support classes are bad at video games?

willing to acknowledge that some players can be good

same deal with the mass driver, can't aim? use the gun that doesn't need precision aim. (i also suspect this is why we see so much overlap between logis and mass drivers) again, as a human being, i do not shame you. i respect you for being honest with yourself and trying to contribute, instead of trying to be cool (i still hate mass drivers but i don't BLAME the guy using it.)

Ye I think the OP has a bit of a superiorety complex about themselves . Its ok if you admit it to yourself ha I cant believe the arrogance . If your a logi dont help this **** and if your a tank blow the #### out of him

same deal with the mass driver, can't aim? use the gun that doesn't need precision aim. (i also suspect this is why we see so much overlap between logis and mass drivers) again, as a human being, i do not shame you. i respect you for being honest with yourself and trying to contribute, instead of trying to be cool (i still hate mass drivers but i don't BLAME the guy using it.)
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EDIT*

Let me make this absolutely clear:
I am hurt and offended by your post, were it about HAV's or Logis or Bad Players. No matter.

now don't anybody flip a **** here but this is gonna be a long one, and it's gonna start kind of offensive. i wanna state that i'm not trying to insult anyone, i'm just making a point/laying out a theory.

i think most HAV drivers are just bad at videogames. (obviously this doesn't apply to everyone. last night my squad destroyed 3-4 of protoman and his squadmates tanks and he still ended up like 15/0. i remember, because it's frustrating.)

think about all the, lets face it, bad players in logi suits. maybe they came from eve, or just never played a shooter before. (i feel like dust would attract some non shooter audience) they think to themselves "man, i'm getting my ass kicked. maybe if i play a logi i can still contribute until i get my bearings here in this new type of game" and i commend them for being honest with themselves.

same deal with the mass driver, can't aim? use the gun that doesn't need precision aim. (i also suspect this is why we see so much overlap between logis and mass drivers) again, as a human being, i do not shame you. i respect you for being honest with yourself and trying to contribute, instead of trying to be cool (i still hate mass drivers but i don't BLAME the guy using it.)

red line/mountaintop snipers: also generally bad at videogames. when has one killed you once you got up on him? how often do they hold still while you pump an entire magazine and a half into them (because they're right at the edge of your range. losing a lot of damage) with just iron sights. this is not good fps behavior?


Now i am willing to acknowledge that some players can be GOOD at that stuff i listed above, so i'm not trying to paint EVERYONE with the same brush. but comon... can we just be honest here and accept that for most cases what i've said is probably true?

this takes us to HAVs. there are certainly decent HAV guys out there, but i destroyed 5 HAVs tonight, and i almost had a sixth. (credit where it's due, did NOT expect you to run from the orbital strike INTO the red line. thought you would run towards me and my squad and we'd get you. not bad. but you totally got saved by the match ending!)

NONE of the HAVs we destroyed were even so much as MOVING when we killed them... one of them was inexplicably parked on top of one of MY supply depots? (thanks by the way, i don't think i could have gotten you otherwise...)

There was a thread on here a few days ago by a guy complaining he got killed by swarms. upon further investigation he actually got killed by an enemy tank, 2 turrets, a forge gunner, some av grenades, and FINISHED OFF BY some prototype aurum swarms. and he was running a shield booster on a madrugar? is it me?

i SUSPECT that "bad" players are specing into HAVs just like they spec into logi suits, mass drivers, and redline sniping because they expect to just trade isk for success. there's a reason MOST of the tank crying we've been seeing is coming from relatively unknown names, or "new tankers"

where's noc? i think he had one complaint about orbitals being unavoidable. (he's not wrong, they pretty much are. i'll never feel bad for a tanker though; the orbital that "might" kill a tank "will" kill infantry so we've got it worse.)

where's bad furry?

where's that other guy who's been crying so little i forgot their name? (This isn't a joke there WERE other "infamous" tankers. like that guy who was using an armor tank before it was cool, like several builds ago. or who had the first black ops HAV back when those still existed?)



So yah, that's my theory. and don't get me wrong, i don't think i'm that good, i'll bust out the logi suit myself, whatever. this isn't an e-peen thing, it's a "stop demanding wins and kills just because you threw isk at it" thing.

you might just suck. and CCP can't balance around suck, because if they buff suck up to not suck; competent ends up steamrolling for 3 builds. get out of your tank, and lets have a gunfight. you can probably beat me...

im terrible at this game

but a heavy, that is totally legit and requires a ton of skill to open the fountain of bullets into enemies.

EDIT

5-10 "Packed" AV grenades.....to kill 1 sica?? WTF.

Have you used AV Grenades? let alone packed.

you might just suck. and CCP can't balance around suck

Should have just named the thread "I have a theory about players of every role."

90% of the people in any given role are trash in the eyes of top tier players. Another 9% are what would be considered average. And then there's 0.9% that are good, well before you get to the great players. It's pretty much like this in any game, but my god, I think this is the lowest skilled player base I have ever seen. It doesn't matter the role, it's rare to see someone that looks like they know what they're doing.



Yet they're trying to.

Clearly they don't know the definition of "average" then. Unless they think their .9% somehow even out with the 95% "trash"(it might though, I've seen entire squads take out entire teams). The only reason elites exist, such as the imperfects, is because there are players of lesser skills out there for them to kill. If everybody was equally skilled then it would be almost impossible for anyone to go 20/30-0 in a match. Those people are simply freakishly good and they should not hold everybody else to their standard, let alone belittle others by calling them "trash".

they have a unnecessary self worth.
they probably think CCP should pay them to play the game because of their "skills", NEET people are what you expect in an FPS, the lowest common denominator of genre.

it's not even an "arcade" FPS so it doesn't even require real skill.

Or maybe they just like tanks.

I like mechs and aerospace fighters... *looks at watch*

Waiting sucks.

I think the general point is, we'd prefer it to be balanced around our skills, not the "trash" as you put it, and lower skilled player base as I will put it.

I just used the word that Tiel Syysch used. I prefer "lower skilled", seeing as I'm one of them lol

But yeah, matches are more entertaining when you go up against people of similar skill level, and if everyone improves, then all the better.

Honestly, earlier I sat my tank on letter C in that mountain map with 3 letters blah blah.

Their entire team almost went AV, but were just terrible.

Spawned right where I knew they were going to every time, over and over until we cloned them.

It was pathetic, they should have at least spawned elsewhere then tried some tactics lol.

Long story short, I went 55/0 that match

I think he's mad he can't be an Imperfect.

I Use a tank I also use a logi suit while in the tank and when I'm not in the tank I use a mass driver with flux nades.

with the logic of the OP im a scrub with no skill so maybe I should quit now.

:(

Clearly they don't know the definition of "average" then. Unless they think their .9% somehow evens out with the 95% "trash"(it might though, I've seen entire squads take out entire teams). The only reason elites exist, such as the imperfects, is because there are players of lesser skills out there for them to kill. If everybody was equally skilled then it would be almost impossible for anyone to go 20/30-0 in a match. Those people are simply freakishly good and they should not hold everybody else to their standard, let alone belittle others by calling them "trash".

LOL i was wondering when some of the tankers, Logies and MD bros were gonna beat this dudes post into the ground.

-snip-

Cant wait to give his name to all the poor tankers, Logies, MD in this game i know (cause if they drive a tank they suck right.). I say we all hunt this dude whenever possible.

it's not even an "arcade" FPS so it doesn't even require real skill.

DUST in general takes no skill.

now don't anybody flip a **** here but this is gonna be a long one, and it's gonna start kind of offensive. i wanna state that i'm not trying to insult anyone, i'm just making a point/laying out a theory.

i think most HAV drivers are just bad at videogames. (obviously this doesn't apply to everyone. last night my squad destroyed 3-4 of protoman and his squadmates tanks and he still ended up like 15/0. i remember, because it's frustrating.)

think about all the, lets face it, bad players in logi suits. maybe they came from eve, or just never played a shooter before. (i feel like dust would attract some non shooter audience) they think to themselves "man, i'm getting my ass kicked. maybe if i play a logi i can still contribute until i get my bearings here in this new type of game" and i commend them for being honest with themselves.

same deal with the mass driver, can't aim? use the gun that doesn't need precision aim. (i also suspect this is why we see so much overlap between logis and mass drivers) again, as a human being, i do not shame you. i respect you for being honest with yourself and trying to contribute, instead of trying to be cool (i still hate mass drivers but i don't BLAME the guy using it.)

red line/mountaintop snipers: also generally bad at videogames. when has one killed you once you got up on him? how often do they hold still while you pump an entire magazine and a half into them (because they're right at the edge of your range. losing a lot of damage) with just iron sights. this is not good fps behavior?


Now i am willing to acknowledge that some players can be GOOD at that stuff i listed above, so i'm not trying to paint EVERYONE with the same brush. but comon... can we just be honest here and accept that for most cases what i've said is probably true?

this takes us to HAVs. there are certainly decent HAV guys out there, but i destroyed 5 HAVs tonight, and i almost had a sixth. (credit where it's due, did NOT expect you to run from the orbital strike INTO the red line. thought you would run towards me and my squad and we'd get you. not bad. but you totally got saved by the match ending!)

NONE of the HAVs we destroyed were even so much as MOVING when we killed them... one of them was inexplicably parked on top of one of MY supply depots? (thanks by the way, i don't think i could have gotten you otherwise...)

There was a thread on here a few days ago by a guy complaining he got killed by swarms. upon further investigation he actually got killed by an enemy tank, 2 turrets, a forge gunner, some av grenades, and FINISHED OFF BY some prototype aurum swarms. and he was running a shield booster on a madrugar? is it me?

i SUSPECT that "bad" players are specing into HAVs just like they spec into logi suits, mass drivers, and redline sniping because they expect to just trade isk for success. there's a reason MOST of the tank crying we've been seeing is coming from relatively unknown names, or "new tankers"

where's noc? i think he had one complaint about orbitals being unavoidable. (he's not wrong, they pretty much are. i'll never feel bad for a tanker though; the orbital that "might" kill a tank "will" kill infantry so we've got it worse.)

where's bad furry?

where's that other guy who's been crying so little i forgot their name? (This isn't a joke there WERE other "infamous" tankers. like that guy who was using an armor tank before it was cool, like several builds ago. or who had the first black ops HAV back when those still existed?)



So yah, that's my theory. and don't get me wrong, i don't think i'm that good. this isn't an e-peen thing, it's a "stop demanding wins and kills just because you threw isk at it" thing.

you might just suck. and CCP can't balance around suck, because if they buff suck up to not suck; competent ends up steamrolling for 3 builds. get out of your tank, and lets have a gunfight. you can probably beat me...

You are outright wrong. There is the same distribution of bad and good players in every spec. But I don't talk about those 6 bad heavies I melted and declare heavies are naturally going to have the worst players.

Also Buzz, my complaint about OBs is still valid. Facing an unavoidable strike 2-4 times per match when the cheap vehicle is just at the cusp of break-even cost is clearly unbalanced. Same goes for prototype heavies and logistics, but at least they can switch out at a supply depot and have more cover options (and also don't show up without being spotted).

I'm bad at shooters, so I just shoot at people. Sometime I die, but when I don't... I shoot at people.

Yeaaah...
Boo, no points.
Everything in your post shines your superiority.

You are

oh and this:



You don't BLAME the guy using it? Because you RESPECT someone who ACKNOWLEDGES he's bad?

Oh my Lord.

EDIT*

Let me make this absolutely clear:
I am hurt and offended by your post, were it about HAV's or Logis or Bad Players. No matter.

Should have just named the thread "I have a theory about players of every role."



Yet they're trying to.

Dear OP,
I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.
I think your assesment of support roles is garbage. There is a reason all of the top teams have HAV's and logi's. The reason is that they are key to winning. I've played against "good" players with your mindset and you know what, i won those games. So you can take your k/d and your loss, beacuse you don't know the meaning of team and shove it. In your statement where you mention that bad players gravitate to these roles, it could be stated that bads gravitate to assualt roles beacuse they just want to improve thier k/d. I think that good players gravitate to logi and HAV roles beacuse they know that winning is overall more important than seeming like a bad player. Iogis and HAVs play to win not to impress. I would also like any logis or HAVs who end up playing with buzz to not help him, this includes people in his corp. Support is already a thankless role and for you to make such a statment, consider the guantlet thrown.
- Logi

Wheres bad furry? Sitting behind hellstorm on the redline as they advance. Then if he gets hit he pulls back further, THEN he waits for hellstorm to infantry av spam the enemy tank.

Its not difficult, most of the well known tankers arnt actually good. They allow the infantry to support them as opposed to them supporting infantry. When they come across an even match they freak, pull back and wait for their infantry to swarm the opposition

If you cant take another tank youre honestly trash. If you go blow for blow against an enemy tank without interference from an outside source, you should win. If not you need to respec, not rely on infantry to cover your ass 24/7. Ive seen alot of the "good tankers" get utterly annihilated on their own just because they are so used to piggy backing on infantry.

And Militia HAVs aren't free...

whatever guys. have fun missing the point because i'm apparently talking about YOU and YOU brought your feelings to the internet and they got hurt.

this was meant to be a response to all the "nerf forge guns, nerf swarm launchers, nerf av grenades" threads that have been popping up lately.

i've been playing this beta for about 9 months now, and they all remind me of the people who would "counter" heavies by charging straight into their HMGs then scream and cry about it.

or people who would call in free militia HAVs and then ***** and moan because they died.

sad fact, both those movements WORKED. heavies and AV equipment got nerfed. now we have a fresh batch of nooby tankers, and if they get their way the game will be worse off for it.


so no. this isn't me QQing about tanks or mass drivers or whatever the **** else you people have been trying to infer, this is simply my counterpoint to THEIR QQing about av equipment.

if you have such a problem with me trying to establish a general trend over the large sample size that is the entire game, then ignore that bit.

The way I see it is those who suck at flying choose to be a ground pounder to cover for their lack of skill.
All those who can't make a WP living in the incredibly challenging environment of the skies admit their poor skills and opt to stay on the ground. I can respect that. They can still contribute to the effort with thier little AR.



How does that sound?


The OP makes the same mistake so many do that come from your generic FPS, namely that the game revolves around the AR Assault role and everybody is measured against that yardstick.


DUST has many roles and they are all important. One does not choose one because they suck at "The One True Role". They choose a role that they enjoy. This is a game after all and we play it for fun. Too many people forget that.


The OP's bias toward the AR is evident in his dismissal of the MD as a noob weapon when in fact it requires far more aiming skill than the hit-scan AR.

oh god the monty python quotes

Its fine "tis but a scratch"
I love monty python btw but they can be weird at times

yah, but they WERE... and people still expected to wreck with them. and then they got all AV equipment nerfed

think about all the, lets face it, bad players in logi suits. maybe they came from eve, or just never played a shooter before. (i feel like dust would attract some non shooter audience) they think to themselves "man, i'm getting my ass kicked. maybe if i play a logi i can still contribute until i get my bearings here in this new type of game" and i commend them for being honest with themselves.

same deal with the mass driver, can't aim? use the gun that doesn't need precision aim. (i also suspect this is why we see so much overlap between logis and mass drivers) again, as a human being, i do not shame you. i respect you for being honest with yourself and trying to contribute, instead of trying to be cool (i still hate mass drivers but i don't BLAME the guy using it.).

I'm a logi with a mass driver.

First of all, I would like to say that the reason you mainly see MDs being used by logis is because there's so little ammo you need to be carting around a stack of nanohives (6 round clip, and you start with 12 rounds outside of the clip)

Second: I run logi because I'm always running with dumbass assaults with ARs, and heavies with HMGs. Because they suck, I profit from their mistakes with a repair tool and a nanite injector.

Mass drivers are harder to use than you AR scrubs think- I found in a thread I made that mass drivers are considered by posters up there with scrambler pistols as being the most skill intensive weapons. Try them. At close range, you have to avoid killing yourself, and learn when to stop shooting and start punching. At longer ranges, you have to deal with something much more difficult than with any other weapons- a firing arc, and a slow moving projectile. If you master this, you'll be able to kill really quickly with direct hits.
You also have to work on conserving ammo- like I said before, it's really easy to run out if you play like an AR scrub, and you have to be strategic with where and when you use your nanohives.

Not to mention the "skilled" assaults and heavies have minimal situational awareness, while being support means you have to watch everyone's ass- including your own.

Can't wait for the fighters, gunna be sick.

when they do come out, goodbye LR and Madrugar, Hello blue sky!

Blue sky is pretty rare atm. I can't wait until I can fly around with a minmatar fighter- nothing will be safe from what will probably be the fastest vehicle in dust.

And the most crashed

crashed into HAVs

or I'll just warp through the ground

First Id like to point out that at no point in this game have I seen anything that takes skill.....

The game either caters to the worst FPS players you can find. Either you spray a wall of bullets at people, you have stupid ass splash damage range, or you are sitting so far away they aren't a threat. Second the vehicles are paperweights. Look Tank **** it died. I mean I have 1 or 2 points in almost every weapon because I see no reason not to use them all, and I have a 2.5 KDR and generally come in top 5 on my team for WP, regardless of whether I run Logi, Sniper, Shotty, HMG, Assault or what have you.

So please don't act like this game takes skill in the slightest bit, I can use all the weapons because they are simple to use and made for the worst FPS players out there. This game will never be skill based and never has been, it's about gear and Aurum. Whoever has the Aurum **** is gonna win the majority of the time, even though they say Aurum gear doesn't give you an advantage is does. All the Aurum **** should be cosmetic, nothing more.

Anyway, Im done ranting. My whole point is HAV Drivers don't suck, Snipers don't suck, Logis don't suck. You can suck at a game that takes zero skill to play. Point spray bullets in general direction it dies....or shoot close to guy and my explosion will kill him. No skill game. Gear and Real Money wins.

now don't anybody flip a **** here but this is gonna be a long one, and it's gonna start kind of offensive. i wanna state that i'm not trying to insult anyone, i'm just making a point/laying out a theory.

i think most HAV drivers are just bad at videogames. (obviously this doesn't apply to everyone. last night my squad destroyed 3-4 of protoman and his squadmates tanks and he still ended up like 15/0. i remember, because it's frustrating.)

think about all the, lets face it, bad players in logi suits. maybe they came from eve, or just never played a shooter before. (i feel like dust would attract some non shooter audience) they think to themselves "man, i'm getting my ass kicked. maybe if i play a logi i can still contribute until i get my bearings here in this new type of game" and i commend them for being honest with themselves.

same deal with the mass driver, can't aim? use the gun that doesn't need precision aim. (i also suspect this is why we see so much overlap between logis and mass drivers) again, as a human being, i do not shame you. i respect you for being honest with yourself and trying to contribute, instead of trying to be cool (i still hate mass drivers but i don't BLAME the guy using it.)

red line/mountaintop snipers: also generally bad at videogames. when has one killed you once you got up on him? how often do they hold still while you pump an entire magazine and a half into them (because they're right at the edge of your range. losing a lot of damage) with just iron sights. this is not good fps behavior?


Now i am willing to acknowledge that some players can be GOOD at that stuff i listed above, so i'm not trying to paint EVERYONE with the same brush. but comon... can we just be honest here and accept that for most cases what i've said is probably true?

this takes us to HAVs. there are certainly decent HAV guys out there, but i destroyed 5 HAVs tonight, and i almost had a sixth. (credit where it's due, did NOT expect you to run from the orbital strike INTO the red line. thought you would run towards me and my squad and we'd get you. not bad. but you totally got saved by the match ending!)

NONE of the HAVs we destroyed were even so much as MOVING when we killed them... one of them was inexplicably parked on top of one of MY supply depots? (thanks by the way, i don't think i could have gotten you otherwise...)

There was a thread on here a few days ago by a guy complaining he got killed by swarms. upon further investigation he actually got killed by an enemy tank, 2 turrets, a forge gunner, some av grenades, and FINISHED OFF BY some prototype aurum swarms. and he was running a shield booster on a madrugar? is it me?

i SUSPECT that "bad" players are specing into HAVs just like they spec into logi suits, mass drivers, and redline sniping because they expect to just trade isk for success. there's a reason MOST of the tank crying we've been seeing is coming from relatively unknown names, or "new tankers"

where's noc? i think he had one complaint about orbitals being unavoidable. (he's not wrong, they pretty much are. i'll never feel bad for a tanker though; the orbital that "might" kill a tank "will" kill infantry so we've got it worse.)

where's bad furry?

where's that other guy who's been crying so little i forgot their name? (This isn't a joke there WERE other "infamous" tankers. like that guy who was using an armor tank before it was cool, like several builds ago. or who had the first black ops HAV back when those still existed?)



So yah, that's my theory. and don't get me wrong, i don't think i'm that good. this isn't an e-peen thing, it's a "stop demanding wins and kills just because you threw isk at it" thing.

you might just suck. and CCP can't balance around suck, because if they buff suck up to not suck; competent ends up steamrolling for 3 builds. get out of your tank, and lets have a gunfight. you can probably beat me...

Should have just named the thread "I have a theory about players of every role."

90% of the people in any given role are trash in the eyes of top tier players. Another 9% are what would be considered average. And then there's 0.9% that are good, well before you get to the great players. It's pretty much like this in any game, but my god, I think this is the lowest skilled player base I have ever seen. It doesn't matter the role, it's rare to see someone that looks like they know what they're doing.



Yet they're trying to.

LOL i was wondering when some of the tankers, Logies and MD bros were gonna beat this dudes post into the ground. Most good tankers and players have skills in FPS and this dude just made lots of enemies.

I love seeing the drama. Guy probably has less than 1.5 KDR or something. LOL. Cant wait to give his name to all the poor tankers, Logies, MD in this game i know (cause if they drive a tank they suck right.). I say we all hunt this dude whenever possible.

where's that other guy who's been crying so little i forgot their name? (This isn't a joke there WERE other "infamous" tankers. like that guy who was using an armor tank before it was cool, like several builds ago. or who had the first black ops HAV back when those still existed?

OP

Another pointless "my play style is better than your playstyle" thread.

In my opinion, HAV drivers are better at video games than you. Chess players find the best strategy to win for themselves. Same with any game, you always do what works out best for you. Making some kind of frustrated argument just points out the fact that you are terrible at this game because you can't formulate strategies that will defeat opponent, so you attack them socially; pointing out the immorality of thier position.

think about all the, lets face it, bad players in logi suits. maybe they came from eve, or just never played a shooter before. (i feel like dust would attract some non shooter audience) they think to themselves "man, i'm getting my ass kicked. maybe if i play a logi i can still contribute until i get my bearings here in this new type of game" and i commend them for being honest with themselves.