My point wasn't about tanks, it is riddled with all the downs of a Swarm Launcher which I believe was your point and DS and LAV are just side arguments when really DS and LAV maybe should be the argument as the swarm itself has been shown to be everything from "too noob like" to completely useless to field. If it flies, you should be able to lock on. Waiting to lock is a downside. With being one shot sniped, avoiding the rock your hiding behind not getting in your way so you stand in the open, and not having a weapon in the process once your done, should you even hit it aim or not and do anything if a supply is around to switch to. Reload time, lack of carry capacity. (sure you could train thus it's not my role) All downers for me to ever use one.

I'm not against your point but I'd surely love to have 2 missles I can get off with the pull of a trigger (hit or not, that's a plus not a negative). Even if I miss, at least the tanker may think about it and it didn't cost me human sacrifice to get one shot off. If anything, I hope there are some swarm peeps that actually spec into it more, cuz against those tanks, Swarms need more damage. Or type of ammo option. I won't argue that sometimes those are the breaks on who you PUB. Add "rockets" and up the damage to Swarms for having to be sacrifical and "lock-on."

Because there shouldn't be an aim Bot in game. Derp.

Have you tried proto swarms? Or even the cbr swarms?

These make my 84% resist tank hurt every hit.

It also just does 300 HP damage, as far as i know. All you can do with is shoot at two different targets at same moment, maybe allowing to pull off those 40+ hits it takes in less time than militia ones.

The 'aim bot' is the reason why you can not shoot a swarm every second, on a gun that only works against non infantry, while forced to fight those 'others' with a secondary.

Game has the 'aim assist' on... on the default settings.I see no threads about those 'crutches'. How is this game about skill anyway, when most 'skill' is shown only by how long you have played.

Swarms barely blow away your 'wide load' sign, and now tank drivers should be able to dodge a few more? ...by default?
Takeing cover behind rocks and little poles does not require much skill either. Is this crutch for tanks less of an issue than letting Swarm player once in awhile shoot from behind cover, allowing missiles to track tanks even behind cover?

It also just does 300 HP damage, as far as i know. All you can do with is shoot at two different targets at same moment, maybe allowing to pull off those 40+ hits it takes in less time than militia ones.

It's 2 extra missiles, the 300 is per missile , so it goes from 1200 to 1800 without damage mods. I think...

No to manual aim just because I have to deal with infantry somehow. Manual aim would force me to go out in the open, we all know how that ends.

so, list me the pros and cons and we'll weigh them.

what about the forge gunners, yes they have a bigger buffer,
the AV grenaders? they have to be close with a nanohive.

The new plasma cannon won't be auto lock either and will be a light weapon.

Even with manual aim you will still be able to shoot at 400m, all you have to do is shoot, then hide. The only difference is, is you would actually have to aim, especially like i said before if we increased the speed of the swarms as well as damage.

Edit,

Even heavys can equip the swarms :) so ya, same as forge gun.

Why does everyone take this as a tank thread? -_- just wow.

there has been threads about the aim assist being on, however it has been stated this feature is broken.

When it works, will you QQ?

and no, they shouldn't be allowed to fire behind cover at 400m

Give me a list of cons for the swarms.

Weigh the balance, hell I'm even asking for a damage and splash buff with the dumbfire.

You realize how that would affect a tank at point blank range? obviously not, you'd rather hide behind a rock from a distance to "kill" the tank, DS, LAV without taking a real risk to your KDR.

so, list me the pros and cons and we'll weigh them.

Wrong..my militia swarms smash tanks all the time..lock on hide behind something shoot up auto lock does the work swarms take no skill at all

The issue is the other teams stupidity then, where are their infantry while you are hiding behind something? I never attack with a tank, unless I have infantry support. Swarms should not be nerfed to make up for lack of teamwork

Its an anti VEHICLE weapon, so i think tanks as one of the few possible targets should be include in this discussion.

Anyway, tanks should not be allow to just take hit after hit, without taking any damage while either, nor shold tanks be able to to take cover at 400m either, behind rocks and infantry, unwilling to risk his KDR.
SL user do not have any reliable weapon to deal with regular soldiers, he can not just run over the battlefield to have a clear sight off the tank, he can not jsut take ARs, HMGs etc without taking any notice, he does no even have the same speed.

SL easily give away position , it take forever to hit its target, forcing you to shoot at where you expect your target to be in 5 seconds or so. SL do not have any chance against regular soldier, unlike the forge gun or AF 'nades still allowing ARs etc. It does not have much ammo, allowing me to maybe play this wack-a-mole game with a tank driver, maybe anticipating him going backwards once he realized a Swarm being shot toward his direction. LAV are so ridiculously fast its prolly impossible to hit it at all. aslong i'm not right next to it, in which a AF nade is a much better option, especially considering my light weapon to deal with enemy infantry, just to get into this position. My team mates are no threat to you but yours are one to me.
To lauch those swarms i need to lock 'em on my target, which takes time, unlike the AF 'nades.

Trading a buff for dumbfire is an obvious nerf.

Apparently.

I mean jesus, 10m splash doing 1000+ damage to vehicles at the speed of a forge gun is totally a nerf.

Good luck when you can't hit them at a decent range(referring to all vehicles)

The OP, and those that agree with him, are just too deficient to understand that the changes they want made to the SWARM will make it a longer range and heavier damage weapon than a forge gun that can be carried by anyone regardless of suit.

And lock on tracking isn't auto aim. Saying that it is just displays gross ignorance.

Your right, its worse.

I wanted different thoughts on how to balance a dumbfire version,

but all you tools can do is troll and QQ about your auto hide feature may become no longer.

You make no sense, your telling me by making this manual fire, As fast as a forge shot, more damage, more splash,

that you don't have a reliable weapon to deal with enemy soldiers with too? again let me state,

Forge gunners, do they have a reliable weapon to deal with enemy soldiers?

I mean, I am asking for manual fire after all, bigger splash and more damage, but that wouldn't be as effective as an AR so lets leave it auto lock.

Swarms can be fit to heavys too, so don't reply with a bigger buffer statement.

These arguments aren't even coming close to giving me a good reason to have it auto lock still.

400m isn't decent enough range? I mean really.

Props to the forge guys who get those long distance shots then, guess its hard.