i would totally love to grief people.

bring on FF. i want to kill the red lined snipers on my team.

Since we are allegedly getting friendly fire how do people feel about a VTK option.

What do you mean by red lined sniper? Do you mean one who sits in their own safe zone or one who sits at the edge of the map?

What do you mean by red lined sniper? Do you mean one who sits in their own safe zone or one who sits at the edge of the map?

Why can't you sniper haters see that we actually do a job for you? Earlier today I was in a match with one other sniper on our team, we both sat in the field of play and between us managed to kill more than half the enemies clones, this was on a skirmish match where our team's MCC was just about dead when the enemy ran out of clones. The sniping won that match, you don't hear snipers crying about the frontline troops not doing their job but when we do our job you all start crying like carebears in an asteroid field of pirates.

You do your job we'll do ours.

you don't do your job. at all. half the team is in the hills doing a whole lot of diddly. near you sniped a guy in a well fortified area. good for you, your KDR is so high.

oh wait there are 14 of them. that certainly gives the 6-7 on the field a great opportunity.

I have positions on most maps where I can cover at least 3 bases, I have killed many opponents trying to hack a friendly base which was left uncovered by you frontline lot running abiut like headless chickens trying to win WPs. I have cleared a base of enemies as a group of blues attack it leaving a clear path for you uber clones to get through. The thanks snipers get? Oh we'll just team kill them when we get FF or we'll stand in front of them when they are trying to take a shot.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/military/story/2012-04-23/snipers-warfare-technology-training/54845142/1

Have a read of that.

Fyi I care not for WP or SP I like to enjoy the game, if I could I'd quite happily send you all my WP leaderboards are for egotistical narciccists and the fact that snipers are being griefed so much is testament to this. Grow the **** up.

ETA I just went 42/0 in a match which we won, about 25% of those were snipers for the opposite team, how is that not doing my job?

Good way of dealing with repeated team killers. The game has to be in player's hands, and CCP shouldn't be expect to kick people for team-killing since it will be a game mechanic and not an exploit (and fits the whole normal EVE brutality thing). We do need options though for dealing with team killers. VTK is the best tool to let players get rid of team killers; it has to be cross-squad though, or else team killers will just leave squad to avoid being kicked. To prevent abuse VTK should only be an option on those who committed a team kill recently.

because it's inconsistant
if snipers could actually give the entire team what they see rather than just the squad they are paired up in.
i wouldn't have a problem with having them in the red zone because i am benefitting by knowing where the enemies are located and gives me an idea of where to place myself to out flank their position.

it ticks me off when i see an entire squad of snipers sitting in the red line doing nothing but killing one or enemies while i am still getting sniped at myself.

it would change the entire battle if everyone shared the same radar rather than just squads.

Recycling another old post from: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=350218#post350218

In reading all of these great ideas, I think maybe the teamkilling mechanic I was to see is this:




GÇóAny merc must be able to kill any other merc in any situation. That's New Eden.
GÇóFF-Team and FF-Squad kills on every merc's public record. Let the solution to team killers come from the community.
GÇóTeamkilling drops your security status, and eventually pushes you out to losec, then nullsec. What you have to do to grind it back up i don't care, so long as it is a grind.



VTK(Vote-To-Kick) systems are easy to abuse, don't like the idea of new players getting kicked from squads for whatever arbitrary reason. Maybe a 1 minute vote window for a certain amount of teamkilling, maybe modified by the player's teamkilling history. If the poor merc wasn't doing it intentionally you'd be doing them a favor kicking them before their security status dropped too low. The game could autosend a mail saying 'you were vote-kicked by your squadmates for TKing'.

Mag is the best example I know of that has FF on, and TKing isn't really much of a problem there, even in pub matches. MAG does have a VTK system, tho, and i'm sure the TKers know it.

Since we are allegedly getting friendly fire how do people feel about a VTK option.