Would be cool if kill points scaled with the amount of damage inflicted.

I actually like this idea!

I think the issue atm is that ppl running militia gear feel underpowered when facing a heavy with higher tech gear, and more sp invested in passive armor/shield/dmg skills. This game is based in the EVE universe, a ruthless place where better gear and skills DO count for something. A millitia rifle SHOULD take more than a clip to kill a prototype heavy dropsuit, with enhancers and passives.

I dont see a problem with heavies and their longevity. We do die, and we will die even more often as players get their better dropsuits and modules, since heavies have worst adv/proto dropsuits.

As for taking more damage from behind, if that should be implemented, then it should be for all.

My point is that even when you get the jump on someone in a heavy jumpsuit, you feel like you're at a disadvantage..

As for taking more damage from behind, if that should be implemented, then it should be for all.

Then you're not confident in your ability to aim for his head when you have plenty of time to do so? Remember to loosen the soil with nades first.

shooting at the head and this is with 2 enhanced damage mods on a GEK mind you, and that's if he doesn't turn around and kill me first.

Guys... be aware more about ALREADY implemented things.


Dmg from back have modifiter here. (even for vehicles too)
Dmg from upper and down too.


If you have problem with heavy .. play as heavy few matches. Then think more about balances.

If you skill up with assault dropsuit... (adv and proto) you almost never got problem with heavy.
Assalut always win, and this is why ppl ask for buf adv and proto heavy dropsuit.

For levels like now (meta 0 to 2) all is almost worked out.

I have to call bullshit, I've been killed from 100m by GEKs from the front. I find your claim impossible to believe. I'm always out ranged and sent running by ARs, they chew through my suit like paper.

To start out with, I'm not claiming I know everything there is to know about this game (only playing for about 2 weeks), nor am I trying to complain about a certain aspect and wishing for a nerf. Also, there very well may be a much simpler solution than I am about to propose, so I'd appreciate no rude comments for me simple being unaware of common knowledge (searched for a topic but didn't find anything relating to my idea).



Getting back to the topic, I've begun to notice a higher amount of heavies in the matches I've played. Normally you simply adapt and find a way around the problem. My strategy is to either flank or avoid when facing heavies head on as I usually play an assualt dropsuit. Because of their attributes, if I turn a corner and one is facing me, I definitely should expect to be dead or lose most of my health. But what I see as a problem is when I approach one unaware of me. Usually I try to surprise heavies near an objective if I can and hit them from behind, yet it pretty much takes a whole clip to the back of the head to completely fall one, and that's if he's a bad player who didn't move. So on most occasions, the player turns around and the situation either ends with me dead or a lot more shields and armor gone than I expected.



I don't really believe this is a huge issue, but I do believe that the game might benefit from changing the way heavies recieve damage. I started thinking, what if heavies recieved much more damage when hit from behind? Then I thought maybe the damage they recieved could be based on the angle from which they're hit. For example, a heavy could have higher damage protection (even than now) 160 degrees in front of them. Twenty degrees on each side, that damage protection was less, maybe to the level of an assualt. Last, for the 160 degrees behind them, they recieved damage comparable to a scout. I know the reason it takes so long to kill a heavy is because they have so much hp, I'm just trying to compare shooting them at different angles to how long it takes to kill a different class. So to end, they maintain the same hp but recieve more or less damage at different angles.



With a change like this, I hope heavies would be played more like they should be. Instead of simply seeing them in all areas of the battlefield, you would see more defending objectives or advancing an attack while trying to keep everyone in front of them.


TL:DR Change heavies to recieve more damage from behind, encouraging flanking and smarter play on the part of smaller classes and discouraging heavies from roaming everywhere without too much fear of ambush

When I read the thread title I had the feeling the OP wanted to "fix" the heavy like he would "fix" his dog.

The Heavy is not broken and doesn't need to be nerfed.



People, keep in mind that DUST is written to have a far wider set of roles, weapons, and skills than your standard FPS. You can't treat all these roles the same. Don't try to dance with a MD, and don't try to solo a HMG with an AR. Each suit and weapon has its strengths and weakness, so play to those.

Other FPS's revolve around the Assault AR class and everything else has to basically conform to it. Everything can be dropped by a basic Assault in a strafing dance. Not so in DUST. One class cannot do it all. It's Rock/Paper/Scissors. If you have Scissors don't attack a Rock on your own.

Play for a while with each class to get a feel for the dynamic. Play both sides before forming an opinion and certainly before proposing modifications.

DUST is interesting because of the diverse roles and unique balance. If every class is "adjusted" to fall equally to an Assault and AR, then the game will be a bland place to play.

Join a corporation and start learning squad and team tactics. Not only will Heavies stop being a problem, you will have orders of magnitude more fun.

You want to make them into panzer tanks? Honestly, not a bad idea, but heavys already have a weekness and its the head.

Honestly, its not that bad once you level up your skills. Sure there are tough heavys that are really hard to kill, but its not impossible. Its only HMG heavys anyway, they could raise the DMG dropoff rate or just lower the accuracy range.

What if they increased the headshot bonus dmg against heavys by 1-3 percent?

To start out with, I'm not claiming I know everything there is to know about this game (only playing for about 2 weeks), nor am I trying to complain about a certain aspect and wishing for a nerf. Also, there very well may be a much simpler solution than I am about to propose, so I'd appreciate no rude comments for me simple being unaware of common knowledge (searched for a topic but didn't find anything relating to my idea).



Getting back to the topic, I've begun to notice a higher amount of heavies in the matches I've played. Normally you simply adapt and find a way around the problem. My strategy is to either flank or avoid when facing heavies head on as I usually play an assualt dropsuit. Because of their attributes, if I turn a corner and one is facing me, I definitely should expect to be dead or lose most of my health. But what I see as a problem is when I approach one unaware of me. Usually I try to surprise heavies near an objective if I can and hit them from behind, yet it pretty much takes a whole clip to the back of the head to completely fall one, and that's if he's a bad player who didn't move. So on most occasions, the player turns around and the situation either ends with me dead or a lot more shields and armor gone than I expected.



I don't really believe this is a huge issue, but I do believe that the game might benefit from changing the way heavies recieve damage. I started thinking, what if heavies recieved much more damage when hit from behind? Then I thought maybe the damage they recieved could be based on the angle from which they're hit. For example, a heavy could have higher damage protection (even than now) 160 degrees in front of them. Twenty degrees on each side, that damage protection was less, maybe to the level of an assualt. Last, for the 160 degrees behind them, they recieved damage comparable to a scout. I know the reason it takes so long to kill a heavy is because they have so much hp, I'm just trying to compare shooting them at different angles to how long it takes to kill a different class. So to end, they maintain the same hp but recieve more or less damage at different angles.



With a change like this, I hope heavies would be played more like they should be. Instead of simply seeing them in all areas of the battlefield, you would see more defending objectives or advancing an attack while trying to keep everyone in front of them.


TL:DR Change heavies to recieve more damage from behind, encouraging flanking and smarter play on the part of smaller classes and discouraging heavies from roaming everywhere without too much fear of ambush

People really need to stfu about heavies getting "fixed".

You propose taking more dmg from behind...really? It's not enough for you that heavies have the slowest movement, AND the biggest hitbox after a tank?

You want to nerf a suit that's already almost useless. People judge stuff based on public games. Of course noobs gonna get run over by heavies in CQC situations...what do you expect?

The only thing they need to "fix" about heavies is the uselessness of the Proto suits. They're WAY too expensive for what you're getting.

You obviously didn't get the context of my post along with several others in their replies. I put fix in quotations for a reason, and I also stated I wasn't complaing about heavies needing a nerf. I was suggesting the idea of damage based on the angle of the recieving shot with heavies as the example. I replied in another user's post that the same could be applied to all dropsuits in hopes that perhaps people would be more inclined to play the way the dropsuits are most efficient.

You didn't read your title did you? Your title clearly states heavies.

Maybe you're new here, but I've been in closed beta for quite a few months, and it's been nothing but QQ over heavies. So I really don't care if you have an idea for other suits, but leave heavies out of any more "fixes" or nerfs.

Next time put "how to fix dropsuits" and THEN include a heavy as an example.

Don't think you understand when the class you play, and invest hours of SP into, is constantly being cried over, when the people that ACTUALLY play the class knows it's no walk in the park.

I'm still waiting for the people who say "Heavies are easy mode and are OP" to post their 100-0 games.

constructive criticism.

I dont see a problem with heavies and their longevity. We do die, and we will die even more often as players get their better dropsuits and modules, since heavies have worst adv/proto dropsuits.

As for taking more damage from behind, if that should be implemented, then it should be for all.

out of curiosity does every one here understand that ARs suck against armor?? an almost 600DPS(AR) weapon will be beat out by a 450dps(im not telling) weapon every time in armor.

out of curiosity does every one here understand that ARs suck against armor?? an almost 600DPS(AR) weapon will be beat out by a 450dps(im not telling) weapon every time in armor.

I have to call bullshit, I've been killed from 100m by GEKs from the front. I find your claim impossible to believe. I'm always out ranged and sent running by ARs, they chew through my suit like paper.

Assault players want to 1v1 everything in this game. Tanks included.

I actually like this idea!

I think the issue atm is that ppl running militia gear feel underpowered when facing a heavy with higher tech gear, and more sp invested in passive armor/shield/dmg skills. This game is based in the EVE universe, a ruthless place where better gear and skills DO count for something. A millitia rifle SHOULD take more than a clip to kill a prototype heavy dropsuit, with enhancers and passives.

lol raise the dmg bonus on the biggest head of all the dropsuits...

Honestly, do you people understand what you're saying? You're saying a heavy's big head is easy enough to hit, but you want to ADD dmg to it...SMFH.

Add headshot dmg to every dropsuit if that's the case.

This topic has been discussed to death. The only reasonable nerf I've seen is a nerf to HMG range and heat buildup speed. Every other nerf I've read on this forum is garbage.

Just leave the suit alone.

All suits get a dmg bonus to the head. I only suggested that if you were going to add bonus dmg to heavys, it would be a extra 1-3 percent over the other suits.

Because you know, heavy heads are wayyyy bigger then all other heads and wayyyy easier to shoot.

All suits get a dmg bonus to the head. I only suggested that if you were going to add bonus dmg to heavys, it would be a extra 1-3 percent over the other suits.

Because you know, heavy heads are wayyyy bigger then all other heads and wayyyy easier to shoot.

My heavy alt has a 3.96 K/D, My Main assault Alt has a 2.79 K/D. Take from this what you will.

A heavy has to have a KDR above 2 or 3 or they are failing in their role. All we do is kill people and enemy armor. If you reduce our ability to do so, then that role might as well not exist. Maybe assault is OP.

I'm not saying its a good idea, just that if you were going to add bonus dmg to heavys and the like(as the OP suggested) then it should be to the already imposed weakspot instead of adding a whole new one that will just force heavys to sit in corners.

I really don't have a problem with heavys, they are hard to kill but that really is the point of a heavy.

i know theres been more heavys then normal, but i get pissed at the GEK cus it kills heavys fast. and im no complain ass cus i used the heavy in close beata when the assault class was the best.

Assault class is STILL the best

Mate, Assault is not the best.

Can an Assault Rep you, give you ammo and pick you up? No!
Can an Assault sprint stupidly fast and far with the highest top speed? No!

Not the best.

Except... why would their heads take more damage? Or better yet, why would your head take more damage? You do realize that it's the same character regardless of suit right? Your head didn't get any bigger when you put on a heavy suit, it's just more padded up. If anything, heavies should take the least amount of damage from head shots, not more, unless their helmets are made of paper or something.

actually not true my friend, these bodies are artificially made to suit certain roles, I am quite sure they have different clone types for each suit. (I believe its actually alluded to in eve or dust lore some where)

1. Yes you can put reppers and Nano on all but heavies.
2. Yes with proper skills and mods

Not everyone runs locus or focus nades, when approaching from the heavy from the back it still takes a good 2/3's of my clip to put him down when shooting at the head and this is with 2 enhanced damage mods on a GEK mind you, and that's if he doesn't turn around and kill me first.

Oh cool, so now I have zero chance at defending my self against smarter players AND people who just happen to spawn behind me. Oh boy, even better, Random Sniper in the hills will be able to drop me with one lucky shot now when I'm crossing the road.