It's just really surprising this coming from you. Are you sick of just shooting a few people with your thale and then hiding back in the spawn?

Trollsroyce made me go from 1.2 to 8.4 in a single match, I never found him. How is his freakishly good sniping skills an indicator of my skills? I still have no Idea where those shots were coming from

I doubt there would ever be consensus on this, adding wp/h would be good. I would rather have wp/match or wp/death though.

kdr has uses, it just isn't the end all be all stat some think it is.

Isk efficiency would be nice stat to have too. If we had kd4r and isk efficiency we could spot people using proto on newbies to boost kdr and people that take on expensive gear with cheap fits. By how far from matching the two stats are.

WP/H just gets down to who can sit in a tank the longest though so no.

www.dust514stats.com

I disagree with a per hour stat, as time is also meaning less, how many matches did you play, what role were you in, is it total time or played time, what do you do with dropped matches?

Had a talk with CCP Foxfour last night on IRC while he was on a lunch break, they are gonna be chaning the leaderboards at some point, they agree with the concerns about kdr and w/l ratio, plenty of people chimed in and gave ideas. Foxfour also said they would rather have a few boards in game then give us the data and see what we do with it, like what I am doing over at dust514stats.

WP hour is certainly better measure than wp over all or kills over all

Its handy to know how much a person plays, but it doesn't mean they are the best.

WP per hour is the olny true measure of a team player, doing lots of killing, getting objectives, and keeping people alive.

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The correct replacement is a statistics that leads to active and bloodthirsty gameplay. I suggest war points per hour. Looking at a player wp/h and total wp tells much more of the type than just KDR. It punishes leechers. It rewards top scorers who win the matches for their team. WP/h leaderboards encourage people to do their utmost to melt face.

Your missing the point of all the stats.

Grats you have a High KDR, you have a ton of warpoints, but your support is low, this tells me 2 things 1 your not a logi, 2 that I should look into if your squad leader is putting squad orders up, are you following them, is your team working together. niether of these say anything about you as a player. but they are a place to begin a discussion.

Stats in and of them selves mean nothing, that are a reffernce, they give you a point to start a discussion. they are a way of telling how should I talk to this person, in a recruitment situation I would not send a logibro to talk to you, I'd send a assualt or heavy to talk to you. For a corp leader they tell them this guys is a monster at killing people, I want to team him with this logibro, and these two assualt guys so I have a balanced squad.

I push the stats I have because they are all we get. limiting ourselves to just looking at warpoints without breaking it down doesn't help anyone when we have only 4 real stats that the game gives us, I discount KDR because it's a derived stats from kills and deaths which we are also given.

I'm not saying your wrong for asking about more stats, I'm saying your asking for the wrong data points. However in the thinking I have been doing to discuss this with you I spotted one stats I missed out of the data we have and am adding it to my site tonight, thank you.

But please, limit time to a look at how your data has changed over it's length rather than using it as a data point

Edit: As CCP Foxfour said last night Filtering data is filtering data, the data, all of it should be viewed to have meaning as a whole, otherwise you might miss something.

That again is an assumption that killing is the most important thing.

That again is an assumption that killing is the most important thing.

Let me posit a situation.

Let's say Null sec sov matches have no time limit, you can bring as many clones as you can fit in your MCC, and last until your opponents MCC is destroyed. the only way to damage your oppenents MCC is with missle nodes just like we have now.

you enemy has brought in 10k clones, you brought 2k clones.

Winning by clone victory is going to be very hard, if not impossible, your best bet is to take out the MCC, for that you need to take and hold positions.

In this position I want a balanced team, I want 1 hacker 1 heavy, a logi and a assualt. now I know these areas in fitting can overlap, but playstyles they all take a different mentality. Some people can be all four and do it very well, some can only do one no matter how many different fits they have.

How am I supposed to know this if I have 4 different corp battles going on each that can have 24 people on each side in a corp with 400 people. do I only recruit the best of the best killers to try and burn thru 10k clones before they can destroy our MCC,

Different people are needed in different areas.

I am a logi, some of you may have seen me in some matches, my kdr is crap, in the .7 area, but I can pull 1500 to 2500 warpoints in a match while going 0-0 because I can hack, I know where to put Squad orders, and where to drop uplinks and nanohives to make it so my squad can do it's best. so do you want me a s a front line soldier or do you want me standing behind the guy that goes 50-10 making it so he can go 55-2 because I keep him alive and full on ammo.

This game takes all types, to judge them you need stats of all types, I need stats so I can say this guy is a great logi, I need stats to say this guy is a great killer, and I need stats that say this guy can do everything.

Time only matters when you don't have any, if your in that position you didn't do it right.

Want to get that sov flip done in a day or a month?

I'll always take the guy who gets 50-10 in a match over the one that gets 10-0. The first one offsets a ton of team failures, the second one looks better on non-time measured stats. Also, being efficient just means getting more done with the time you have.

K/D does have it's place in Dust, after all clone count is pretty damn important, but there are definitely other, arguably more important, statistics that should be tracked - ISK efficiency and WP/D being the two main ones.

Let's come back to the 10k enemies and 2k allies. Good job to the guy who did killing only and eliminated 50 clones, while dying 10 times. Huge props for getting rid of 0.5% of enemy clone reserves.

I'll use Heinz's example to show a little flaw of this mindset and reinforce his point, because Heinz explained it pretty well already.

Let's come back to the 10k enemies and 2k allies. Good job to the guy who did killing only and eliminated 50 clones, while dying 10 times. Huge props for getting rid of 0.5% of enemy clone reserves.

Now, the merc who went 10-0 could've picked up and healed 200 clones, including the one that went 50-10. That is 10% of your clone reserves.

Question: who is more valuable now?