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Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2013.02.17 17:15:00 - [31] - Quote zeek1227 zeek1227 wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Yeah and reload is really long, ammo is in short supply, breach is terrible, all variants suck the life out of your fitting, can kill yourself in one shot in combat, has slow travel time, has an arc to compensate with, and ADS is terrible. Looks like cons outweigh the pros here. Dude... it kinda owns everything if used right And it only owns the person using it if used badly. This trait makes it, IMO, the most balanced weapon and a weapon I'm proud to use. A weapon that at first sucks, then becomes god mode after an insane amount of practice is not OP.
TEBOW BAGGINS FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET 549	Posted - 2013.02.17 17:15:00 - [32] - Quote Syther Shadows wrote: zeek1227 zeek1227 wrote: Ok I have been Provence wrong... I was using in cqc so my judgement was based on that u guys have valid points ty for your time dw about them there just trying to keep the fact the mass driver is a good weapon a secret these are the same people that where behind the lasers are not op threat ! HMG's are easy to counter (they can be but in some situations x-x) 8000 hp MILITIA tank with 2 reps is not op (there reasoning higher tier tanks are better) if you think something is op people who use it will pop up saying its not and for good reason Who want's to be told there killing spree was not fair on there behalf ? and the stuff they mention is easy to negate like ... REALLY easy yea but when EVERY weapon is supposedly OP and there fore every weapon needs to be nerfed then it's a problem with the players they need to HTFU and go back to WoW or wherever instead of having every weapon nerfed WTF is the point of that because you suck at all aspects of the game and consider every weapon to be OP? no that means you suck at the game.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium 295	Posted - 2013.02.17 17:19:00 - [33] - Quote SoLJae wrote: I use the SMG to keep me alive until I can track down a supply depot, or better yet, an angelic, suddenly-appearing logi with a blessed nanohive! I am the logi. My sidearm is my right elbow but the range is a bit short. Training hand-to-hand combat right now.
Xender17 Oblivion S.G.X 4	Posted - 2013.02.17 17:22:00 - [34] - Quote I like using it against heavies.... it actually makes them nervous.
Tiel Syysch Imperfects Negative-Feedback 633	Posted - 2013.02.17 17:44:00 - [35] - Quote Mass driver hits too hard and is easy to aim. Been saying this for months now. I hope all the people who only expect to get assists with it continue to use it, though, so CCP will keep buffing it unnecessarily for me.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2013.02.17 17:48:00 - [36] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS use something yourself before accusing it of being OP. You need to not only see its strengths, but experience its weaknesses. Compare your success witth the MD with results from other light weapons (AR, shotgun, laser, sniper). Your unfounded misinformed opinions could lead to nerfs that ruin legitimate balanced weapons/playstyles, and make them not worth using anymore (and a waste to develop and add to the game to begin with). A standard basic variant assault rifle contains more damage per magazine than a mass driver, and is way easier to use since it just shoots exactly where you point without having to predict paths. The standard basic variant assault rifle (which does 31 damage per shot) for example has 387.5 damage PER SECOND, which means in 2 SECONDS, it does 775 damage, enough to kill basically anyone but a well built heavy (which would just a second more second). The assault rifle can be used effectively at a greater ranges, and has no risk of damaging the user at close range unlike the mass driver. Compare this to a basic variant standard mass diver. An MD fires 60 rounds per minute, which is 1 round per second. It does 225 shots per second if its a direct hit; did you read that? only 225 per second, and that is ONLY if you get a direct hit (rare). The basic variant standard AR does 387.5. Landing a direct hit with a mass driver not only takes more skill to do then getting direct hits with the AR (since you have to predict trajectory), but also does LESS damage per second. Now to the splash damage, the splash damage is 115 per shot (and per second since 1 shot per second), and that is usually all you will get since direct hits are rare. 387.5 > 225 387.5 > 115 In exchange for the higher difficulty to use, less damage per magazine (1350 for MD < for 1860 AR) , less effective range, risk of self-harm, and the crappy DPS compared to the AR, the mass driver gets to bypass cover, and damage multiple enemies with splash damage, and the blast effect. Its a fair trade-off. You clearly use Mass Driver. What you just typed makes absolutely no sense. You are saying AR does 387.5 dmg a second, what you are clearly failing to say after that is if EVERY single bullet from the clip hits target running around corners, boxes, ect. Mass Driver if somebody runs around a box you can still fire beside them for splash dmg. Also the AR doesn't fire fast enough to shoot all 60 bullets in a single second. And you clearly never used a mass driver KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS use something yourself before accusing it of being OP.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2013.02.17 17:49:00 - [37] - Quote Tiel Syysch wrote: Mass driver hits too hard and is easy to aim. Been saying this for months now. I hope all the people who only expect to get assists with it continue to use it, though, so CCP will keep buffing it unnecessarily for me. How the hell is it easy to aim? Every try hitting something more than 10m away?
Keyser Soze VerbalKint IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 77	Posted - 2013.02.17 17:51:00 - [38] - Quote Tiel Syysch wrote: Mass driver hits too hard and is easy to aim. Been saying this for months now. I hope all the people who only expect to get assists with it continue to use it, though, so CCP will keep buffing it unnecessarily for me. TBF, you're an oddity easliy top 3 MD users in the game so yea, lets not balance the weapon around you noone else will be able to ever use it otherwise
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium 295	Posted - 2013.02.17 17:51:00 - [39] - Quote Tiel Syysch wrote: Mass driver hits too hard and is easy to aim. Been saying this for months now. I hope all the people who only expect to get assists with it continue to use it, though, so CCP will keep buffing it unnecessarily for me. The only weapon in the game with an arc based trajectory and you says its too easy to aim. Compared to what?
zeek1227 zeek1227 Blitzkrieg Co. 144	Posted - 2013.02.17 17:52:00 - [40] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Tiel Syysch wrote: Mass driver hits too hard and is easy to aim. Been saying this for months now. I hope all the people who only expect to get assists with it continue to use it, though, so CCP will keep buffing it unnecessarily for me. The only weapon in the game with an arc based trajectory and you says its too easy to aim. Compared to what? Well all you have to do is aim at nearby wall or floor its not like ur trying to hit the person

Keyser Soze VerbalKint IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 77	Posted - 2013.02.17 17:56:00 - [41] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Tiel Syysch wrote: Mass driver hits too hard and is easy to aim. Been saying this for months now. I hope all the people who only expect to get assists with it continue to use it, though, so CCP will keep buffing it unnecessarily for me. The only weapon in the game with an arc based trajectory and you says its too easy to aim. Compared to what? Its easy to aim, what isn't easy is having the patience and discipline not to panic and spam rather than place the shots while taking fire.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2013.02.17 17:59:00 - [42] - Quote zeek1227 zeek1227 wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: Tiel Syysch wrote: Mass driver hits too hard and is easy to aim. Been saying this for months now. I hope all the people who only expect to get assists with it continue to use it, though, so CCP will keep buffing it unnecessarily for me. The only weapon in the game with an arc based trajectory and you says its too easy to aim. Compared to what? Well all you have to do is aim at nearby wall or floor its not like ur trying to hit the person That is only at a "sweet spot" range. Any further, there's the arc to deal with. Any closer, and you're shooting yourself in the face. Get out of the sweet spot range and you'll be fine, unless the MD user is good, then you're screwed anyway because THEY'RE BETTER THAN YOU
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium 295	Posted - 2013.02.17 18:00:00 - [43] - Quote zeek1227 zeek1227 wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: Tiel Syysch wrote: Mass driver hits too hard and is easy to aim. Been saying this for months now. I hope all the people who only expect to get assists with it continue to use it, though, so CCP will keep buffing it unnecessarily for me. The only weapon in the game with an arc based trajectory and you says its too easy to aim. Compared to what? Well all you have to do is aim at nearby wall or floor its not like ur trying to hit the person Yes, the optimal use case for the weapon. Hit a wall that is right behind the enemy or fire down on them and its awesome. If the elevation is wrong, you're out in the open or there is too much clutter in the area then the challenge begins and that magazine seems way too small to finish the job or you're killing yourself by clipping a shipping crate or a corner. If I'm going up against a heavy I AM trying to hit him with a round or four to take him down. My point is that every weapon has its pros and cons. The mass driver is not overpowered. Its just different and takes some player skill and thought, like every other weapon.
Reiki Jubo Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 63	Posted - 2013.02.17 18:01:00 - [44] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS use something yourself before accusing it of being OP. You need to not only see its strengths, but experience its weaknesses. Compare your success witth the MD with results from other light weapons (AR, shotgun, laser, sniper). Your unfounded misinformed opinions could lead to nerfs that ruin legitimate balanced weapons/playstyles, and make them not worth using anymore (and a waste to develop and add to the game to begin with). A standard basic variant assault rifle contains more damage per magazine than a mass driver, and is way easier to use since it just shoots exactly where you point without having to predict paths. The standard basic variant assault rifle (which does 31 damage per shot) for example has 387.5 damage PER SECOND, which means in 2 SECONDS, it does 775 damage, enough to kill basically anyone but a well built heavy (which would just a second more second). The assault rifle can be used effectively at a greater ranges, and has no risk of damaging the user at close range unlike the mass driver. Compare this to a basic variant standard mass diver. An MD fires 60 rounds per minute, which is 1 round per second. It does 225 shots per second if its a direct hit; did you read that? only 225 per second, and that is ONLY if you get a direct hit (rare). The basic variant standard AR does 387.5. Landing a direct hit with a mass driver not only takes more skill to do then getting direct hits with the AR (since you have to predict trajectory), but also does LESS damage per second. Now to the splash damage, the splash damage is 115 per shot (and per second since 1 shot per second), and that is usually all you will get since direct hits are rare. 387.5 > 225 387.5 > 115 In exchange for the higher difficulty to use, less damage per magazine (1350 for MD < for 1860 AR) , less effective range, risk of self-harm, and the crappy DPS compared to the AR, the mass driver gets to bypass cover, and damage multiple enemies with splash damage, and the blast effect. Its a fair trade-off. All moot bcuz of accuracy. the AR user needs 2 keep his shots on target to get all of that dmg. ur assuming every one of the bullets hits. FAIL. potential damage is dumb bcuz the game doesnt work like that. to shoot more holes in your logic the MD user only has to hit within 4-6m of his target to do dmg. splash damage at range? only grenades do that and you cant spam those at one per second or target them either. 4-6m a huge area! so he doesnt even have to hit the target, he gets rewarded for being kind of close. again. crazy. even worse the MD is the only weapon in the game that suppresses. not even the forge can do that. in closing, since its direct damage is enormous, it doesnt get punished for missing and it suppresses it needs better balance. the self damage needs 2 be consistent when the shooter is inside the target range and the fire rate needs to come down to about 30 rpm. MD should be king of the 20-60m range. bad in CQC bcuz of slow fire rate and self dmg.
zeek1227 zeek1227 Blitzkrieg Co. 144	Posted - 2013.02.17 18:03:00 - [45] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: zeek1227 zeek1227 wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: Tiel Syysch wrote: Mass driver hits too hard and is easy to aim. Been saying this for months now. I hope all the people who only expect to get assists with it continue to use it, though, so CCP will keep buffing it unnecessarily for me. The only weapon in the game with an arc based trajectory and you says its too easy to aim. Compared to what? Well all you have to do is aim at nearby wall or floor its not like ur trying to hit the person That is only at a "sweet spot" range. Any further, there's the arc to deal with. Any closer, and you're shooting yourself in the face. Get out of the sweet spot range and you'll be fine, unless the MD user is good, then you're screwed anyway because THEY'RE BETTER THAN YOU Right but you know how freaking hard it is to dodge grenages and try to shoot accurately at the dude spamming them? I mean people complained about earlier grenades blowing up to soon and this is a gun that shoots them!!! Idk maybe I'm wrong but I have has experience on both sides of an Md Got many kills on one side and died pretty quick on the other
Tiel Syysch Imperfects Negative-Feedback 633	Posted - 2013.02.17 18:03:00 - [46] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Tiel Syysch wrote: Mass driver hits too hard and is easy to aim. Been saying this for months now. I hope all the people who only expect to get assists with it continue to use it, though, so CCP will keep buffing it unnecessarily for me. How the hell is it easy to aim? Every try hitting something more than 10m away? I have I think an 11.8 KDR using the mass driver almost exclusively. I hit people regularly at 80+ meters. It's really not that hard for me.
GetShotUp UnReaL. 85	Posted - 2013.02.17 18:07:00 - [47] - Quote Massdrivers are Call Of Dutie's Noobtubes and whoever thinks they're "good" because they spam massdrivers.....die. I learned that usually medics use MDs since they don't have time to use their gun so its easier for them to just spam a driver to give some cover/ create distraction. i guess thats okay, but my cousin is a medic and he does perfectly fine with an AR while healing, but he'll have no choice but to use a MD since that what other medics are diong. I messaged some p** who got in his dropship, landed on a roof and spammed his MD EVERYWHERE. Mainly at the CRU next to B on that one map (don't know name). He replied talking about "oooohhhh check the leaderboards in kills" lol MDs are cheap to begin with so when you use it in the cheapest way possible......so sad. I saw a thread about a guy breaking down how most people here have no game gun which is why tanking and MDs are convenient to them. Quote for the ***** truth. So sad how he got bashed, though.
TEBOW BAGGINS FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET 549	Posted - 2013.02.17 18:07:00 - [48] - Quote the voice of MD
Keyser Soze VerbalKint IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 77	Posted - 2013.02.17 18:08:00 - [49] - Quote Tiel Syysch wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Tiel Syysch wrote: Mass driver hits too hard and is easy to aim. Been saying this for months now. I hope all the people who only expect to get assists with it continue to use it, though, so CCP will keep buffing it unnecessarily for me. How the hell is it easy to aim? Every try hitting something more than 10m away? I have I think an 11.8 KDR using the mass driver almost exclusively. I hit people regularly at 80+ meters. It's really not that hard for me. But you are a GOD you are not like the rest of us mere mortals. Me thinks it has more to do with the user and not the weapon. Now stop fishing for these compliments you'll get no more from me
TEBOW BAGGINS FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET 549	Posted - 2013.02.17 18:13:00 - [50] - Quote GetShotUp wrote: Massdrivers are Call Of Dutie's Noobtubes and whoever thinks they're "good" because they spam massdrivers.....die. I learned that usually medics use MDs since they don't have time to use their gun so its easier for them to just spam a driver to give some cover/ create distraction. i guess thats okay, but my cousin is a medic and he does perfectly fine with an AR while healing, but he'll have no choice but to use a MD since that what other medics are diong. I messaged some p** who got in his dropship, landed on a roof and spammed his MD EVERYWHERE. Mainly at the CRU next to B on that one map (don't know name). He replied talking about "oooohhhh check the leaderboards in kills" lol MDs are cheap to begin with so when you use it in the cheapest way possible......so sad. I saw a thread about a guy breaking down how most people here have no game gun which is why tanking and MDs are convenient to them. Quote for the ***** truth. So sad how he got bashed, though. and epic tears were farmed then and now

Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium 295	Posted - 2013.02.17 18:19:00 - [51] - Quote GetShotUp wrote: Massdrivers are Call Of Dutie's Noobtubes and whoever thinks they're "good" because they spam massdrivers.....die. I learned that usually medics use MDs since they don't have time to use their gun so its easier for them to just spam a driver to give some cover/ create distraction. i guess thats okay, but my cousin is a medic and he does perfectly fine with an AR while healing, but he'll have no choice but to use a MD since that what other medics are diong. I messaged some p** who got in his dropship, landed on a roof and spammed his MD EVERYWHERE. Mainly at the CRU next to B on that one map (don't know name). He replied talking about "oooohhhh check the leaderboards in kills" lol MDs are cheap to begin with so when you use it in the cheapest way possible......so sad. I saw a thread about a guy breaking down how most people here have no game gun which is why tanking and MDs are convenient to them. Quote for the ***** truth. So sad how he got bashed, though. Anybody that simply spams with the mass driver won't last long. The assault mass driver can do that for longer but with half the damage per round. They create havoc for a bit but will quickly burn through a nano hive. Anybody causing that much irritation will be quickly targeted and taken out. I think most real MD gunners think about their shots as much as anybody because they know they have a limited amount of ammunition before reload. Yes, the weapon obscures through smoke and suppresses fire by disrupting aim. We have one weapon to fill that role.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2013.02.17 19:18:00 - [52] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: You clearly use Mass Driver. What you just typed makes absolutely no sense. You are saying AR does 387.5 dmg a second, what you are clearly failing to say after that is if EVERY single bullet from the clip hits target running around corners, boxes, ect. Mass Driver if somebody runs around a box you can still fire beside them for splash dmg. Also the AR doesn't fire fast enough to shoot all 60 bullets in a single second. Reiki Jubo wrote: All moot bcuz of accuracy. the AR user needs 2 keep his shots on target to get all of that dmg. ur assuming every one of the bullets hits. FAIL. potential damage is dumb bcuz the game doesnt work like that. to shoot more holes in your logic the MD user only has to hit within 4-6m of his target to do dmg. splash damage at range? only grenades do that and you cant spam those at one per second or target them either. 4-6m a huge area! so he doesnt even have to hit the target, he gets rewarded for being kind of close. again. crazy. even worse the MD is the only weapon in the game that suppresses. not even the forge can do that. in closing, since its direct damage is enormous, it doesnt get punished for missing and it suppresses it needs better balance. the self damage needs 2 be consistent when the shooter is inside the target range and the fire rate needs to come down to about 30 rpm. MD should be king of the 20-60m range. bad in CQC bcuz of slow fire rate and self dmg. I find it cute how people point out that the calculated AR dps is only acheived if you hit the target, WEL DUH!. If you can't hit the target to maximize your amazing dps potential, than that's YOUR FAULT for not being good enough at tracking and hitting targets. The AR is accurate, and hitscan (bullet hits target as soon as you pull the trigger, no travel time), the problem is you people need to get good. @XeroTheBigBoss: No, I'm an AR user, I only use militia crap and my free exile AR since I don't want to specialize for any weapon or dropsuit until the new weapons and dropsuits come, I did test the mass driver before though (i test every weapon and vehicle type). Where the hell did I say it can shoot 60 rounds per second? reread my post, its 12.5 shots per second (multiply by 31 damage). 750 RPM / 60 (60 secs per minute) = 12.5 RPS X 31 damage = 387.5 per seconds. 387.5 X 2 = 775 damage in 2 seconds. @Reiki Jubo: Hitting someone with only splash damage is not missing, its a deliberate method of doing damage since aiming for a direct hit has a high chance of failure. Direct damage is big, but its hard to get, much harder than getting 1 or 2 seconds of direct damage with an an AR (which I remind you dos much more damage anyway); considering that, I thing the suppression effect is fair. Forge gun is an anti-vehicle weapon, while mass driver is anti-infantry, so bad comparison.
Jack McReady A.C.M.E Corp 71	Posted - 2013.02.17 19:42:00 - [53] - Quote Tiel Syysch wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Tiel Syysch wrote: Mass driver hits too hard and is easy to aim. Been saying this for months now. I hope all the people who only expect to get assists with it continue to use it, though, so CCP will keep buffing it unnecessarily for me. How the hell is it easy to aim? Every try hitting something more than 10m away? I have I think an 11.8 KDR using the mass driver almost exclusively. I hit people regularly at 80+ meters. It's really not that hard for me. cool story bro, last time I saw you in a random pub match, you killed yourself with splash damage and lost the game hard with your "uber" mass driver.
Knight SoIaire Better Hide R Die 32	Posted - 2013.02.17 19:45:00 - [54] - Quote The only reason people complain about MDs is because its really the only thing that can take down ADV noobs effectively.
Tiel Syysch Imperfects Negative-Feedback 633	Posted - 2013.02.17 19:49:00 - [55] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Tiel Syysch wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Tiel Syysch wrote: Mass driver hits too hard and is easy to aim. Been saying this for months now. I hope all the people who only expect to get assists with it continue to use it, though, so CCP will keep buffing it unnecessarily for me. How the hell is it easy to aim? Every try hitting something more than 10m away? I have I think an 11.8 KDR using the mass driver almost exclusively. I hit people regularly at 80+ meters. It's really not that hard for me. cool story bro, last time I saw you in a random pub match, you killed yourself with splash damage and lost the game hard with your "uber" mass driver. The times I've killed myself with the mass driver I can still count on just one hand, and they're pretty much always the result of a laggy match where shots are delayed, so firing while going around walls becomes a gamble as to if the round is going to come out in time. Glad I could be the highlight of your Dust career, though. Can't say you've been memorable in the slightest.
Kreigs Jaeger Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 11	Posted - 2013.02.17 19:51:00 - [56] - Quote Another thoughtful post to be ignored, move along, nothing to see here. Aside from the obvious negatives that have been pointed out (Slow reload, self damage, high CPU/Power cost) I think I can expound on aiming a bit more. For every other weapon in the game, it's literally as simple as point and click. Their movement in relation to you is hardly relevant, all that matters is good LOS. For the mass driver, you have to take EVERYTHING regarding terrain and positioning into account considering you are calculating at least three things, relative height, speed of your round and target location prediction. Sure, your average dust bunnie can spam grenades at someone's feet 3 meters away, but a really good player with a mass driver has to be 3 times better than a good player with an AR or laser rifle. Every distance shot has to be calculated, not simply reacted to. You can't aim at a target and fire, you have to know where they will be, where you are and how that effects the shot, and how long it will take the round to get there considering the two.
Knight SoIaire Better Hide R Die 32	Posted - 2013.02.17 19:54:00 - [57] - Quote I think the skilled players (SKILLED players not a squad of Heavies Pubstomping) should do something, Skill into Scrambler Pistols, use two Complex Sidearm Modifiers, spend a whole day using them and then tommorrow we can see all the 'Nerf Scrambler Pistol, CCP!' threads
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2013.02.17 21:07:00 - [58] - Quote I shudder to think what a true master of the MD is capable of. I directly hit a sniper from a pretty good distance- someone damaged them before hand, but it finished them off. Damn lucky shot.
Tau5 Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 27	Posted - 2013.02.17 21:29:00 - [59] - Quote If you think the Mass Driver is OP, stop playing Dust 514. Really. This isn't the game for you. This is a game with different weapons and classes, with different skill levels and different roles. It is not Call of Duty, and it is not Battlefield 3. If you think that any weapon is OP, and your only reasoning is "it killed me," or "it's easy to use," then you need to uninstall Dust, buy Call of Duty, and shut up.
zeek1227 zeek1227 Blitzkrieg Co. 144	Posted - 2013.02.17 21:39:00 - [60] - Quote Tau5 wrote: If you think the Mass Driver is OP, stop playing Dust 514. Really. This isn't the game for you. This is a game with different weapons and classes, with different skill levels and different roles. It is not Call of Duty, and it is not Battlefield 3. If you think that any weapon is OP, and your only reasoning is "it killed me," or "it's easy to use," then you need to uninstall Dust, buy Call of Duty, and shut up. Hey buddy how about you gtfo basically what you are saying is we shouldnt provide feedback of a BETA PRODUCT which is what our job is!!!!!!!! I am not saying nerf it cuz i got killed i said i used it and it seemed overly easy to get kills without taking any damage so MAYBE it could be looked at So calm the hell down and read the post mmmmmkay?



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