KD of 14? How many kills? That's higher than any of the heavies I know. Are you talking about 14/1 in a single match?

HMG heavy here (but I play other classes with alt chars). The reason you see me near the top of the WP list at the end with 14/1 K/D is that you don't know how to play against me. You can easily figure out the things you don't want to do against a HMG heavy by playing one for a while. But I'm just going to assume you're all too thick to figure it out yourselves.

So here's some basics going against a HMG heavy:

* When you see a HMG heavy back out around a corner, don't follow him. There's a slaughter waiting to happen behind there, you just don't know it yet. I'd estimate this is about 75% of all my HMG kills. I'm sharing this because you already know it by experience, you're just too thick to learn it, so I can keep doing it.

* In general, if you see a HMG heavy, you should be moving away from him, not towards him. Unless you're wielding a short range weapon, like a shotgun. Hint: ARs are not a short range weapon.

* If you're against a HMG heavy and you go in the middle of an open field and run and bounce around like a champion, you will die. But that's true against any weapon class.

* If you want to kill a HMG heavy, shoot at him from behind. It takes forever to turn around in that fat suit. But remember, don't close up on him, even from behind, if your weapon doesn't require point blanc range. Those idiots who think they can play hide and seek an inch behind my back are the rest 25% of my HMG kills. Many of them seem to be wielding a perfectly good AR that could finish me off from good distance without all that sneaking around.

Actually just to be 100% fair, the Broadside was broken in an unfair way during Precursor and most of Codex. It did 19.2 dmg (same as the Gaston does now) with a CPU requirement of only 72 (it was in the 70s...don't remember exactly) which was way less than the Boundless.

True but I was using two complex sidearm damage mods for lots of extra damage and it was a single press of R1 and before the heavy even knew I was there it was far too late.

I was also experimenting with a militia SMG and it was kind of sad to be able to kill an expensive heavy with such a low cost setup that I was useing.

Funny how no one ever mentions the other and much more important heavy nerfs/limitations such as 65 DB scan and 60 DB profile and the close to useless 15M scan range that with 65DB"precision" lets a scout walk right behind a heavy un-noticed for minutes at a time until bored of the game I just SMG massacred the heavies.

Pointing out weaknesses of the MASSIVELY OP heavy class is crazy talk

The heavies are fine, wouldn't mind to see the heat indacator be a little shorter, just because I see them hold it down for 20+ seconds. Kinda ridiculous. But if I have cover my ad is no match for heavies. The range is a little long but he'll they can't run so its ok.
Lasers on the on the other hand blow. You get rewarded for being a horrible shot, c'mon man!

Cheese and rice man I was just guessing the time. Just seems long. Some can eat my clip while firing at me, reload and still get fired at. Just think it would serve the heavy style if they had to let off the trigger every now then. Most heavies just think they can go toe to toe in stead of finding cover.

Actually just to be 100% fair, the Broadside was broken in an unfair way during Precursor and most of Codex. It did 19.2 dmg (same as the Gaston does now) with a CPU requirement of only 72 (it was in the 70s...don't remember exactly) which was way less than the Boundless.

Haha, really. You can do better than than that. 20 seconds firing a 2000rpm HMG with a 425 round magazine??????

Even without overheating a HMG could only fire for about 12.5 seconds before having to reload. With level 3 HMG operations which gives a 9% reduction in heat, the gun locks up with still 143 rounds left in the magazine. That's 8.5 seconds of fire before we have a 10 second lock up.

The HMG is totally over powered... when you engage it head on within it's optimal range, ooo wait the shotgun is OP'ed when you do that too, so's the laser, or the mass driver, and sniper rifles are completely OP when you sit still or move through the open without cover [:roll]

The vast majority of "nerf" threads I've seen on the forums contain little to no actual data or testing information. Hardly ever contain any assessment of the weapon/suit/mods battlefield role and how it's current capability exceeds that intended role and infringes on another. The majority of those threads also lack any first hand experience with the gear in question thus ignoring it's shortcomings or the comparative required investments to skill/buy/field that item. Also frequently glossed over is the fact that both character skills and overall fitting effect the performance of the item in question (weaponry 5 + 4 complex damage mods does make a difference).

Having heard comments such as "militia gear is OP'ed, if I come around the corner point blank into a militia shotgun it'll one shot me" or "we zerged that heavy HMG dead on like five times and he just kept killing our squad" the only think I can think is of course! It's like saying "I stuck my hand in a fire and got burned, it clearly can't be poor choice on my fault so we'd better nerf fire, I'd say make it 20-7-% less powerful, that way it could still heat soup to around room temperature in about 50 minutes but it couldn't burn me so quickly when I stick my hand in the flame."

Don't engage weapons in their optimal rage/context. Don't assume that you should be able to engage everything/everyone head on. Don't ignore the virtues of mobility or the hindrance of it's lack (I've killed more than one HMG user with a scout suit and Nova Knives). And please, please don't QQ on the forums when it turns out your chosen play style/weapon isn't an guaranteed "I Win" button under every battlefield condition.

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