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Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.15 06:56:00 -
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now don't anybody flip a **** here but this is gonna be a long one, and it's gonna start kind of offensive. i wanna state that i'm not trying to insult anyone, i'm just making a point/laying out a theory.
i think most HAV drivers are just bad at videogames. (obviously this doesn't apply to everyone. last night my squad destroyed 3-4 of protoman and his squadmates tanks and he still ended up like 15/0. i remember, because it's frustrating.)
think about all the, lets face it, bad players in logi suits. maybe they came from eve, or just never played a shooter before. (i feel like dust would attract some non shooter audience) they think to themselves "man, i'm getting my ass kicked. maybe if i play a logi i can still contribute until i get my bearings here in this new type of game" and i commend them for being honest with themselves.
same deal with the mass driver, can't aim? use the gun that doesn't need precision aim. (i also suspect this is why we see so much overlap between logis and mass drivers) again, as a human being, i do not shame you. i respect you for being honest with yourself and trying to contribute, instead of trying to be cool (i still hate mass drivers but i don't BLAME the guy using it.)
red line/mountaintop snipers: also generally bad at videogames. when has one killed you once you got up on him? how often do they hold still while you pump an entire magazine and a half into them (because they're right at the edge of your range. losing a lot of damage) with just iron sights. this is not good fps behavior?
Now i am willing to acknowledge that some players can be GOOD at that stuff i listed above, so i'm not trying to paint EVERYONE with the same brush. but comon... can we just be honest here and accept that for most cases what i've said is probably true?
this takes us to HAVs. there are certainly decent HAV guys out there, but i destroyed 5 HAVs tonight, and i almost had a sixth. (credit where it's due, did NOT expect you to run from the orbital strike INTO the red line. thought you would run towards me and my squad and we'd get you. not bad. but you totally got saved by the match ending!)
NONE of the HAVs we destroyed were even so much as MOVING when we killed them... one of them was inexplicably parked on top of one of MY supply depots? (thanks by the way, i don't think i could have gotten you otherwise...)
There was a thread on here a few days ago by a guy complaining he got killed by swarms. upon further investigation he actually got killed by an enemy tank, 2 turrets, a forge gunner, some av grenades, and FINISHED OFF BY some prototype aurum swarms. and he was running a shield booster on a madrugar? is it me?
i SUSPECT that "bad" players are specing into HAVs just like they spec into logi suits, mass drivers, and redline sniping because they expect to just trade isk for success. there's a reason MOST of the tank crying we've been seeing is coming from relatively unknown names, or "new tankers"
where's noc? i think he had one complaint about orbitals being unavoidable. (he's not wrong, they pretty much are. i'll never feel bad for a tanker though; the orbital that "might" kill a tank "will" kill infantry so we've got it worse.)
where's bad furry?
where's that other guy who's been crying so little i forgot their name? (This isn't a joke there WERE other "infamous" tankers. like that guy who was using an armor tank before it was cool, like several builds ago. or who had the first black ops HAV back when those still existed?)
So yah, that's my theory. and don't get me wrong, i don't think i'm that good. this isn't an e-peen thing, it's a "stop demanding wins and kills just because you threw isk at it" thing.
you might just suck. and CCP can't balance around suck, because if they buff suck up to not suck; competent ends up steamrolling for 3 builds. get out of your tank, and lets have a gunfight. you can probably beat me... |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.02.15 07:05:00 -
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support classes are bad at video games? |
Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.15 07:11:00 -
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Necrodermis wrote:support classes are bad at video games?
see i feel like this is exactly the point i was trying NOT to make. i'm not saying all logis (or all anythings) are bad.
i'm just saying that players who CAN'T perform well in a standard gunfight, but can at least admit that to themselves, would tend to gravitate to the less direct gunfight roles. to "salvage" their efforts if you will.
the problem as i suspect it, is that many tankers are doing the same thing, yet THEY expect to dominate matches with their less direct gunfight role.
i feel like i tried to throw disclaimers all over this thing but on the off chance you're not trolling... there yah go. clarified as best i can. |
Repe Susi
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.15 07:28:00 -
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Yeaaah... Boo, no points. Everything in your post shines your superiority.
You are Quote:willing to acknowledge that some players can be good
oh and this:
Quote: same deal with the mass driver, can't aim? use the gun that doesn't need precision aim. (i also suspect this is why we see so much overlap between logis and mass drivers) again, as a human being, i do not shame you. i respect you for being honest with yourself and trying to contribute, instead of trying to be cool (i still hate mass drivers but i don't BLAME the guy using it.)
You don't BLAME the guy using it? Because you RESPECT someone who ACKNOWLEDGES he's bad?
Oh my Lord.
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Let me make this absolutely clear: I am hurt and offended by your post, were it about HAV's or Logis or Bad Players. No matter. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.15 07:33:00 -
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I'm bad at shooters, so I just shoot at people. Sometimes I die, but when I don't... I shoot at people. |
slap26
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.15 07:33:00 -
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im terrible at this game
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pegasis prime
The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.02.15 07:48:00 -
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Ye I think the OP has a bit of a superiorety complex about themselves . Its ok if you admit it to yourself ha I cant believe the arrogance . If your a logi dont help this **** and if your a tank blow the #### out of him |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.02.15 07:52:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:Ye I think the OP has a bit of a superiorety complex about themselves . Its ok if you admit it to yourself ha I cant believe the arrogance . If your a logi dont help this **** and if your a tank blow the #### out of him but tanks take effort to destroy so that means only scrubs use them.
but a heavy, that is totally legit and requires a ton of skill to open the fountain of bullets into enemies. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.02.15 07:54:00 -
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Buzzwords wrote: same deal with the mass driver, can't aim? use the gun that doesn't need precision aim. (i also suspect this is why we see so much overlap between logis and mass drivers) again, as a human being, i do not shame you. i respect you for being honest with yourself and trying to contribute, instead of trying to be cool (i still hate mass drivers but i don't BLAME the guy using it.) .
If you can't prevent yourself from being offensive then I can't help flipping a *****.
Your Statement: Mass Drivers require no aim.
Let's analyze this, shall we?
I use a the mass driver, a lot. I also use scrambler pistols frequently. But you're saying that a weapon that moves incredibly slow takes no aim? That is the case for some players, but the Mass Driver requires foresight and strategy, more than your point and shoot AR. So just because it doesn't need skill to aim, it sure requires thought, especially since it has so little ammo. So don't rant on a weapon just because it doesn't require a dead-eye. And not everyone using the mass driver has bad aim, which I'm sure you're abundantly aware of. So your statement is true but in the wrong tone. |
Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.15 07:55:00 -
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Repe Susi wrote: EDIT*
Let me make this absolutely clear: I am hurt and offended by your post, were it about HAV's or Logis or Bad Players. No matter.
i apologize then, it was not my intent.
i was simply trying to give examples as to how certain players tend to gravitate towards certain roles; and just because a noobs tank got exploded, it doesn't mean the thing that exploded it is OP.
i almost always run with 3-4 guys, and we blow up a lot of tanks, we also FAIL to blow up a lot of tanks. the talent gap between these tankers is massive, and i don't want CCP to alter the game around the bottom rung of screaming tank drivers, because i believe it will break the game.
i understand i may have used some controversial lines of reasoning, but i think it's the closest analogue to the kind of people that call in a sica, park it in the middle of my team, and scream OP when 5-10 packed AV grenades kill it.
if anything my mistake is that i'm perhaps too closely equating "unskilled" with "dumb" so to that point; i acknowledge that we don't see a lot of redline snipers screaming for redline sniping buffs. not to mention i say several times in the op that i don't believe it applies to EVERYONE. |
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Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
441
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Posted - 2013.02.15 08:03:00 -
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I think he's mad he can't be an Imperfect.
No offense OP.
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5-10 "Packed" AV grenades.....to kill 1 sica?? WTF.
Have you used AV Grenades? let alone packed. |
Boomer Dues Mortis
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.15 08:04:00 -
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Buzzwords wrote:now don't anybody flip a **** here but this is gonna be a long one, and it's gonna start kind of offensive. i wanna state that i'm not trying to insult anyone, i'm just making a point/laying out a theory.
i think most HAV drivers are just bad at videogames. (obviously this doesn't apply to everyone. last night my squad destroyed 3-4 of protoman and his squadmates tanks and he still ended up like 15/0. i remember, because it's frustrating.)
think about all the, lets face it, bad players in logi suits. maybe they came from eve, or just never played a shooter before. (i feel like dust would attract some non shooter audience) they think to themselves "man, i'm getting my ass kicked. maybe if i play a logi i can still contribute until i get my bearings here in this new type of game" and i commend them for being honest with themselves.
same deal with the mass driver, can't aim? use the gun that doesn't need precision aim. (i also suspect this is why we see so much overlap between logis and mass drivers) again, as a human being, i do not shame you. i respect you for being honest with yourself and trying to contribute, instead of trying to be cool (i still hate mass drivers but i don't BLAME the guy using it.)
red line/mountaintop snipers: also generally bad at videogames. when has one killed you once you got up on him? how often do they hold still while you pump an entire magazine and a half into them (because they're right at the edge of your range. losing a lot of damage) with just iron sights. this is not good fps behavior?
Now i am willing to acknowledge that some players can be GOOD at that stuff i listed above, so i'm not trying to paint EVERYONE with the same brush. but comon... can we just be honest here and accept that for most cases what i've said is probably true?
this takes us to HAVs. there are certainly decent HAV guys out there, but i destroyed 5 HAVs tonight, and i almost had a sixth. (credit where it's due, did NOT expect you to run from the orbital strike INTO the red line. thought you would run towards me and my squad and we'd get you. not bad. but you totally got saved by the match ending!)
NONE of the HAVs we destroyed were even so much as MOVING when we killed them... one of them was inexplicably parked on top of one of MY supply depots? (thanks by the way, i don't think i could have gotten you otherwise...)
There was a thread on here a few days ago by a guy complaining he got killed by swarms. upon further investigation he actually got killed by an enemy tank, 2 turrets, a forge gunner, some av grenades, and FINISHED OFF BY some prototype aurum swarms. and he was running a shield booster on a madrugar? is it me?
i SUSPECT that "bad" players are specing into HAVs just like they spec into logi suits, mass drivers, and redline sniping because they expect to just trade isk for success. there's a reason MOST of the tank crying we've been seeing is coming from relatively unknown names, or "new tankers"
where's noc? i think he had one complaint about orbitals being unavoidable. (he's not wrong, they pretty much are. i'll never feel bad for a tanker though; the orbital that "might" kill a tank "will" kill infantry so we've got it worse.)
where's bad furry?
where's that other guy who's been crying so little i forgot their name? (This isn't a joke there WERE other "infamous" tankers. like that guy who was using an armor tank before it was cool, like several builds ago. or who had the first black ops HAV back when those still existed?)
So yah, that's my theory. and don't get me wrong, i don't think i'm that good, i'll bust out the logi suit myself, whatever. this isn't an e-peen thing, it's a "stop demanding wins and kills just because you threw isk at it" thing.
you might just suck. and CCP can't balance around suck, because if they buff suck up to not suck; competent ends up steamrolling for 3 builds. get out of your tank, and lets have a gunfight. you can probably beat me...
I have to disagree with your statement above Op reasons being these.
1. During the first couple months in bf3 I was in a tank around 50% of the time, the reason for it is because I loved being in the tank. Was I a bad player no my k/d throughout bf3 has hovered around 3.7 with a 700+ spm, I played the objective and my gun game was just as good as my tank game. People do it because maybe they enjoy it. I was also a medic the entire time in bf3 because I liked to heal people.
2. Saying that most HAV drivers are bad players I think is incorrect how you stated it. I look at it almost like take all the tank guys and the same percentage are probably good with a tank as the same percentage that are good with the gun game. Most people are not going to be very great at either aspect and they tie into each other. The only difference is what that person prefers to play as.
Saying that logi's are typically bad players is also foolish imo. That is just what they want to play as and think about it for a moment, the reason you see so many logi's with mass drivers is because it is a dispersion weapon. People try and get away giving the logi time to heal and the guy he is healing time to kill those guys trying to avoid the MD rounds. |
Free Beers
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.15 08:06:00 -
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slap26 wrote:im terrible at this game
You are and should feel bad for it |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.15 08:22:00 -
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Necrodermis wrote:
but a heavy, that is totally legit and requires a ton of skill to open the fountain of bullets into enemies.
It's harder than it looks :P
Edit: My my only problem with tanks is that my team tends to be full of retards and not only do I end up being the only one trying to bring the tank down, but nobody ever tries to defend me from random infantry oTL |
Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.15 08:24:00 -
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Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: EDIT
5-10 "Packed" AV grenades.....to kill 1 sica?? WTF.
Have you used AV Grenades? let alone packed.
i'm not saying that's how many it's gonna take.
i'm saying that's how many they're gonna get thrown at them if they're dumb enough to wade into an entire team. or at least SHOULD get thrown at them. |
KripnawtiQ Prime
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.15 08:28:00 -
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There's so much AV in the game now I'm suprised anybody cries about tanks anymore. I seldom see a tank last more than a few minutes now that the game has a trick or treat forge gun fit. |
Tiel Syysch
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
634
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Posted - 2013.02.15 08:31:00 -
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Should have just named the thread "I have a theory about players of every role."
90% of the people in any given role are trash in the eyes of top tier players. Another 9% are what would be considered average. And then there's 0.9% that are good, well before you get to the great players. It's pretty much like this in any game, but my god, I think this is the lowest skilled player base I have ever seen. It doesn't matter the role, it's rare to see someone that looks like they know what they're doing.
Buzzwords wrote:you might just suck. and CCP can't balance around suck
Yet they're trying to. |
Sontie
VENGEANCE FOR HIRE
95
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Posted - 2013.02.15 08:50:00 -
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I have two main characters, a Mass Driver and a Tanker. And I agree with you in general. But you got to remember that the ar fps style of play isn't the only style. Running a good logi, infantry support tank, tactical support sniper, squad core heavy, are denial mass driver, cqc shotty, sneaky hacker scout, etc, all require different mindsets/player skills. Personally, I have bad habits when I play AR (one man army) that I can better avoid with my MD. And I have a 6th sense for projectile trajectory. Still, I think you're right 90% of the time. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
244
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Posted - 2013.02.15 09:09:00 -
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Tiel Syysch wrote:Should have just named the thread "I have a theory about players of every role." 90% of the people in any given role are trash in the eyes of top tier players. Another 9% are what would be considered average. And then there's 0.9% that are good, well before you get to the great players. It's pretty much like this in any game, but my god, I think this is the lowest skilled player base I have ever seen. It doesn't matter the role, it's rare to see someone that looks like they know what they're doing. Buzzwords wrote:you might just suck. and CCP can't balance around suck Yet they're trying to.
Clearly they don't know the definition of "average" then. Unless they think their .9% somehow evens out with the 95% "trash"(it might though, I've seen entire squads take out entire teams). The only reason elites exist, such as the imperfects, is because there are players of lesser skills out there for them to kill. If everybody was equally skilled then it would be almost impossible for anyone to go 20/30-0 in a match. Those people are simply freakishly good and they should not hold everybody else to their standard, let alone belittle others by calling them "trash". |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.02.15 09:11:00 -
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You're right, I have specialized into HAVs, and I run Logi suit, but I don't think I'm bad at video games.
First of all I only bring out my HAV maybe 10% of the time at the very most. I'm not the kind of HAV pilot who needs to bring it out because that's my only way to do well...I only call in the HAV when I feel there is a tactical need for it on the battlefield (ie other vehicles, the need to break through a tough line of defense, sensor support, ect).
The other 90% of the time I run in a logistics suit which is set up for a more medical role than assault (I'm not one of those guys who runs around with Complex Damage Modifiers on, I tend to be a little more defense oriented with my fits). I'd say 95% of the time I'm top score for WP which isn't hard to do if you're a logi who knows what he's doing...I like to think I'm one of those logis. Now does the fact that I prefer a support role make me BAD at video games? I don't think so. We are a necessary part of the team, we're the ones throwing down hives and picking you back up and keeping your HMGs spinning.
Do some people play Logi because they're gun game isn't that up to par? Probably, but that's ok, they're helping anyways and that's what matters in my mind. However I don't think this is the majority. I think most people, like me, simply have the mindset where they love that support role. Doesn't mean we suck at games, in fact I often score in the top 5 for kills, even though I'm really focusing on medic support.
But back to the HAVs. Like I said before, I dont bring them out every match, I'm not like some of the corps out there that are fielding HAVs every chance they get. I see the role as something that is sometimes needed to fill a certain roll on the battlefield at certain times...for me my favorite part is using it for AV....HAV vs HAV duels are some of the most exciting parts of Dust for me, so that's where I get my enjoyment from it aside from supporting my infantry.
Just as a side note, another reason Logi is a good fit for HAV drivers when they're not in a tank, is because you can be a reasonably effective Medic without much SP investment, and when you're really focusing your SP progression on vehicles, its an obvious choice when you're on foot.
I know you said that your analysis was rather broad and did not encompass all HAV drivers, and I think you for at least having the insight to admit that. However, as one of those who falls outside your generalization, I think your generalization is a bit too broad and harsh. Driving an HAV is easy...but doing it well takes quite a bit of skill and high levels of situational awareness. People who park their HAVs next to an enemy controlled supply depot deserve to die, they're idiots. Same thing goes for HAVs that sit anywhere without moving for too long...they're just asking to be destroyed. The good pilots are smarter and more conservative...they're not smashing though enemy times at full tilt...they're being smart and moving with caution. So I will agree that there are a lot of REALLY stupid HAV pilots out there...but there are more good ones than you give them credit for. |
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Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
460
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Posted - 2013.02.15 09:38:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote: Clearly they don't know the definition of "average" then. Unless they think their .9% somehow even out with the 95% "trash"(it might though, I've seen entire squads take out entire teams). The only reason elites exist, such as the imperfects, is because there are players of lesser skills out there for them to kill. If everybody was equally skilled then it would be almost impossible for anyone to go 20/30-0 in a match. Those people are simply freakishly good and they should not hold everybody else to their standard, let alone belittle others by calling them "trash".
they have a unnecessary self worth. they probably think CCP should pay them to play the game because of their "skills", NEET people are what you expect in an FPS, the lowest common denominator of genre.
it's not even an "arcade" FPS so it doesn't even require real skill. |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
283
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Posted - 2013.02.15 09:48:00 -
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Or maybe they just like tanks.
I like mechs and aerospace fighters... *looks at watch*
Waiting sucks. |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
441
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Posted - 2013.02.15 09:49:00 -
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Necrodermis wrote:Sloth9230 wrote: Clearly they don't know the definition of "average" then. Unless they think their .9% somehow even out with the 95% "trash"(it might though, I've seen entire squads take out entire teams). The only reason elites exist, such as the imperfects, is because there are players of lesser skills out there for them to kill. If everybody was equally skilled then it would be almost impossible for anyone to go 20/30-0 in a match. Those people are simply freakishly good and they should not hold everybody else to their standard, let alone belittle others by calling them "trash".
they have a unnecessary self worth. they probably think CCP should pay them to play the game because of their "skills", NEET people are what you expect in an FPS, the lowest common denominator of genre. it's not even an "arcade" FPS so it doesn't even require real skill.
I think the general point is, we'd prefer it to be balanced around our skills, not the "trash" as you put it, and lower skilled player base as I will put it. |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
441
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Posted - 2013.02.15 09:49:00 -
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iceyburnz wrote:Or maybe they just like tanks.
I like mechs and aerospace fighters... *looks at watch*
Waiting sucks.
Can't wait for the fighters, gunna be sick.
when they do come out, goodbye LR and Madrugar, Hello blue sky! |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
244
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Posted - 2013.02.15 09:58:00 -
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Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:
I think the general point is, we'd prefer it to be balanced around our skills, not the "trash" as you put it, and lower skilled player base as I will put it.
I just used the word that Tiel Syysch used. I prefer "lower skilled", seeing as I'm one of them lol
But yeah, matches are more entertaining when you go up against people of similar skill level, and if everyone improves, then all the better. |
KalOfTheRathi
CowTek
168
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Posted - 2013.02.15 10:00:00 -
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What are Buzzwords?
For myself it normally means nonsense crap dumped on someone to confuse them about the fact that the lies of ill mannered brain dead Kitten Eating Slime trying to sell garbage while pretending it is the good stuff?
Those kind of Buzzwords seems to fit you pretty much like a glove filled to over flowing with Kitten Squeezings.
So, everybody that doesn't play like you is less than you.
Everybody that can kick your butt is somehow deficient in a manner your limited brain stem functionality cannot comprehend.
Now you are presenting this drivel as justification for your failure: As a Merc, a Player, a Human and everything else.
I have scraped better things than you off my boot. |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
441
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Posted - 2013.02.15 10:03:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:
I think the general point is, we'd prefer it to be balanced around our skills, not the "trash" as you put it, and lower skilled player base as I will put it.
I just used the word that Tiel Syysch used. I prefer "lower skilled", seeing as I'm one of them lol But yeah, matches are more entertaining when you go up against people of similar skill level, and if everyone improves, then all the better.
Honestly, earlier I sat my tank on letter C in that mountain map with 3 letters blah blah.
Their entire team almost went AV, but were just terrible.
Spawned right where I knew they were going to every time, over and over until we cloned them.
It was pathetic, they should have at least spawned elsewhere then tried some tactics lol.
Long story short, I went 55/0 that match |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
244
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Posted - 2013.02.15 10:18:00 -
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Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:
I think the general point is, we'd prefer it to be balanced around our skills, not the "trash" as you put it, and lower skilled player base as I will put it.
I just used the word that Tiel Syysch used. I prefer "lower skilled", seeing as I'm one of them lol But yeah, matches are more entertaining when you go up against people of similar skill level, and if everyone improves, then all the better. Honestly, earlier I sat my tank on letter C in that mountain map with 3 letters blah blah. Their entire team almost went AV, but were just terrible. Spawned right where I knew they were going to every time, over and over until we cloned them. It was pathetic, they should have at least spawned elsewhere then tried some tactics lol. Long story short, I went 55/0 that match
I remember when I used to spawn at an objective thinking I could catch the trespassers of guard, how foolish I was.. that was like 5 days ago |
Rick-Grimes
FIND CARL CORP
1
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Posted - 2013.02.15 10:24:00 -
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DUST in general takes no skill. |
Sir Meode
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
317
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Posted - 2013.02.15 10:30:00 -
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I Use a tank I also use a logi suit while in the tank and when I'm not in the tank I use a mass driver with flux nades.
with the logic of the OP im a scrub with no skill so maybe I should quit now.
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