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Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.15 06:56:00 -
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now don't anybody flip a **** here but this is gonna be a long one, and it's gonna start kind of offensive. i wanna state that i'm not trying to insult anyone, i'm just making a point/laying out a theory.
i think most HAV drivers are just bad at videogames. (obviously this doesn't apply to everyone. last night my squad destroyed 3-4 of protoman and his squadmates tanks and he still ended up like 15/0. i remember, because it's frustrating.)
think about all the, lets face it, bad players in logi suits. maybe they came from eve, or just never played a shooter before. (i feel like dust would attract some non shooter audience) they think to themselves "man, i'm getting my ass kicked. maybe if i play a logi i can still contribute until i get my bearings here in this new type of game" and i commend them for being honest with themselves.
same deal with the mass driver, can't aim? use the gun that doesn't need precision aim. (i also suspect this is why we see so much overlap between logis and mass drivers) again, as a human being, i do not shame you. i respect you for being honest with yourself and trying to contribute, instead of trying to be cool (i still hate mass drivers but i don't BLAME the guy using it.)
red line/mountaintop snipers: also generally bad at videogames. when has one killed you once you got up on him? how often do they hold still while you pump an entire magazine and a half into them (because they're right at the edge of your range. losing a lot of damage) with just iron sights. this is not good fps behavior?
Now i am willing to acknowledge that some players can be GOOD at that stuff i listed above, so i'm not trying to paint EVERYONE with the same brush. but comon... can we just be honest here and accept that for most cases what i've said is probably true?
this takes us to HAVs. there are certainly decent HAV guys out there, but i destroyed 5 HAVs tonight, and i almost had a sixth. (credit where it's due, did NOT expect you to run from the orbital strike INTO the red line. thought you would run towards me and my squad and we'd get you. not bad. but you totally got saved by the match ending!)
NONE of the HAVs we destroyed were even so much as MOVING when we killed them... one of them was inexplicably parked on top of one of MY supply depots? (thanks by the way, i don't think i could have gotten you otherwise...)
There was a thread on here a few days ago by a guy complaining he got killed by swarms. upon further investigation he actually got killed by an enemy tank, 2 turrets, a forge gunner, some av grenades, and FINISHED OFF BY some prototype aurum swarms. and he was running a shield booster on a madrugar? is it me?
i SUSPECT that "bad" players are specing into HAVs just like they spec into logi suits, mass drivers, and redline sniping because they expect to just trade isk for success. there's a reason MOST of the tank crying we've been seeing is coming from relatively unknown names, or "new tankers"
where's noc? i think he had one complaint about orbitals being unavoidable. (he's not wrong, they pretty much are. i'll never feel bad for a tanker though; the orbital that "might" kill a tank "will" kill infantry so we've got it worse.)
where's bad furry?
where's that other guy who's been crying so little i forgot their name? (This isn't a joke there WERE other "infamous" tankers. like that guy who was using an armor tank before it was cool, like several builds ago. or who had the first black ops HAV back when those still existed?)
So yah, that's my theory. and don't get me wrong, i don't think i'm that good. this isn't an e-peen thing, it's a "stop demanding wins and kills just because you threw isk at it" thing.
you might just suck. and CCP can't balance around suck, because if they buff suck up to not suck; competent ends up steamrolling for 3 builds. get out of your tank, and lets have a gunfight. you can probably beat me... |
Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.15 07:11:00 -
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Necrodermis wrote:support classes are bad at video games?
see i feel like this is exactly the point i was trying NOT to make. i'm not saying all logis (or all anythings) are bad.
i'm just saying that players who CAN'T perform well in a standard gunfight, but can at least admit that to themselves, would tend to gravitate to the less direct gunfight roles. to "salvage" their efforts if you will.
the problem as i suspect it, is that many tankers are doing the same thing, yet THEY expect to dominate matches with their less direct gunfight role.
i feel like i tried to throw disclaimers all over this thing but on the off chance you're not trolling... there yah go. clarified as best i can. |
Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.15 07:55:00 -
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Repe Susi wrote:
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Let me make this absolutely clear:
I am hurt and offended by your post, were it about HAV's or Logis or Bad Players. No matter.
i apologize then, it was not my intent.
i was simply trying to give examples as to how certain players tend to gravitate towards certain roles; and just because a noobs tank got exploded, it doesn't mean the thing that exploded it is OP.
i almost always run with 3-4 guys, and we blow up a lot of tanks, we also FAIL to blow up a lot of tanks. the talent gap between these tankers is massive, and i don't want CCP to alter the game around the bottom rung of screaming tank drivers, because i believe it will break the game.
i understand i may have used some controversial lines of reasoning, but i think it's the closest analogue to the kind of people that call in a sica, park it in the middle of my team, and scream OP when 5-10 packed AV grenades kill it.
if anything my mistake is that i'm perhaps too closely equating "unskilled" with "dumb" so to that point; i acknowledge that we don't see a lot of redline snipers screaming for redline sniping buffs. not to mention i say several times in the op that i don't believe it applies to EVERYONE. |
Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.15 08:24:00 -
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Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:
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5-10 "Packed" AV grenades.....to kill 1 sica?? WTF.
Have you used AV Grenades? let alone packed.
i'm not saying that's how many it's gonna take.
i'm saying that's how many they're gonna get thrown at them if they're dumb enough to wade into an entire team. or at least SHOULD get thrown at them. |
Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.15 20:14:00 -
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whatever guys. have fun missing the point because i'm apparently talking about YOU and YOU brought your feelings to the internet and they got hurt.
this was meant to be a response to all the "nerf forge guns, nerf swarm launchers, nerf av grenades" threads that have been popping up lately.
i've been playing this beta for about 9 months now, and they all remind me of the people who would "counter" heavies by charging straight into their HMGs then scream and cry about it.
or people who would call in free militia HAVs and then ***** and moan because they died.
sad fact, both those movements WORKED. heavies and AV equipment got nerfed. now we have a fresh batch of nooby tankers, and if they get their way the game will be worse off for it.
so no. this isn't me QQing about tanks or mass drivers or whatever the **** else you people have been trying to infer, this is simply my counterpoint to THEIR QQing about av equipment.
if you have such a problem with me trying to establish a general trend over the large sample size that is the entire game, then ignore that bit. |
Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.15 20:20:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:And Militia HAVs aren't free...
yah, but they WERE... and people still expected to wreck with them. and then they got all AV equipment nerfed |
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