DUST Search - mass drivers

XeroTheBigBoss wrote:

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:

ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS use something yourself before accusing it of being OP. You need to not only see its strengths, but experience its weaknesses. Compare your success witth the MD with results from other light weapons (AR, shotgun, laser, sniper). Your unfounded misinformed opinions could lead to nerfs that ruin legitimate balanced weapons/playstyles, and make them not worth using anymore (and a waste to develop and add to the game to begin with).

A standard basic variant assault rifle contains more damage per magazine than a mass driver, and is way easier to use since it just shoots exactly where you point without having to predict paths. The standard basic variant assault rifle (which does 31 damage per shot) for example has 387.5 damage PER SECOND, which means in 2 SECONDS, it does 775 damage, enough to kill basically anyone but a well built heavy (which would just a second more second). The assault rifle can be used effectively at a greater ranges, and has no risk of damaging the user at close range unlike the mass driver.

Compare this to a basic variant standard mass diver. An MD fires 60 rounds per minute, which is 1 round per second. It does 225 shots per second if its a direct hit; did you read that? only 225 per second, and that is ONLY if you get a direct hit (rare). The basic variant standard AR does 387.5. Landing a direct hit with a mass driver not only takes more skill to do then getting direct hits with the AR (since you have to predict trajectory), but also does LESS damage per second. Now to the splash damage, the splash damage is 115 per shot (and per second since 1 shot per second), and that is usually all you will get since direct hits are rare.
387.5 > 225
387.5 > 115

In exchange for the higher difficulty to use, less damage per magazine (1350 for MD < for 1860 AR) , less effective range, risk of self-harm, and the crappy DPS compared to the AR, the mass driver gets to bypass cover, and damage multiple enemies with splash damage, and the blast effect. Its a fair trade-off.

You clearly use Mass Driver. What you just typed makes absolutely no sense. You are saying AR does 387.5 dmg a second, what you are clearly failing to say after that is if EVERY single bullet from the clip hits target running around corners, boxes, ect. Mass Driver if somebody runs around a box you can still fire beside them for splash dmg. Also the AR doesn't fire fast enough to shoot all 60 bullets in a single second.


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Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2013.02.17 17:15:00 - [1] - Quote zeek1227 zeek1227 wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Yeah and reload is really long, ammo is in short supply, breach is terrible, all variants suck the life out of your fitting, can kill yourself in one shot in combat, has slow travel time, has an arc to compensate with, and ADS is terrible. Looks like cons outweigh the pros here. Dude... it kinda owns everything if used right And it only owns the person using it if used badly. This trait makes it, IMO, the most balanced weapon and a weapon I'm proud to use. A weapon that at first sucks, then becomes god mode after an insane amount of practice is not OP.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2013.02.17 17:48:00 - [2] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS use something yourself before accusing it of being OP. You need to not only see its strengths, but experience its weaknesses. Compare your success witth the MD with results from other light weapons (AR, shotgun, laser, sniper). Your unfounded misinformed opinions could lead to nerfs that ruin legitimate balanced weapons/playstyles, and make them not worth using anymore (and a waste to develop and add to the game to begin with). A standard basic variant assault rifle contains more damage per magazine than a mass driver, and is way easier to use since it just shoots exactly where you point without having to predict paths. The standard basic variant assault rifle (which does 31 damage per shot) for example has 387.5 damage PER SECOND, which means in 2 SECONDS, it does 775 damage, enough to kill basically anyone but a well built heavy (which would just a second more second). The assault rifle can be used effectively at a greater ranges, and has no risk of damaging the user at close range unlike the mass driver. Compare this to a basic variant standard mass diver. An MD fires 60 rounds per minute, which is 1 round per second. It does 225 shots per second if its a direct hit; did you read that? only 225 per second, and that is ONLY if you get a direct hit (rare). The basic variant standard AR does 387.5. Landing a direct hit with a mass driver not only takes more skill to do then getting direct hits with the AR (since you have to predict trajectory), but also does LESS damage per second. Now to the splash damage, the splash damage is 115 per shot (and per second since 1 shot per second), and that is usually all you will get since direct hits are rare. 387.5 > 225 387.5 > 115 In exchange for the higher difficulty to use, less damage per magazine (1350 for MD < for 1860 AR) , less effective range, risk of self-harm, and the crappy DPS compared to the AR, the mass driver gets to bypass cover, and damage multiple enemies with splash damage, and the blast effect. Its a fair trade-off. You clearly use Mass Driver. What you just typed makes absolutely no sense. You are saying AR does 387.5 dmg a second, what you are clearly failing to say after that is if EVERY single bullet from the clip hits target running around corners, boxes, ect. Mass Driver if somebody runs around a box you can still fire beside them for splash dmg. Also the AR doesn't fire fast enough to shoot all 60 bullets in a single second. And you clearly never used a mass driver KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS use something yourself before accusing it of being OP.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2013.02.17 17:49:00 - [3] - Quote Tiel Syysch wrote: Mass driver hits too hard and is easy to aim. Been saying this for months now. I hope all the people who only expect to get assists with it continue to use it, though, so CCP will keep buffing it unnecessarily for me. How the hell is it easy to aim? Every try hitting something more than 10m away?
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2013.02.17 17:59:00 - [4] - Quote zeek1227 zeek1227 wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: Tiel Syysch wrote: Mass driver hits too hard and is easy to aim. Been saying this for months now. I hope all the people who only expect to get assists with it continue to use it, though, so CCP will keep buffing it unnecessarily for me. The only weapon in the game with an arc based trajectory and you says its too easy to aim. Compared to what? Well all you have to do is aim at nearby wall or floor its not like ur trying to hit the person That is only at a "sweet spot" range. Any further, there's the arc to deal with. Any closer, and you're shooting yourself in the face. Get out of the sweet spot range and you'll be fine, unless the MD user is good, then you're screwed anyway because THEY'RE BETTER THAN YOU
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2013.02.17 21:07:00 - [5] - Quote I shudder to think what a true master of the MD is capable of. I directly hit a sniper from a pretty good distance- someone damaged them before hand, but it finished them off. Damn lucky shot.