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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2013.02.03 00:15:00 -
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Since our minds are instantly copy/pasted in new bodies when we die, we're not bound to any one body. There is no reason that we can't have genetically engineered bodies designed and specialized for specific roles; I don't mean like a superman, but something not even human like.
We could have like 6 arms to hold more guns. We could have bodies with leg setups similar to a tiger beetle (fastest animal for its size), and we could be like a centaur insect. For oceanic planets, we could have bodies similar to giant octopuses. We could also have bodies like pterodactyls designed for souring in the air.
I know Earth creatures are not relevant or known anymore, but these are just examples. EVE has its own flora and fauna for engineering lessons.
Crazy body types could further be augmented by dropsuits designed to fit them, and modules to maximize efficiency for whatever role.
I hear Jovians are really into genetic modification, I imagine they'd do something like this if they ever needed ground soldiers.
EDIT: If our new bodies go horribly wrong like with the Jovians, it doesn't matter since they are disposable and replaceable. Battlefield assets (like genetically engineered bodies) likely have to be thoroughly tested to make sure it doesn't mess up. Manufacturers would thoroughly test the bodies anyway to make sure they don't anger and get abandoned by their customers.
EDIT 2: Regarding incompatibility issues, it keeps coming up in the thread and I don't want to keep addressing it again and again so I'll add it here. Human brain parts essential for personality and memory remain in the creature clone, but with new parts are bioengineered for motor control and sensory processing of the nonhuman body. If you were advanced enough to bioengineer an entirely new creature, you may be advanced enough to bioengineer brain components and solve the neurological compatibility issues. |
Gelan Corbaine
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2013.02.03 00:22:00 -
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You realize of course what happened to the Jove as a result of their genetic manipulations right ? I think I'll stick with relatively sane enhancements . Or at least as sane as you can get with super solider cloning . |
Anticitizen2501
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.03 00:26:00 -
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Would be a funny prank to pull on someone.
"Okay guys, why am I a giant octopus?" |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2013.02.03 00:28:00 -
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Gelan Corbaine wrote:You realize of course what happened to the Jove as a result of their genetic manipulations right ? I think I'll stick with relatively sane enhancements . Or at least as sane as you can get with super solider cloning .
I never got that, seems dumb considering its a genetic disease. If they have genetic expertise, they should be able to fix it. If their genes are damaged beyond repair, why don't they just find samples of their original genes, or at least before they changed so much that they got sick, and start again from there? They could also take a sample from the the 4 main empires also. Also, we're immortal, our bodies are DISPOSABLE. If they're messed up by some terrible genetic glitch, we won't buy the clones, or we'll just suicide and return to normal human body.
EDIT: I also read the disease keeps them from being able to reproduce and grow their numbers. Easily fixed by cloning. |
Psycho Octopus
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.02.03 01:50:00 -
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I wouldn't mind, I'm already a Psycho Octopus. |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.03 01:53:00 -
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Anticitizen2501 wrote:Would be a funny prank to pull on someone.
"Okay guys, why am I a giant octopus?"
this right here is why i want it to happen.
the backstories would be hilarious
why would it have to be limited to organic bodies though?
i want to be a terminator!! |
Model T-1001
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.02.03 01:54:00 -
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General Tiberius1 wrote:Anticitizen2501 wrote:Would be a funny prank to pull on someone.
"Okay guys, why am I a giant octopus?" this right here is why i want it to happen. the backstories would be hilarious why would it have to be limited to organic bodies though? i want to be a terminator!!
This unit is designated for termination, ignore everything it says. |
aden slayer
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
407
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Posted - 2013.02.03 01:55:00 -
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I prefer to have only one e-peen. Thank you very much.
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General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
206
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Posted - 2013.02.03 01:57:00 -
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aden slayer wrote:I prefer to have only one e-peen. Thank you very much.
e-peen?
and shut up T1001, no one likes you! |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2013.02.03 01:57:00 -
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Human Phsyce has to require a human body still.
While I think it would be cool to have wolf ears and that, the lore reasons where already stated before and the gallente found out the hard way you can't do what you mentioned. |
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aden slayer
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
407
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Posted - 2013.02.03 01:59:00 -
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General Tiberius1 wrote:aden slayer wrote:I prefer to have only one e-peen. Thank you very much.
e-peen? and shut up T1001, no one likes you!
A male's most valuable asset.
'coughs' |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
206
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Posted - 2013.02.03 02:01:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Human Phsyce has to require a human body still.
While I think it would be cool to have wolf ears and that, the lore reasons where already stated before and the gallente found out the hard way you can't do what you mentioned.
link so i can read plz? |
Phoenix Archer 128
Better Hide R Die
89
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Posted - 2013.02.03 02:02:00 -
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I would think it has to do with "you" being human...there would be a lot of psychological trauma that cannot be undone (since it is your "mind" that is being preserved) if you suddenly found yourself in another body that isn't your own (even if you wanted it). Just trying to gain control over the new body would scar your mind, and then there are the body's own instincts and desires that you just cannot understand...even if you found your way back to your own body, you'd be damaged beyond repair, all but useless.
It would be a similar thing, maybe to a slightly lesser extent, if your "mind" were to be thrown into another human's body/clone...there are things about it, even though it is human, that you just won't be able to understand or control properly.
I wonder if your "mind" is even compatible with any body but your own...most likely not. |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
206
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Posted - 2013.02.03 02:03:00 -
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Phoenix Archer 128 wrote:I would think it has to do with "you" being human...there would be a lot of psychological trauma that cannot be undone (since it is your "mind" that is being preserved) if you suddenly found yourself in another body that isn't your own (even if you wanted it). Just trying to gain control over the new body would scar your mind, and then there are the body's own instincts and desires that you just cannot understand...
It would be a similar thing, maybe to a slightly lesser extent, if your "mind" were to be thrown into another human's body/clone...
I wonder if your "mind" is even compatible with any body but your own...
pitty there are so many taboos against cloning in real life |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2013.02.03 02:03:00 -
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General Tiberius1 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Human Phsyce has to require a human body still.
While I think it would be cool to have wolf ears and that, the lore reasons where already stated before and the gallente found out the hard way you can't do what you mentioned. link so i can read plz?
It was a dev post years ago... I would be a needle in a haystack find. |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
206
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Posted - 2013.02.03 02:06:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:General Tiberius1 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Human Phsyce has to require a human body still.
While I think it would be cool to have wolf ears and that, the lore reasons where already stated before and the gallente found out the hard way you can't do what you mentioned. link so i can read plz? It was a dev post years ago... I would be a needle in a haystack find.
if it's been years, maybe they've fixed the problem? |
Phoenix Archer 128
Better Hide R Die
89
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Posted - 2013.02.03 02:13:00 -
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General Tiberius1 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:General Tiberius1 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Human Phsyce has to require a human body still.
While I think it would be cool to have wolf ears and that, the lore reasons where already stated before and the gallente found out the hard way you can't do what you mentioned. link so i can read plz? It was a dev post years ago... I would be a needle in a haystack find. if it's been years, maybe they've fixed the problem? Doubt it lol...I think there would be a huge outcry from the other three if the Gallente were found to be merging humans with other animals...especially the Amarr... |
Vaerana Myshtana
ScIdama Endless Renaissance
203
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Posted - 2013.02.03 02:18:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Gelan Corbaine wrote:You realize of course what happened to the Jove as a result of their genetic manipulations right ? I think I'll stick with relatively sane enhancements . Or at least as sane as you can get with super solider cloning . I never got that, seems dumb considering its a genetic disease. If they have genetic expertise, they should be able to fix it. If their genes are damaged beyond repair, why don't they just find samples of their original genes, or at least before they changed so much that they got sick, and start again from there? They could also take a sample from the the 4 main empires also. Also, we're immortal, our bodies are DISPOSABLE. If they're messed up by some terrible genetic glitch, we won't buy the clones, or we'll just suicide and return to normal human body. EDIT: I also read the disease keeps them from being able to reproduce and grow their numbers. Easily fixed by cloning.
The current Jove empire is like the fourth or something. They probably lost that information during one or more interregnum periods.
Besides, people, even the Jovians, don't always see the end result of something until it is too late. So it is with the Jovian Disease. They changed something fundamental about themselves that causes them all to eventually develop their own special form of dementia.
IIRC, they do clone, but they are limiting their numbers until they can cure the Disease. They don't want to condemn more people than they have to to the horrors of it. |
Patoman Radiant
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
53
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Posted - 2013.02.03 02:18:00 -
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Could be the humanoid form is perfect for the role already in adaptability.
Though the body could be enhanced amusing it isn't already, a organic cyborg or synthetic human. |
Barnabas Wrex
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
148
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Posted - 2013.02.03 02:18:00 -
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I thought I was a robot.... Am I human wearing a suit? |
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Vaerana Myshtana
ScIdama Endless Renaissance
203
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Posted - 2013.02.03 02:20:00 -
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General Tiberius1 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Human Phsyce has to require a human body still.
While I think it would be cool to have wolf ears and that, the lore reasons where already stated before and the gallente found out the hard way you can't do what you mentioned. link so i can read plz?
Well, I know that the novel The Burning Life went into it a bit. One of the characters falls in with a Gallente subculture that is all about body modification and they are all pretty nuts. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2013.02.03 02:30:00 -
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Vaerana Myshtana wrote:General Tiberius1 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Human Phsyce has to require a human body still.
While I think it would be cool to have wolf ears and that, the lore reasons where already stated before and the gallente found out the hard way you can't do what you mentioned. link so i can read plz? Well, I know that the novel The Burning Life went into it a bit. One of the characters falls in with a Gallente subculture that is all about body modification and they are all pretty nuts.
Damn Furries. |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
206
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Posted - 2013.02.03 02:34:00 -
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Phoenix Archer 128 wrote:General Tiberius1 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:General Tiberius1 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Human Phsyce has to require a human body still.
While I think it would be cool to have wolf ears and that, the lore reasons where already stated before and the gallente found out the hard way you can't do what you mentioned. link so i can read plz? It was a dev post years ago... I would be a needle in a haystack find. if it's been years, maybe they've fixed the problem? Doubt it lol...I think there would be a huge outcry from the other three if the Gallente were found to be merging humans with other animals...especially the Amarr...
caldari wouldn't care, so long as we could make money off of it |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
206
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Posted - 2013.02.03 02:36:00 -
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Barnabas Wrex wrote:I thought I was a robot.... Am I human wearing a suit?
just wanted to say hi.
fought you guys several times. ya'll hurt tritan |
Gullegubben
Ginnungagaps Landsknektsgille
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Posted - 2013.02.03 02:37:00 -
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According to the novel "Templar One", which goes into some detail on the development of the cloning system, the somewhat modified human brain shape found on a stored Sleeper in one of their stations was a required part of the cloning system.
In EVE Online, normal bodies can be interfaced and their consciousnesses downloaded into cloned bodies thanks to the "pod", the containment system that holds capsuleer pilots in their ships. This system is capable of downloading the state of every neuron in the brain and transmitting it through a network to a medical cloning bay, which holds custom copies of the pilot's body.
To shrink this huge and advanced system into something that can fit in a skull is no easy task, and required some... interesting modifications. This technology was developed, but isn't easily modified, and can't currently be adapted to brains of non-human origin by any of the Empires. So sorry, no giant octopus bodies for dustbunnies. At least not yet. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2013.02.03 02:58:00 -
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Phoenix Archer 128 wrote:I would think it has to do with "you" being human...there would be a lot of psychological trauma that cannot be undone (since it is your "mind" that is being preserved) if you suddenly found yourself in another body that isn't your own (even if you wanted it). Just trying to gain control over the new body would scar your mind, and then there are the body's own instincts and desires that you just cannot understand...even if you found your way back to your own body, you'd be damaged beyond repair, all but useless.
It would be a similar thing, maybe to a slightly lesser extent, if your "mind" were to be thrown into another human's body/clone...there are things about it, even though it is human, that you just won't be able to understand or control properly.
I wonder if your "mind" is even compatible with any body but your own...most likely not.
You make a good point, though I think new brain systems that combine human memory and personality parts with motor control and the right sensory processing parts (based on the senses available on that body) could be bioengineered if you were advanced enough to bioengineer entirely new creatures from scratch. So I think the compatibility issue could be bypassed.
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:General Tiberius1 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Human Phsyce has to require a human body still.
While I think it would be cool to have wolf ears and that, the lore reasons where already stated before and the gallente found out the hard way you can't do what you mentioned. link so i can read plz? It was a dev post years ago... I would be a needle in a haystack find. Damn, I want to read it . Can you say the jist of what happened please? |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2013.02.03 03:02:00 -
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Gullegubben wrote:According to the novel "Templar One", which goes into some detail on the development of the cloning system, the somewhat modified human brain shape found on a stored Sleeper in one of their stations was a required part of the cloning system.
In EVE Online, normal bodies can be interfaced and their consciousnesses downloaded into cloned bodies thanks to the "pod", the containment system that holds capsuleer pilots in their ships. This system is capable of downloading the state of every neuron in the brain and transmitting it through a network to a medical cloning bay, which holds custom copies of the pilot's body.
To shrink this huge and advanced system into something that can fit in a skull is no easy task, and required some... interesting modifications. This technology was developed, but isn't easily modified, and can't currently be adapted to brains of non-human origin by any of the Empires. So sorry, no giant octopus bodies for dustbunnies. At least not yet.
What if the brain of the creature was a human brain with extra parts connected to it to allow for sensory processing and motor control, and the uneeded parts only relevant for specifically a human body was disabled? |
Mars El'Theran
Red Rogue Squadron Heart 0f Darkness
52
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Posted - 2013.02.03 03:22:00 -
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Our combat clones are already engineered. As for six arms, who's to say you'd have any idea how to use them? Your mind is still a Human pattern after all, and it stands to reason that your hosts mind should be too. Even if you had 6 arms, the chance is the other 4 would just hang limply at your sides. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2013.02.03 03:29:00 -
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Mars El'Theran wrote:Our combat clones are already engineered. As for six arms, who's to say you'd have any idea how to use them? Your mind is still a Human pattern after all, and it stands to reason that your hosts mind should be too. Even if you had 6 arms, the chance is the other 4 would just hang limply at your sides. I already mentioned it before twice in the thread how it could work. Human brain parts essential for personality and memory remain, but new parts are bioengineered for motor control and sensory processing of the nonhuman body. If you were advanced enough to bioengineer an entirely new creature, you may be advanced enough to bioengineer brain components and solve the neurological compatibility issues. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2013.02.03 03:33:00 -
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Well basically the guy was asking to have his mind shoved into a slaver hound body and the dev replied the 'human mind' couldn't handle that transition despite that we handle the transition into 'ships' all the time as their bodies but its all because the ships where built to the accommodation the mind entirely in its raw interfaces as though sitting at the ships own consoles or something.
It maybe just because somewhere in that machinery the subconscious is still aware of the frail human body inside that pod.
I guess the best guess as to reason not why would be to google up phantom limbs.
However if they offered wolf shaped helmets for aurum I so buy up on that. |
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