DUST Search - Protosuits, Is now the time?

Bojo The Mighty wrote:

Titus Stryker wrote:

Bojo The Mighty wrote:

xAckie wrote:

Bojo The Mighty wrote:

If you're asking this, then you are not ready. Also I'm predicting that weaponry aside, you've yet to do the 4 primary skills. You who know, know what.

what are the 4 primary skills?

If you say shields and mechanics for example, I would say your wrong. Suits out trump them. Then again, I guess it depends on your play style.

Weaponry aside, they are Field Mechanics, Shield Control, Circuitry, and Combat Engineering. They are like the gateway skills to all other skills and provide the most beneficial bonuses.

How much would your Proto suit be worth with nothing but militia modules?

Disagree and here's why:

For vehicles, it makes a big difference, for suits...not so much.

Ask yourself what is 5% of my base shield or base armor...? If your base armor is 175, and you add 25% to that, you get 43.75 extra base armor...that is basically two bullets...are you are telling me that 2 bullets are worth 300,000 SP. Shield control is an even bigger discrepancy as it costs what, 1.2M SP for a two bullet boost to your shield.

Heavy T1 and Heavy T2 is a bit of a different story as as your 5% increase is larger due to the large base numbers.

but these skills allow you to fit better mods and more intensive mods/weapons

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IRuby Heart DIOS EX. 326	Posted - 2013.02.12 03:12:00 - [1] - Quote Is now the best time for us to be Skilling up into our Dropsuits to get our Prototype gear? I've already got my AR operation to level 4 and weaponry to level 5 and shield enhancements to level 3. I think it would be best to take advantage of the current SP system earning 400,000-500,000 SP a week. and get the most expensive skill to level 5 while we still can before CCP drastically reduces the amount of SP earned from matches or reduces the cap.
Elijah Sol' Dzusaki Onward Defrosted Tuna Team 485	Posted - 2013.02.12 03:14:00 - [2] - Quote Do what ever you want. Weaponry to five should be everyones first goal. IMO
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.12 03:15:00 - [3] - Quote Elijah Sol' Dzusaki wrote: Do what ever you want. Weaponry to five should be everyones first goal. IMO Quoted for knowing what he's talkin' bout.
Ner'Zul Nexhawk Talos Incorporated 153	Posted - 2013.02.12 03:16:00 - [4] - Quote I've used the new system already to skill up to advanced Logi dropsuit in a week, so I don't see why not... Although, I'd suggest skilling shield enhancements to level 4, complex extenders are drastically different from enhanced ones.
Kwik Draw Traitors Function 4	Posted - 2013.02.12 03:17:00 - [5] - Quote hmmm protosuit is that one mean one u dont have to buy each time???
Elijah Sol' Dzusaki Onward Defrosted Tuna Team 485	Posted - 2013.02.12 03:18:00 - [6] - Quote Kwik Draw wrote: hmmm protosuit is that one mean one u dont have to buy each time??? Proto is the top tier.
Kwik Draw Traitors Function 4	Posted - 2013.02.12 03:19:00 - [7] - Quote Elijah Sol' Dzusaki wrote: Kwik Draw wrote: hmmm protosuit is that one mean one u dont have to buy each time??? Proto is the top tier. thnx for fast response... i hate buying my suit each life but i understand the concept... i sitll make cash so its cool i guess.
IRuby Heart DIOS EX. 326	Posted - 2013.02.12 03:49:00 - [8] - Quote Elijah Sol' Dzusaki wrote: Do what ever you want. Weaponry to five should be everyones first goal. IMO Sorry, I do have my weaponry to level 5, I agree.
Greasepalms Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 70	Posted - 2013.02.12 04:13:00 - [9] - Quote it seems a bit early for people to be using proto gear already, I dunno, it only has been a month since the reset. I'm not complaining, I've got my ADV suit already, just sayin'.
Washlee UnReaL. 131	Posted - 2013.02.12 04:16:00 - [10] - Quote 1.2M SP just for T5 dropsuit of ______ class. I think its alittle over priced.

Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 428	Posted - 2013.02.12 04:22:00 - [11] - Quote If you're asking this, then you are not ready. Also I'm predicting that weaponry aside, you've yet to do the 4 primary skills. You who know, know what.
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 432	Posted - 2013.02.12 04:24:00 - [12] - Quote Kwik Draw wrote: Elijah Sol' Dzusaki wrote: Kwik Draw wrote: hmmm protosuit is that one mean one u dont have to buy each time??? Proto is the top tier. thnx for fast response... i hate buying my suit each life but i understand the concept... i sitll make cash so its cool i guess. you will hate dying in proto, you can buy a ship in EVE for the price of proto
xAckie Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 125	Posted - 2013.02.12 12:06:00 - [13] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: If you're asking this, then you are not ready. Also I'm predicting that weaponry aside, you've yet to do the 4 primary skills. You who know, know what. what are the 4 primary skills? If you say shields and mechanics for example, I would say your wrong. Suits out trump them. Then again, I guess it depends on your play style.
Tectonious Falcon The Southern Legion 395	Posted - 2013.02.12 12:09:00 - [14] - Quote xAckie wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: If you're asking this, then you are not ready. Also I'm predicting that weaponry aside, you've yet to do the 4 primary skills. You who know, know what. what are the 4 primary skills? If you say shields and mechanics for example, I would say your wrong. Suits out trump them. Then again, I guess it depends on your play style. Suits out trump nothing. Modules, weapons and skills out trump everything.
Imp Smash On The Brink 51	Posted - 2013.02.12 12:19:00 - [15] - Quote No. Other drop suit options are to be implemented. No point in marrying yourself to an option when something you like better might come out.
Ner'Zul Nexhawk Talos Incorporated 153	Posted - 2013.02.12 12:22:00 - [16] - Quote xAckie wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: If you're asking this, then you are not ready. Also I'm predicting that weaponry aside, you've yet to do the 4 primary skills. You who know, know what. what are the 4 primary skills? If you say shields and mechanics for example, I would say your wrong. Suits out trump them. Then again, I guess it depends on your play style. Logi suits don't have any discrepancies in HP of different tiers; thus, Shield Control and Mechanics ought to be very useful for them. But you can also fit, say, 3 complex shield extenders on an advanced Logi suit. I have yet to test out my survivability in a fit like that.
Gaechti BetaMax. 71	Posted - 2013.02.12 12:52:00 - [17] - Quote IMHO: Proto gear is not worth it till you have complex dmg mods, complex shield extenders and complex shield regualtors to fit on them. And to be able to fit all the complex ones, you need circuitry 5 and some CPU lowering skills too. Dont forget important skills like shield control and field mechanics too. Like lvl2 in shield control gives you same as miltia -> adv extenders, but for free, each death.. You can make adv suits as good as proto for less than half the price. The reason why you wanna move to proto suits is the CPU drain of top tier modules and weapons. Same goes for Duvolle, IMHO not worth it untill top notch fittings: GEK with a complex dmg is almost as good as Duvoll with adv dmg at half the price and same CPU/PG drain. A well fitted proto suit will cost you 200k per death... I would generaly say: dont even THINK about proto suits below 3m total SP
xAckie Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 125	Posted - 2013.02.12 13:02:00 - [18] - Quote Tectonious Falcon wrote: xAckie wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: If you're asking this, then you are not ready. Also I'm predicting that weaponry aside, you've yet to do the 4 primary skills. You who know, know what. what are the 4 primary skills? If you say shields and mechanics for example, I would say your wrong. Suits out trump them. Then again, I guess it depends on your play style. Suits out trump nothing. Modules, weapons and skills out trump everything. sure on modules like extenders and complex damagers but an assault type 2 out trumps doing the shields SP for 5% and mechanics. Never done a type B but I bet the true is similar in the Shield/ HP gain. Plus you get more CP/ PG so dont need to hit those SP skills to get the gains yet. Rather spend SP in grenades say than get base level up - for what? to save being hit one or 2 times? @Ner'zul good point. If i was logi (and esp. a heavy) I would most probably be more interested in increasing the base rate of my suits.
Ner'Zul Nexhawk Talos Incorporated 153	Posted - 2013.02.12 13:06:00 - [19] - Quote xAckie wrote: Tectonious Falcon wrote: xAckie wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: If you're asking this, then you are not ready. Also I'm predicting that weaponry aside, you've yet to do the 4 primary skills. You who know, know what. what are the 4 primary skills? If you say shields and mechanics for example, I would say your wrong. Suits out trump them. Then again, I guess it depends on your play style. Suits out trump nothing. Modules, weapons and skills out trump everything. sure on modules like extenders and complex damagers but an assault type 2 out trumps doing the shields SP for 5% and mechanics. Never done a type B but I bet the true is similar in the Shield/ HP gain. Plus you get more CP/ PG so dont need to hit those SP skills to get the gains yet. Rather spend SP in grenades say than get base level up - for what? to save being hit one or 2 times? @Ner'zul good point. If i was logi (and esp. a heavy) I would most probably be more interested in increasing the base rate of my suits. Moreover, just thought about it, don't base HP skills also increase the base stats of vehicles you call in? I think they might, slightly remember seeing different total HP on my Baloch and someone else's. If this is true, then base skills should be important for all pilots. But, once again, I may be mistaken.
Gaechti BetaMax. 71	Posted - 2013.02.12 13:09:00 - [20] - Quote Shield Control and Field Mechanics give 5% per level to ALL dropsuits and ALL vehicles

SYNLIVEoCOM SYNDICATE.xg 2	Posted - 2013.02.12 13:15:00 - [21] - Quote Obamas gonna take your gu... I mean CCPs gonna take yo SP's!!!! Both seem to scream paranoia. Play the game yo
Cpt Murd0ck Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 94	Posted - 2013.02.12 13:20:00 - [22] - Quote The type 2 does me fine ATM. Once I have maxed that suit out I will start on the higher tiers but I won't be using them unless my team needs the extra firepower.
Kwik Draw Traitors Function 4	Posted - 2013.02.12 19:47:00 - [23] - Quote Cpt Murd0ck wrote: The type 2 does me fine ATM. Once I have maxed that suit out I will start on the higher tiers but I won't be using them unless my team needs the extra firepower. my exact thoughts.
Cyn Bruin Imperfects Negative-Feedback 652	Posted - 2013.02.12 20:23:00 - [24] - Quote Proto-Suit by this weekend I hope... I figured it's better to get it out of the way, it also increases my CPU/PG so why not spend those points into getting a new suit. Everyone has their own way of doing things, none is right or wrong. Some might lead to immediate benefits while others are a bit slower. I made sure to get a head start on it tho which is key.
General Erick Onslaught Inc 24	Posted - 2013.02.12 20:36:00 - [25] - Quote Lv. 3 Adv. Heavy Lv. 3 HMG
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 428	Posted - 2013.02.12 20:50:00 - [26] - Quote xAckie wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: If you're asking this, then you are not ready. Also I'm predicting that weaponry aside, you've yet to do the 4 primary skills. You who know, know what. what are the 4 primary skills? If you say shields and mechanics for example, I would say your wrong. Suits out trump them. Then again, I guess it depends on your play style. Weaponry aside, they are Field Mechanics, Shield Control, Circuitry, and Combat Engineering. They are like the gateway skills to all other skills and provide the most beneficial bonuses. How much would your Proto suit be worth with nothing but militia modules?
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2013.02.12 20:52:00 - [27] - Quote Tectonious Falcon wrote: xAckie wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: If you're asking this, then you are not ready. Also I'm predicting that weaponry aside, you've yet to do the 4 primary skills. You who know, know what. what are the 4 primary skills? If you say shields and mechanics for example, I would say your wrong. Suits out trump them. Then again, I guess it depends on your play style. Suits out trump nothing. Modules, weapons and skills out trump everything. You can't fit a bunch of modules on a suit with 1 or 2 high & low slots. Suit trumps all
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2013.02.12 20:55:00 - [28] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: xAckie wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: If you're asking this, then you are not ready. Also I'm predicting that weaponry aside, you've yet to do the 4 primary skills. You who know, know what. what are the 4 primary skills? If you say shields and mechanics for example, I would say your wrong. Suits out trump them. Then again, I guess it depends on your play style. Weaponry aside, they are Field Mechanics, Shield Control, Circuitry, and Combat Engineering. They are like the gateway skills to all other skills and provide the most beneficial bonuses. How much would your Proto suit be worth with nothing but militia modules? What's the use of having complex modules if you can't fit them in your suit? Not to mention, shield enhancements and weaponry are the gateway skills to the most essential modules. Combat engineering, field mechanics are not as necessary as some of the others.
Titus Stryker Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 35	Posted - 2013.02.12 21:01:00 - [29] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: xAckie wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: If you're asking this, then you are not ready. Also I'm predicting that weaponry aside, you've yet to do the 4 primary skills. You who know, know what. what are the 4 primary skills? If you say shields and mechanics for example, I would say your wrong. Suits out trump them. Then again, I guess it depends on your play style. Weaponry aside, they are Field Mechanics, Shield Control, Circuitry, and Combat Engineering. They are like the gateway skills to all other skills and provide the most beneficial bonuses. How much would your Proto suit be worth with nothing but militia modules? Disagree and here's why: For vehicles, it makes a big difference, for suits...not so much. Ask yourself what is 5% of my base shield or base armor...? If your base armor is 175, and you add 25% to that, you get 43.75 extra base armor...that is basically two bullets...are you are telling me that 2 bullets are worth 300,000 SP. Shield control is an even bigger discrepancy as it costs what, 1.2M SP for a two bullet boost to your shield. Heavy T1 and Heavy T2 is a bit of a different story as as your 5% increase is larger due to the large base numbers.
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 428	Posted - 2013.02.12 21:07:00 - [30] - Quote Titus Stryker wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: xAckie wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: If you're asking this, then you are not ready. Also I'm predicting that weaponry aside, you've yet to do the 4 primary skills. You who know, know what. what are the 4 primary skills? If you say shields and mechanics for example, I would say your wrong. Suits out trump them. Then again, I guess it depends on your play style. Weaponry aside, they are Field Mechanics, Shield Control, Circuitry, and Combat Engineering. They are like the gateway skills to all other skills and provide the most beneficial bonuses. How much would your Proto suit be worth with nothing but militia modules? Disagree and here's why: For vehicles, it makes a big difference, for suits...not so much. Ask yourself what is 5% of my base shield or base armor...? If your base armor is 175, and you add 25% to that, you get 43.75 extra base armor...that is basically two bullets...are you are telling me that 2 bullets are worth 300,000 SP. Shield control is an even bigger discrepancy as it costs what, 1.2M SP for a two bullet boost to your shield. Heavy T1 and Heavy T2 is a bit of a different story as as your 5% increase is larger due to the large base numbers. but these skills allow you to fit better mods and more intensive mods/weapons

Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 393	Posted - 2013.02.12 21:21:00 - [31] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Titus Stryker wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: xAckie wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: If you're asking this, then you are not ready. Also I'm predicting that weaponry aside, you've yet to do the 4 primary skills. You who know, know what. what are the 4 primary skills? If you say shields and mechanics for example, I would say your wrong. Suits out trump them. Then again, I guess it depends on your play style. Weaponry aside, they are Field Mechanics, Shield Control, Circuitry, and Combat Engineering. They are like the gateway skills to all other skills and provide the most beneficial bonuses. How much would your Proto suit be worth with nothing but militia modules? Disagree and here's why: For vehicles, it makes a big difference, for suits...not so much. Ask yourself what is 5% of my base shield or base armor...? If your base armor is 175, and you add 25% to that, you get 43.75 extra base armor...that is basically two bullets...are you are telling me that 2 bullets are worth 300,000 SP. Shield control is an even bigger discrepancy as it costs what, 1.2M SP for a two bullet boost to your shield. Heavy T1 and Heavy T2 is a bit of a different story as as your 5% increase is larger due to the large base numbers. but these skills allow you to fit better mods and more intensive mods/weapons What does Mechanics level 5 allow you to add to your dropsuit?
The Black Art Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 8	Posted - 2013.02.12 21:26:00 - [32] - Quote Nope. I'm stopping at Type B until I see all the new dropsuits. In the meantime I'll be skilling up all the nice passive stuff (shields, armor, LW stuff, etc.). I'm sure there will be tons of tears when the new suits are released and people spent so much SP getting the ones currently implemented that they no longer want.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2013.02.12 22:07:00 - [33] - Quote The Black Art wrote: Nope. I'm stopping at Type B until I see all the new dropsuits. In the meantime I'll be skilling up all the nice passive stuff (shields, armor, LW stuff, etc.). I'm sure there will be tons of tears when the new suits are released and people spent so much SP getting the ones currently implemented that they no longer want. Only issue is you may still need to have level 5 assault dropsuit to access the new ones coming in....so, it still wouldn't be a waste if you did it. But I'm like you, proto is overkill so I'm stopping at Bseries. But I have seen one proto dropsuit already so does depend on how many people start bringing them out
XXfootnoteXX ZionTCD Legacy Rising 76	Posted - 2013.02.12 22:24:00 - [34] - Quote Washlee wrote: 1.2M SP just for T5 dropsuit of ______ class. I think its alittle over priced. Na, well depends if they ask more skills.
Panoscape BurgezzE.T.F 107	Posted - 2013.02.12 22:33:00 - [35] - Quote Passive Skills > Proto Gear
Rasputin La'Gar Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 28	Posted - 2013.02.12 22:58:00 - [36] - Quote IRuby Heart wrote: Is now the best time for us to be Skilling up into our Dropsuits to get our Prototype gear? I've already got my AR operation to level 4 and weaponry to level 5 and shield enhancements to level 3. I think it would be best to take advantage of the current SP system earning 400,000-500,000 SP a week. and get the most expensive skill to level 5 while we still can before CCP drastically reduces the amount of SP earned from matches or reduces the cap. I thought the cap was 190,000?
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 428	Posted - 2013.02.12 23:00:00 - [37] - Quote Rasputin La'Gar wrote: I thought the cap was 190,000? You gotta include passive per week
IRuby Heart DIOS EX. 326	Posted - 2013.02.12 23:10:00 - [38] - Quote Decided to stop at Assault Type -B, only 400,000 SP left to go. The way I see it the protosuits are way to expensive in terms of ISK and SP right now to take the leap of faith with the investment, I don't think anyone has enough ISK to maintain them if they plan to use them as their go to suit. Also, Still being in a Beta where lots more is still to come, you should tread carefully when allocating your SP. At this same time however, the Protosuit allows a lot more modules and equipment to be equipped but right now the SP trade-off for those modules can easily be allocated into other less costly skills to gain the same effect. All in all, I think skilling into the passive skills first will keep you at a level that's comparative or equal to wearing prototype gear with enhanced/complex modules but at a lower SP cost and more effective distribution, don't forget these skills will allow you to fit 1 or 2 enhanced modules of your desire. After these skills have been maxed out and ISK is more abundant to you, then is the time to get the prototype gear. EDIT: Oh wow, just realized I started this and I unknowingly answered my own question. Silly OP is me.
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 248	Posted - 2013.02.12 23:49:00 - [39] - Quote Gaechti wrote: IMHO: Proto gear is not worth it till you have complex dmg mods, complex shield extenders and complex shield regualtors to fit on them. And to be able to fit all the complex ones, you need circuitry 5 and some CPU lowering skills too. Dont forget important skills like shield control and field mechanics too. Like lvl2 in shield control gives you same as miltia -> adv extenders, but for free, each death.. You can make adv suits as good as proto for less than half the price. The reason why you wanna move to proto suits is the CPU drain of top tier modules and weapons. Same goes for Duvolle, IMHO not worth it untill top notch fittings: GEK with a complex dmg is almost as good as Duvoll with adv dmg at half the price and same CPU/PG drain. A well fitted proto suit will cost you 200k per death... I would generaly say: dont even THINK about proto suits below 3m total SP ^ Gaechti proves himself as a wise man


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