i would totally love to grief people.

bring on FF. i want to kill the red lined snipers on my team.

Since we are allegedly getting friendly fire how do people feel about a VTK option.

What do you mean by red lined sniper? Do you mean one who sits in their own safe zone or one who sits at the edge of the map?

What do you mean by red lined sniper? Do you mean one who sits in their own safe zone or one who sits at the edge of the map?

Why can't you sniper haters see that we actually do a job for you? Earlier today I was in a match with one other sniper on our team, we both sat in the field of play and between us managed to kill more than half the enemies clones, this was on a skirmish match where our team's MCC was just about dead when the enemy ran out of clones. The sniping won that match, you don't hear snipers crying about the frontline troops not doing their job but when we do our job you all start crying like carebears in an asteroid field of pirates.

You do your job we'll do ours.

you don't do your job. at all. half the team is in the hills doing a whole lot of diddly. near you sniped a guy in a well fortified area. good for you, your KDR is so high.

oh wait there are 14 of them. that certainly gives the 6-7 on the field a great opportunity.

I have positions on most maps where I can cover at least 3 bases, I have killed many opponents trying to hack a friendly base which was left uncovered by you frontline lot running abiut like headless chickens trying to win WPs. I have cleared a base of enemies as a group of blues attack it leaving a clear path for you uber clones to get through. The thanks snipers get? Oh we'll just team kill them when we get FF or we'll stand in front of them when they are trying to take a shot.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/military/story/2012-04-23/snipers-warfare-technology-training/54845142/1

Have a read of that.

Fyi I care not for WP or SP I like to enjoy the game, if I could I'd quite happily send you all my WP leaderboards are for egotistical narciccists and the fact that snipers are being griefed so much is testament to this. Grow the **** up.

ETA I just went 42/0 in a match which we won, about 25% of those were snipers for the opposite team, how is that not doing my job?

Good way of dealing with repeated team killers. The game has to be in player's hands, and CCP shouldn't be expect to kick people for team-killing since it will be a game mechanic and not an exploit (and fits the whole normal EVE brutality thing). We do need options though for dealing with team killers. VTK is the best tool to let players get rid of team killers; it has to be cross-squad though, or else team killers will just leave squad to avoid being kicked. To prevent abuse VTK should only be an option on those who committed a team kill recently.

because it's inconsistant
if snipers could actually give the entire team what they see rather than just the squad they are paired up in.
i wouldn't have a problem with having them in the red zone because i am benefitting by knowing where the enemies are located and gives me an idea of where to place myself to out flank their position.

it ticks me off when i see an entire squad of snipers sitting in the red line doing nothing but killing one or enemies while i am still getting sniped at myself.

it would change the entire battle if everyone shared the same radar rather than just squads.

Recycling another old post from: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=350218#post350218

In reading all of these great ideas, I think maybe the teamkilling mechanic I was to see is this:




GÇóAny merc must be able to kill any other merc in any situation. That's New Eden.
GÇóFF-Team and FF-Squad kills on every merc's public record. Let the solution to team killers come from the community.
GÇóTeamkilling drops your security status, and eventually pushes you out to losec, then nullsec. What you have to do to grind it back up i don't care, so long as it is a grind.



VTK(Vote-To-Kick) systems are easy to abuse, don't like the idea of new players getting kicked from squads for whatever arbitrary reason. Maybe a 1 minute vote window for a certain amount of teamkilling, maybe modified by the player's teamkilling history. If the poor merc wasn't doing it intentionally you'd be doing them a favor kicking them before their security status dropped too low. The game could autosend a mail saying 'you were vote-kicked by your squadmates for TKing'.

Mag is the best example I know of that has FF on, and TKing isn't really much of a problem there, even in pub matches. MAG does have a VTK system, tho, and i'm sure the TKers know it.

Since we are allegedly getting friendly fire how do people feel about a VTK option.

5 tk's = boot. This worked well in warhawk.

Mercs it's time to HTFU!!

This is New Eden, it's a cold and brutal place VTK cannot happen in this world!! TKing is a mechanic we need to have, and the repercussions must come from the community not from people voting you out of the match!

EVE and Dust are 2 different games and in most cases you can't use things that work in EVE and expect them to work for dust.

They're not two different games. Dust is the ground side and Eve is the space side of the same game. They're just two different aspects. It's all one galaxy where the actions of players on either aspect can affect the New Eden universe in it's entirety. So... It's the same game.

Welcome to New Eden carebears.

One is an FPS and one is an RPG, my point is that some ways of doing things in one of them does not work for the other.

One is an FPS and one is an RPG, my point is that some ways of doing things in one of them does not work for the other.

....this system worked remarkably well- if you were that pissed off you could afford to kill one or 2 team mates per hour- which is not a huge incentive to go out and randomly kill blues but say one random guy pisses you off once per hour you have the leeway to kill one team mate per hour.

until I can run an entire match with my corporation friendly fire has no place in this game.

VTK would be fine if you only allow it after someone TK's someone else. You TK'd someone? Well, you're now eligible to be voted out. Don't want to be voted out? Be careful and don't kill your teammates.

Since we are allegedly getting friendly fire how do people feel about a VTK option.

NO! since it screws over poor newbies.

In case I was unclear about VTK:

HELL NO!!!!!

Automatic is better when a friendly kills a friendly then that blue dot gets AUTO kicked and NOT! player voted kicked.

As I said, just enable the option for kicking the player for the whole team once someone kills a team member. 3 votes need to be given by anyone in the team to kick anyone on the team who has TK'd someone. Make sure it's marked on the scoreboard any time someone kills a teammate so you know who to kick. Done, settled, finished.

This way we don't have indiscriminate kicking, we don't have players in a solo squad TKing for fun without being able to be kicked, and we don't have to worry about only one person in the team having the power to kick.

Simple as that.

Tech, please note my post earlier in this thread:


I think this would be more than agreeable for all parties involved.

Since we are allegedly getting friendly fire how do people feel about a VTK option.

Tech, please note my post earlier in this thread:


I think this would be more than agreeable for all parties involved.

Agreed
We can't use the EVE system because there is no CONCORD to police the players; you can't have NPCs running around in pubmatches in lowsec space shooting people that have a low sec rating (well I suppose you could but it would be pretty dumb lol)

So in that case why not make the community the policeing element? Everyone has a security rating that is a function of ones ratio of TKs to enemy kills or overall kills. This sec rating can be viewed on the char info card for anyone to see; in addition as ones sec rating drops the color of there chevron and there dot on the map changes, eventually becoming a glaringly different color that is easy to recognise once the sec rating has droped low enough. This way if a notorious TKer is in a match not only do they have to contend with the redberries but also everyone on there team that may just shoot on sight as if they were a red dot (there should be some kind of sliding scale were the lower the sec rating of the person you TK the less it will affect your own sec rating).
This kind of system would help to discourage wanton TKers but still leave the door open to corp betrayal. We are mercs dammit, if your corp takes a contract and then is offered allot of ISK from the opposing contractor to turn on the rest of the team mid match you should be able to do that with out fear of getting voted out of the scenario, you have to make the decision weather or not the ISK is worth the drop in sec rating.

Just my .02isk on the subject, but I am adamantly opposed to any kind of VTK or auto kick system in this game.

Recycling another old post from: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=350218#post350218

In reading all of these great ideas, I think maybe the teamkilling mechanic I was to see is this:

GÇóAny merc must be able to kill any other merc in any situation. That's New Eden.
GÇóFF-Team and FF-Squad kills on every merc's public record. Let the solution to team killers come from the community.
GÇóTeamkilling drops your security status, and eventually pushes you out to losec, then nullsec. What you have to do to grind it back up i don't care, so long as it is a grind.

^^^THIS^^^

All you people wanting VTK are forgetting the fact that this is New Eden and CCP we are talking about, NOT some game that hand-holds you all the time. Anyone who plays EVE would know this.

Also think about it this way:
An EVE pilot from one corp creates a Dust merc and joins a rival corp. Why? To TK "by accident", sabotage, and gather intel. If there was a VTK system this would become impossible and undermine one of the whole points of combining the two games.

As I said, just enable the option for kicking the player for the whole team once someone kills a team member. 3 votes need to be given by anyone in the team to kick anyone on the team who has TK'd someone. Make sure it's marked on the scoreboard any time someone kills a teammate so you know who to kick. Done, settled, finished.

This way we don't have indiscriminate kicking, we don't have players in a solo squad TKing for fun without being able to be kicked, and we don't have to worry about only one person in the team having the power to kick.

Simple as that.