the HMG needs a spool up time, no reason for them to be able to shoot soon as they touch the trigger, all Heavy weapons should basically need to be charged.

the spread is too tight, HMGs should be for suppressing not sniping them like a normal AR.

the HMG needs a spool up time, no reason for them to be able to shoot soon as they touch the trigger, all Heavy weapons should basically need to be charged.

the spread is too tight, HMGs should be for suppressing not sniping them like a normal AR.

and decrease the 'effective' range while maintaining current hit range (similar to how lasers are good at long range but suck awful at short)

the HMG needs a spool up time, no reason for them to be able to shoot soon as they touch the trigger, all Heavy weapons should basically need to be charged.

the spread is too tight, HMGs should be for suppressing not sniping them like a normal AR.

My favorite whine about HMGs is the no spool up whine, delicious CoD ignorance fueled whine.

On a side note, it's bothersome that people would rather whine at CCP to balance the game towards them instead of trying to figure out how to beat what's killing them.

Wait until the caldari have their version... That will have a spool up time before it starts blapping folks and vehicles alike.

Also the HMGs that kill you are proto because HMGs are so broken that its not worth running anything less then proto. just wait till the duvolle or Balac's are in common use, HMGs will be useless.

FIRST: If this is a duplicate, please lock and let it die. I tried looking and didn't find any other threads like this one.

So it's pretty obvious that there are a growing population of players that feel the HMG is OP. My question is this: What, in your eyes, makes the HMG OP?

I also made this thread as a "central hub" of sorts for the HMG discussion. I'm curious to see what the opposite end of the barrel thinks.

Please keep the discussion civil. (wishful thinking, I know)

TF2 is perfection in game form mate. all complaints are simple anti-valve demons from Microsoft.

what TF2 stand for?

Wait until the caldari have their version... That will have a spool up time before it starts blapping folks and vehicles alike.

If a heavy is so op, why is by large more people roll assault suits with AR. and still play other suits?

If it was the I win button, I would expect at least 50% heavy, and not the paltry 25% or less

Its not like it takes a insane amount of investment, you generally will always win back more money than invested in played right using type 2 and a second rate minigun.

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Of course if you want to go realy ghetto (and can't wait) use the BPO heavy sui

t, if it is realy just gun that makes it insanely good you will be a god each match.

If a heavy is so op, why is by large more people roll assault suits with AR. and still play other suits?

If it was the I win button, I would expect at least 50% heavy, and not the paltry 25% or less

Its not like it takes a insane amount of investment, you generally will always win back more money than invested in played right using type 2 and a second rate minigun.

Of course if you want to go realy ghetto (and can't wait) use the BPO heavy suit, if it is realy just gun that makes it insanely good you will be a god each match.

increase damage and spread. it should melt all at close range but have to work for its kills in the long range(AR should win past its optimal) tho I wouldnt mind seeing the spray reduce to less then what it is now in the last 50-100 rounds.

Also the HMGs that kill you are proto because HMGs are so broken that its not worth running anything less then proto. just wait till the duvolle or Balac's are in common use, HMGs will be useless.

Balance is not about everyone being equal, it's about everyone being good where they're supposed to be. It's about checks and balances. Hopefully it's also about involving counter play more than straight up dps measurements under "optimal" circumstances (Doesn't it sound better that your skill in controlling circumstances lead to your victory in spite of the dps measurements?)

I think the HMG is currently doing it's job well. They are tanky, they have lots of bullets, and they can chew down almost any target in an instant.

Some people's comments are saying "don't stand still," and at the same time saying "don't run." It's kinda funny. This type of attitude and conflicting advisement makes me feel maybe the hmd does need tweaking... But I'm not going to say for sure.

Definite No -

Do NOT add spool time. This does not exist in reality. The bullets are fired as soon as the barrel starts spinning. They could have it's RoF start slower and gain over time... But I don't think that is the best way to tackle this problem anyway.

Do -

Look at it's maximum effective range. This game seems to play around maximum effective range a lot, and this is a variable that a player should be able to have some control over (both the heavy and the ar). Giving the players this method adds some play and counter play.

This prolly needs to be done for all weapons though, not just the HMG. And really, for being a BETA, I would assume ccp is already monitoring balance and tweaking things behind the scenes to bring the game into the balance they want for us. If they aren't, then this game is already dead lol XD

HMG heavy here (but I play other classes with alt chars). The reason you see me near the top of the WP list at the end with 14/1 K/D is that you don't know how to play against me. You can easily figure out the things you don't want to do against a HMG heavy by playing one for a while. But I'm just going to assume you're all too thick to figure it out yourselves.

So here's some basics going against a HMG heavy:

* When you see a HMG heavy back out around a corner, don't follow him. There's a slaughter waiting to happen behind there, you just don't know it yet. I'd estimate this is about 75% of all my HMG kills. I'm sharing this because you already know it by experience, you're just too thick to learn it, so I can keep doing it.

* In general, if you see a HMG heavy, you should be moving away from him, not towards him. Unless you're wielding a short range weapon, like a shotgun. Hint: ARs are not a short range weapon.

* If you're against a HMG heavy and you go in the middle of an open field and run and bounce around like a champion, you will die. But that's true against any weapon class.

* If you want to kill a HMG heavy, shoot at him from behind. It takes forever to turn around in that fat suit. But remember, don't close up on him, even from behind, if your weapon doesn't require point blanc range. Those idiots who think they can play hide and seek an inch behind my back are the rest 25% of my HMG kills. Many of them seem to be wielding a perfectly good AR that could finish me off from good distance without all that sneaking around.

FIRST: If this is a duplicate, please lock and let it die. I tried looking and didn't find any other threads like this one.

So it's pretty obvious that there are a growing population of players that feel the HMG is OP. My question is this: What, in your eyes, makes the HMG OP?

I also made this thread as a "central hub" of sorts for the HMG discussion. I'm curious to see what the opposite end of the barrel thinks.

Please keep the discussion civil. (wishful thinking, I know)