outranged, making them all easy targets. On the rare occasions when a MD guy gets close, the best thing to do is rush them. Get in close and take them down in CQC (I like to use my assault scrambler for this).

MDers don't like it when you rush tem, they panic and try to either run away, or spend way too long reloading because they weren't expecting anyone to be crazy enough to rush them and they already expended all of their ammo trying to anticipate your movements.

In other words, find ways to counter them with your prefered weapon choice. Everything has a downside.

ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS use something yourself before accusing it of being OP. You need to not only see its strengths, but experience its weaknesses. Compare your success witth the MD with results from other light weapons (AR, shotgun, laser, sniper). Your unfounded misinformed opinions could lead to nerfs that ruin legitimate balanced weapons/playstyles, and make them not worth using anymore (and a waste to develop and add to the game to begin with).




A standard basic variant assault rifle contains more damage per magazine than a mass driver, and is way easier to use since it just shoots exactly where you point without having to predict paths. The standard basic variant assault rifle (which does 31 damage per shot) for example has 387.5 damage PER SECOND, which means in 2 SECONDS, it does 775 damage, enough to kill basically anyone but a well built heavy (which would just a second more second). The assault rifle can be used effectively at a greater ranges, and has no risk of damaging the user at close range unlike the mass driver.

Compare this to a basic variant standard mass diver. An MD fires 60 rounds per minute, which is 1 round per second. It does 225 shots per second if its a direct hit; did you read that? only 225 per second, and that is ONLY if you get a direct hit (rare). The basic variant standard AR does 387.5. Landing a direct hit with a mass driver not only takes more skill to do then getting direct hits with the AR (since you have to predict trajectory), but also does LESS damage per second. Now to the splash damage, the splash damage is 115 per shot (and per second since 1 shot per second), and that is usually all you will get since direct hits are rare.
387.5 > 225
387.5 > 115

In exchange for the higher difficulty to use, less damage per magazine (1350 for MD < for 1860 AR) , less effective range, risk of self-harm, and the crappy DPS compared to the AR, the mass driver gets to bypass cover, and damage multiple enemies with splash damage, and the blast effect. Its a fair trade-off.

dw about them

there just trying to keep the fact the mass driver is a good weapon a secret

these are the same people that where behind the

lasers are not op threat !
HMG's are easy to counter (they can be but in some situations x-x)
8000 hp MILITIA tank with 2 reps is not op (there reasoning higher tier tanks are better)

if you think something is op
people who use it will pop up saying its not
and for good reason Who want's to be told there killing spree was not fair on there behalf ?
and the stuff they mention is easy to negate like ... REALLY easy

They need to have a reload after 2 or 3 explosives or a much slower rate of fire. Shouldn't be able to spam 6 or more explosives. Weapon is way too cheesy

ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS use something yourself before accusing it of being OP. You need to not only see its strengths, but experience its weaknesses. Compare your success witth the MD with results from other light weapons (AR, shotgun, laser, sniper). Your unfounded misinformed opinions could lead to nerfs that ruin legitimate balanced weapons/playstyles, and make them not worth using anymore (and a waste to develop and add to the game to begin with).




A standard basic variant assault rifle contains more damage per magazine than a mass driver, and is way easier to use since it just shoots exactly where you point without having to predict paths. The standard basic variant assault rifle (which does 31 damage per shot) for example has 387.5 damage PER SECOND, which means in 2 SECONDS, it does 775 damage, enough to kill basically anyone but a well built heavy (which would just a second more second). The assault rifle can be used effectively at a greater ranges, and has no risk of damaging the user at close range unlike the mass driver.

Compare this to a basic variant standard mass diver. An MD fires 60 rounds per minute, which is 1 round per second. It does 225 shots per second if its a direct hit; did you read that? only 225 per second, and that is ONLY if you get a direct hit (rare). The basic variant standard AR does 387.5. Landing a direct hit with a mass driver not only takes more skill to do then getting direct hits with the AR (since you have to predict trajectory), but also does LESS damage per second. Now to the splash damage, the splash damage is 115 per shot (and per second since 1 shot per second), and that is usually all you will get since direct hits are rare.
387.5 > 225
387.5 > 115

In exchange for the higher difficulty to use, less damage per magazine (1350 for MD < for 1860 AR) , less effective range, risk of self-harm, and the crappy DPS compared to the AR, the mass driver gets to bypass cover, and damage multiple enemies with splash damage, and the blast effect. Its a fair trade-off.

They need to have a reload after 2 or 3 explosives or a much slower rate of fire. Shouldn't be able to spam 6 or more explosives. Weapon is way too cheesy

I am screwed 1/2 the time I run out of ammo, which it is very easy to do.

*click click click*

I dread that sound. Usually happens when I'm facing one of those underpowered assault rifle guys. Just wait while I throw down a hive and spend 30 minutes reloading.