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Posted - 2013.02.03 02:02:00 -
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I would think it has to do with "you" being human...there would be a lot of psychological trauma that cannot be undone (since it is your "mind" that is being preserved) if you suddenly found yourself in another body that isn't your own (even if you wanted it). Just trying to gain control over the new body would scar your mind, and then there are the body's own instincts and desires that you just cannot understand...even if you found your way back to your own body, you'd be damaged beyond repair, all but useless.
It would be a similar thing, maybe to a slightly lesser extent, if your "mind" were to be thrown into another human's body/clone...there are things about it, even though it is human, that you just won't be able to understand or control properly.
I wonder if your "mind" is even compatible with any body but your own...most likely not. |
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General Tiberius1 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:General Tiberius1 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Human Phsyce has to require a human body still.
While I think it would be cool to have wolf ears and that, the lore reasons where already stated before and the gallente found out the hard way you can't do what you mentioned. link so i can read plz? It was a dev post years ago... I would be a needle in a haystack find.  if it's been years, maybe they've fixed the problem?
Doubt it lol...I think there would be a huge outcry from the other three if the Gallente were found to be merging humans with other animals...especially the Amarr... |
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Mars El'Theran wrote:Our combat clones are already engineered. As for six arms, who's to say you'd have any idea how to use them? Your mind is still a Human pattern after all, and it stands to reason that your hosts mind should be too. Even if you had 6 arms, the chance is the other 4 would just hang limply at your sides. I already mentioned it before twice in the thread how it could work. Human brain parts essential for personality and memory remain, but new parts are bioengineered for motor control and sensory processing of the nonhuman body. If you were advanced enough to bioengineer an entirely new creature, you may be advanced enough to bioengineer brain components and solve the neurological compatibility issues.
Actually, I think it would fail not based on the brain, but based on the "you". Your "mind" doesn't have the knowledge of extra arms or another body, so forcing you into something alien would be a shock; at the very best, you'd have to go through a long period of time adjusting to your new form until you've become comfortable in it (though you'd probably never be as good as with your real body), at worst, you've just fried your mind (kinda like a capsuleer going into a clone way to "small" for them when podded), and going back to your body won't fix it.
It would take years and years of research to find just how to fix that problem, IMO, since its not possible to "skill" for it until enough people that have gone through the process and given up their knowledge (or something like that...no clue how they work lol) |
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Well basically the guy was asking to have his mind shoved into a slaver hound body and the dev replied the 'human mind' couldn't handle that transition despite that we handle the transition into 'ships' all the time as their bodies but its all because the ships where built to the accommodation the mind entirely in its raw interfaces as though sitting at the ships own consoles or something.
It maybe just because somewhere in that machinery the subconscious is still aware of the frail human body inside that pod.
I guess the best guess as to reason not why would be to google up phantom limbs.
However if they offered wolf shaped helmets for aurum I so buy up on that. scifi furries 
Well, warriors throughout time have decorated themselves with animals to try to gain their "power" (whatever their culture places as a positive attribute the animal would give) to help them in battle. Don't see why it would be a bad thing now. |
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Phoenix Archer 128 wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Mars El'Theran wrote:Our combat clones are already engineered. As for six arms, who's to say you'd have any idea how to use them? Your mind is still a Human pattern after all, and it stands to reason that your hosts mind should be too. Even if you had 6 arms, the chance is the other 4 would just hang limply at your sides. I already mentioned it before twice in the thread how it could work. Human brain parts essential for personality and memory remain, but new parts are bioengineered for motor control and sensory processing of the nonhuman body. If you were advanced enough to bioengineer an entirely new creature, you may be advanced enough to bioengineer brain components and solve the neurological compatibility issues. Actually, I think it would fail not based on the brain, but based on the "you". Your "mind" doesn't have the knowledge of extra arms or another body, so forcing you into something alien would be a shock; at the very best, you'd have to go through a long period of time adjusting to your new form until you've become comfortable in it (though you'd probably never be as good as with your real body), at worst, you've just fried your mind (kinda like a capsuleer going into a clone way to "small" for them when podded), and going back to your body won't fix it. It would take years and years of research to find just how to fix that problem, IMO, since its not possible to "skill" for it until enough people that have gone through the process and given up their knowledge (or something like that...no clue how they work lol) I see the mind, or "identity" as a process or actions actively performed by the brain, and that the mind is not an entity. Changing the brain should change how the actions (or mind) is being performed. I think the right brain changes would definitely solve the issue you bring up.
But...what about, in EVE, when you die and forgot to keep your clone updated and so you lose things and have to retrain?
I think it would be more like that; the inferior clone is now more or less a foreign or "alien" body, and you don't "mesh" well with it, and so damage to "you" occurs |
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Regarding your question about clone updating, I have no idea. Never played EVE, just dabbled in lore. It may well be that the way I think of the mind isn't how the EVE writers think of it.
I just grabbed the cloning article from the EVElopedia; I'm guessing its as good a source on this as any, and its got at least a decent explanation on it. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Cloning
Maybe an EVE player can explain this whole thing better. |
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:This is why we suspect Sansha ships as of late have gotten extremely dangerous.
When you attempt to marry a consciousness into a ship without the proper genetics that makes them emperyan they suffer a condition known as watergraving, thus can never be unplugged ever.
Sansha kidnapped a few million people in the opening days of his return and this is likely what he did with those poor souls scooped the important parts of individuality out of their brains and water-graved them all.
As for us we are just as capable of embodiment as the empyrean are. Why do you think your drop suit gets 5% more effective health armor points when you train up the field mechanics skill? The largest ships we may be commanding with our minds is probably the MCC.
I wonder what would happen if they captured some Dust mercs... |
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Posted - 2013.02.03 19:56:00 -
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Who says they didn't try? |
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Posted - 2013.02.05 02:41:00 -
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Zat Earthshatter wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Good point. It would be a dumb way to die, being gods of genetic manipulation, yet still fail at fixing a genetic problem.. Tragic irony - a plot device of many classics, as it's equal parts fitting to the characters and warning to the audience. I would have to double-check the EVElopedia article, but I believe one of the final-term symptoms was a loss of the will to live - hence, you would be correct.
It is... |
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I just remembered one disturbing detail of where Jovian are recently.
While seemingly unlikely, Its suspected Sansha's nation has invaded their space and won.
Got a source?
That would be bad if true... |
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Well, insects have compound eyes and probably could focus on more than one thing at a time (especially if by "insectoid" you also include arachnids, which have 4 sets of eyes and definitely can focus on multiple things at once)
I do not agree with the whole premise of turning us into animals (or freaky hybrids) in this setting; it just doesn't fit. |
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Skihids wrote:The biggest problem with becoming a six armed bug is the Six Axis Controller and your own two hands.
How do you control six limbs with two? How do you simultaneously aim at three different targets with one controller?
That's also very true as well. Multi-weapon characters just won't work with us having only two hands lol. The others are feasible, at least...but not setting appropriate IMO |
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