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Matobar
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
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Posted - 2013.02.01 13:54:00 -
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People being harassed is no joke, regardless of why it's going on. Just the other day Riot Games Permabanned a few people, pro players actually, for being anti-semetic and just plain mean to other players. This kind of harsh stance is exactly what is necessary in order to keep the player base from destroying itself.
I'm not saying that good-natured ribbing should be punished. People should know that they have the ability, at any time, to submit a report of harassment to CCP, and that this report will be reviewed and taken seriously. If players, of any gender or background, can't feel safe playing DUST, then they simply won't play, which is bad for everyone in the long run. And I don't think I speak for myself when I say that I'm actually pretty sick of videogaming's reputation as a haven for the worst womanizers and children society has to offer, where all girls should fear to tread.
Denying that harassment is happening is just letting the problem continue. It's very easy to say "just ignore it" or "HTFU" if you're not the one with the problem. The best thing you can do is show support for the affected party, either in this thread, or by submitting a report if you witness harassment going on. In this way you can help CCP build a better gaming community for DUST, one that deserves to play this epic game we're getting from them. |
Matobar
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.01 17:06:00 -
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The Jesus Christ wrote:Hey, people follow me around on the bridge because of my username, wheres my report button?
People following you around happens very often on the bridge, most people do it out of boredom.
Although people saying stuff that may be sexist or count as harrassment does need to be reported and acted upon, but seriously, people following you around on the bridge? Thats been happening to me since early Beta and I dont have a female character nor am I female.
The fact that she was followed s not necessarily indicative of harassment, but it can be seen as part of a larger problem: the understood social norm that women in games have to "put up with" whatever men can do or say to them. The short answer: they don't. The long answer: a concerted effort should be made to encourage players who feel harassed/verbally attacked/discriminated against for any reason to submit a report or some other form of feedback to CCP. They need to know they have the ability to cry foul when it happens, and that CCP will listen to what they have to say.
I'm not calling CCP out on anything, but I do encourage them to make said effort. For a long time the enforcement of basic rules of social conduct in online games has been lax, especially in MMOs. And as I said previously, a bad social climate will drive away potential players, which hurts everyone. |
Matobar
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.01 19:37:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:Although I completely agree that people in games can be absolutely ret@rded when it comes to speaking appropriately to a female.........this cannot be something that they do. This would completely ruin the game. How could there ever be proof of a "sexual harrassment" charge? Are we just going to take the word of the person who made the charge? Talk about giving trolls the tools they need to grief any player they want. If women are having a hard time with this then there are a couple options for them (already mentioned but ohwell). A) squad up with people you know so you dont have to listen to moronic kids (or college students). B) Turn off your mic so that you dont have to listen to them if they are going on and you choose not do to option A (or noone is on to do option A). C) understand that people on the internet are stupid moronic ret@rds and this is not something you will be able to change the best thing you can do is ignore it if you want to continue playing.
Another option if they dont stop is to just start TKing them. Enjoy the ghost LAV to TK the idiots who wont leave you alone.
So, I'll repeat myself here: it is extremely easy to say "squad with certain people only" or "turn of your mic" or "be a ****" as solutions to bad treatment. But this just points out the extremely unfair treatment women are receiving. The fact that we need these solutions at all is the main issue, and doing them will not change the overall problem: that women are treated very poorly in online videogames. None of the solutions you gave are going to fix that. The only way to effectively deal with the issue on a large scale is to empower all players with the ability to report anyone who wrongs them.
Your fear that trolls will use this as a griefing tool is pretty inaccurate. CCP is not dumb. They have ways of finding out if a report is legitimate or not. If a user has multiple reports from multiple people, it's a lot more likely that they are actually harassing people, and less likely that it's one dedicated troll trying to **** them over. Conversely, it's a simple matter to see if the accounts submitting the reports are all created by the same IP, which would indicate someone abusing the privilege, which would lead to that person's reprimanding, or worse, outright ban.
It's never a good idea to alienate a significant portion of the player community. 30% of the online gaming population today is adult women. Why shouldn't they be given a way to push back against people who attack them for being different? Not acknowledging the problem is just letting it go on and on, and all that is doing is hurting DUST in the long run. |
Matobar
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.02 02:26:00 -
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Grendel Aurelius wrote:When did society get so weak, thin-skinned, and irrational that interactions that take place online, i.e., NOT REALLY HAPPENING IN THE REAL WORLD, can seriously be considered harassment?
This is all in the same theme as cyber bullying... which will probably be the theme of a new post after someone gets upset about being shot in an FPS game.
Nothing that happens online is REAL. You're actually in the comfort of your own home when these interactions are taking place. If you cannot discern that key difference on your own perhaps you aren't equipped to deal with interacting with faraway people in make believe lands.
When I was a kid and an older kid felt like 'harassing' me with his fists I couldn't just ignore him or turn off the PS3. Wish I could have but in the long run getting smacked around a bit probably did me some good. It just blows my mind that the quality of people can disintegrate so quickly as to allow fake interactions to be seriously mistaken for something like 'harassment'.
If you'd like to see actual examples of sexual harassment I'd recommend you wiki women's suffrage and quit embarrassing yourself with the pretense that anything of the like is possible in this GAME.
So you seem to have a very narrow view of harassment. However, I took part of your advice, and wiki'd harassment, and this is the defintion I got: "Harassment is commonly understood as behaviour intended to disturb or upset, and it is characteristically repetitive. In the legal sense, it is intentional behaviour which is found threatening or disturbing." Nowhere here is there anything that says harassment can take place only in face-to-face situations. Internet-bullying is entirely possible as seen in this case here.
It seems I have to repeat myself one more time. Am I saying all men are harassers? No. Am I saying all women are innocent? Also no. But there IS a culture on the internet of men harassing women, sexually or otherwise. As I've said before, all this is doing is harming DUST by driving away a significant potential player base (30% of gamers are women older than 18) because some people can't get their heads out of their collective asses. The best way to combat the unstated truth of female harassment in online games is to empower not just women, but all players with the knowledge that they can quickly and easy submit their grievances to CCP, and that those submitions will be seriously considered.
It's very, very easy for someone who has never experienced harassment, especially a man who has not, to claim that there is no problem, or that the problem can be easily dealt with through things like "only squadding with certain people," "voice changing," or "turning off the microphone." But these don't solve the real issue. Instead of telling women to "get over it" or "HTFU" or blaming them for their own victimization, think about what you, personally, can do to make them feel welcome on DUST. And this should extend to all players, because whether you admit it or not the more people playing DUST the better for everyone. |
Matobar
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.02 04:14:00 -
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Grendel Aurelius wrote:Matobar wrote:Grendel Aurelius wrote:When did society get so weak, thin-skinned, and irrational that interactions that take place online, i.e., NOT REALLY HAPPENING IN THE REAL WORLD, can seriously be considered harassment?
This is all in the same theme as cyber bullying... which will probably be the theme of a new post after someone gets upset about being shot in an FPS game.
Nothing that happens online is REAL. You're actually in the comfort of your own home when these interactions are taking place. If you cannot discern that key difference on your own perhaps you aren't equipped to deal with interacting with faraway people in make believe lands.
When I was a kid and an older kid felt like 'harassing' me with his fists I couldn't just ignore him or turn off the PS3. Wish I could have but in the long run getting smacked around a bit probably did me some good. It just blows my mind that the quality of people can disintegrate so quickly as to allow fake interactions to be seriously mistaken for something like 'harassment'.
If you'd like to see actual examples of sexual harassment I'd recommend you wiki women's suffrage and quit embarrassing yourself with the pretense that anything of the like is possible in this GAME. So you seem to have a very narrow view of harassment. However, I took part of your advice, and wiki'd harassment, and this is the defintion I got: "Harassment is commonly understood as behaviour intended to disturb or upset, and it is characteristically repetitive. In the legal sense, it is intentional behaviour which is found threatening or disturbing." Nowhere here is there anything that says harassment can take place only in face-to-face situations. Internet-bullying is entirely possible as seen in this case here. It seems I have to repeat myself one more time. Am I saying all men are harassers? No. Am I saying all women are innocent? Also no. But there IS a culture on the internet of men harassing women, sexually or otherwise. As I've said before, all this is doing is harming DUST by driving away a significant potential player base (30% of gamers are women older than 18) because some people can't get their heads out of their collective asses. The best way to combat the unstated truth of female harassment in online games is to empower not just women, but all players with the knowledge that they can quickly and easy submit their grievances to CCP, and that those submitions will be seriously considered. It's very, very easy for someone who has never experienced harassment, especially a man who has not, to claim that there is no problem, or that the problem can be easily dealt with through things like "only squadding with certain people," "voice changing," or "turning off the microphone." But these don't solve the real issue. Instead of telling women to "get over it" or "HTFU" or blaming them for their own victimization, think about what you, personally, can do to make them feel welcome on DUST. And this should extend to all players, because whether you admit it or not the more people playing DUST the better for everyone. So, by your own admission you have the mentality of an unstable child? because that is what your example equates to. My view of harassment is narrow with regards to the extent reality. If you can remove yourself from the harassment with no consequences then it's not really harassment. A further view could even be taken that by putting yourself repeatedly in these situations and then demanding everyone ELSE modify their behavior, perhaps the problem is actually you. By the way, why are you being so disagreeable. I see you continually looking down at where my avatar's ***** would be and I feel quite violated right now. So violated that I can' t stop coming back here to be violated over and over again.
So what I hear you saying is that people who feel they are being harassed should just leave? Stop playing DUST? Every single woman gamer who thinks they've been wronged should just stop playing the game? This is exactly my point: mentalities like yours are going to harm DUST in the long run. |
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