I just hate cries of OP, and think that anyone who cries OP is just being foolish and not actually trying to think things out objectively. They are too self centered and can not be trusted in these types of matters.

I can not think of any gun in DUST that doesn't have a weakness. I can not think of any gun that is OP right now.

I want buffs, not nerfs. Balance by buff.

Sorry but skipped over everything from after the OP...


Don't have much problems with the way heavies are right now except for the fact they can drive. The free LAV makes the movement speed of any heavy non-factor when traveling to objective to objective. Make it so they can be a passenger but not a driver, make them work as a team if a heavy needs to travel over the map, not sure if this should be the same for tanks and DSs but that my .2 isk on balancing heavies.

CoD? What the heck is that? Oh...you mean the crappy "everybody wins" game that isn't worth $5 yet people pay $60 every year?

There is such a thing as balance, and the HMG does not fit into the balance right now. It is too easy. If anything...the current HMG is more akin to the CoD experience than any other gun...

Sorry but skipped over everything from after the OP...


Don't have much problems with the way heavies are right now except for the fact they can drive. The free LAV makes the movement speed of any heavy non-factor when traveling to objective to objective. Make it so they can be a passenger but not a driver, make them work as a team if a heavy needs to travel over the map, not sure if this should be the same for tanks and DSs but that my .2 isk on balancing heavies.

What is it that EVE players are fond of saying??

Adapt or Die. I like that...separates the men from the boys...

The men adapt while the boys...they b*tch on a forum.

Vehicle popcorn?
1 AV grenade and heavy is damaged and a few SMG bullets or HMG bullets and death taxi is deadsville.
Jeeps equal free kills so I need more jeeps being used.

...And then there are those that b*tch on the forums about the people b*tching on the forums, are they men or boys?

Oh, and then there's people like me, who b*tch about the people b*tching about the people b*tching on the forums. It's becoming recursive... Will it ever end!!!! fuuuuuuuuu....... -> [blackhole]

Are you really going to try to say "since we can't test everything at once, leave everything the way it is"?

Make up an experiment to show accuracy's effect on damage. Go ahead, I've got plenty of time to wait for you. I did the damage experiment, the least you can do is make one to support accuracy

As I learned in Battlefield, if the only people that have a voice are the ones complaining....then that's the voice the reaches the Dev's ears.

Thankfully, the people who are whining about weapons being over-powered don't seem to be the majority. The ranks seem to be evenly divided, or even leaning against them.

Well, if you happen to have a AV grenade on you..

Or else get mowed down lol.

My usual route with heavies is just cooking a grenade and moving back while zig zagging, throw the grenade at their feet and aim at the head.

Very valid point. Bf3 did turn in to a mess. I only ever play that to fly helis these days. anyway, I just made a funny, there you gone and screwed it up with your logic....

Every fit has AV grenades since bullets do the rest for just suits.

Give things time. Too many new players running around in paper-thin militia crap right now. The HMG was fine last build, it just feels OP now because we all had to start from scratch and a lot of peeps can't survive that initial OMG it's a heavy, crap I'm dead moments that all militia gear with little to no skills in shield boosters and such will be experiencing in the short term.

Leave it alone, give people time to actually train into fits and then evaluate. Also, tactics, cover, blah, blah, blahdity blah, etc.

I got it this time

TL;DR Kaserai Mandrag is either really bad at fps' or not an fps player and he expresses his anger at sensible logic by not using logic when he says he uses logic

The HMG needs something to happen to it; it just does. I have one corp-mate who is absolutely destroying everyone using it (have a screencap of him going 30/0 using mostly militia stuff, obviously not the HMG, and his KDR is something like an 18. His main is a Logi, and he isn't killing things at all like he does with the HMG), and a few others with little Dust experience who do a ton better with the HMG than they do with any other gun.



What do I think needs to happen to the HMG?

Give it the range of an SMG, maybe a little more. That's it; no damage nerf, no RoF nerf, no overheating nerf. Just cut the range. Make it absolutely deadly up close, and only up close. Make people fear getting close to a Heavy, or meeting one around a corner. We shouldn't have to dive for cover when they're 40-60m away like we do now.

EDIT: I have killed more than my fair share of Heavies, not just militia but also those who really know how to spec into the role. I don't just stand there like an idiot when I see one, I get to cover or do my best to keep moving if I can't. But I don't know how many times I've been killed by an HMG at a good range as I sprint to cover, from full health.

TL;DR Shotguns are OP.