It rewards you for doing good up until the cap, so you reach your cap faster and can either get off the game or (once they implement the new system) have more time than all those scrubs out there to farm 1k SP every match.

You're still gonna pull WAY ahead of everyone else in the long run. Why are you so set on maxing out your skills tomorrow instead of what is good for the whole game and the whole player base of the game?

To the OP: people are perfectly within their rights to disagree with you. and many of us do.

So your pontificating simply shows you to be an obnoxious derp who's throwing a tantrum because he's being slowed to the pace of everyone around him.

get over it, because the imperfect voice is not the voice of the forums. By and large, not many of us really care what you want.

Your post makes no sense. Come back when you can construct a proper argument.

Alright here's my 2 cents,

+1 to the post = cent 1

Cent 2,

If we go with 1k after cap each game, let me tell you how quickly we will go in and farm ambush matches. Honestly I almost prefer this option, because by the time I'm done with 1 skirmish match I will have earned alot more sp from ambush, tons more especially if I join towards the end of ambush matches.


Now what the OP is basically saying that I take from anyways, is with the other option 1wp=1sp you are less likely to have farmers as you have to actually do good in a match instead of getting 1 kill in a match then hiding to earn your 1k sp.

Granted the top players, say 5-10% of players will get 1.5k and up per game or per skirmish, I got 3500 wp today in skirmish which would = the same amount with a 1000sp soft cap in terms of time if I had played ambush matches during that game.


The people who want to have the 1k soft cap are either bad players or scared of being left behind so much you'd rather hinder the rest of us and farm sp for free when you don't even earn it.

By employing the 1k soft cap YOU ARE FARMING the sp system.

Post over.

Except the ones that only play 1 day a week or the ones that play 2 days a week and cap out but then fall WAY behind even though they play EVERY week.

It's not the better you play it's the more you play, the cap means the better you play the faster you reach the cap and can focus on other things.

I've posted this in multiple places, but it deserves it's own thread.
The problem with the weekly cap is it ensures that newer players will NEVER be given the opportunity to catch up to people who have been playing longer, let alone have a somewhat even playing field. CCP needs to quit catering the game to a "casual" player-base that doesn't exist.

Seriously.....

The "pooor new guys will never catch up" argument is just LOL. The rollover system will need to add something for that. But saying that soft cap should be 1wp=1Sp so they have a chance is just plane hypocritical... even worse, older player that will have farmed over the cap for 6 month farming noobs for SP will be even harder to catch up with in the first place. And as they ll have knowledge of the game they will keep digging the gap as they re bound to do way more SP over the cap than noobs for the same amount of play time.

And the money part ? LOL. Forgetting about the +50% on the cap itself ? And if soft cap is 1000 sp. That will mean an extra 5000 sp each game. So do explain where we re being robbed there ?

Protoman, you re entitled to your opinion but stop calling people dumb because they disagree coz that s pretty much all you do here. Never have i seen you post about people s idea or suggestion to improve the game in a constructive way... All you do is qqqqqqqq for what YOU want.... grow up.

Option #2 should be called charity. Getting 1000 (1,500 with booster) for either being terrible or good.... A joke for a sp system. You should have to earn it

I just switched my vote because originally i thought option 5 was for an unrestricted SP gain with no CAP of any kind.


It's a weekly cap + no limit on soft CAP. However from i understand the soft cap still means 1WP=1SP. Well if thats the case i think that is fine because in most Skirmish matches i wont get much higher than 1000 SP avg WP for me is about 1200-1400 WP. I have had games of 2000+ and reached 3000WP once.

In the larger WP games it was because it was a large map with multiple objectives and multiple things to hack.

Another thing to consider is redline matches DIMINISH your WP potential since once a team is redlined there is hardly anything to generate WP except resupply, revive, repair, kills, assists. Sounds like a lot but against a team that is redlined its not like there will be much need for those things. And kills/assists will be fought over for by the entire team.


When the match is hotly contested then WP gains is easier but that means you have two relatively equal teams and there is a back and forth that deserves a better SP reward by way of more WP that you gain from rehacking stuff. But this scenario is far and few between when you have a team of vets vs noobs. But vets vs vets and NOOBS vs NOOBS offer the greatest WP generation and both instances allow for a fair SP acquisition.


Of course if one squad has a tank and proceed to destroy every installation that is a lot WP that can be hogged by that individual 100-120 WP per installation adds up fast. But even then it often results in a redline situation and the player isnt likely to get more than 2000SP in a skirmish match which lasts roughly twice as long as ambush where top players are consistently earning in the 800-1200 WP range every game. So it ultimately works out.

Everyone saying they get 4000+ SP games on a regular forget that is before they hit the cap which provides SP for WP plus time spent in game. Once the cap hits the soft cap will ONLY be 1WP=1SP, im sorry nobody here is earning more than 2000WP/game on a regular basis unless the games are very hotly contested. If you are seeing this then you are either playing other vets or more likely not playing all that well because hardcore vets limit your WP potential by way of redlining anyway. This mean casual players are more likely to benefit since they are the most likely to be involved in matches that result in volatility where as vets will often get a team redlined and then be limited to how much more WP they will gain.


Ultimately the way the game dishes out WP and how greater skill against a team of less skill can actually hurt your WP generation this serves as an inherent check and balance against vets players while helping casual and newer players.


In conclusion based on my above arguments it is HIGHLY UNLIKELY a person will earn more than 1000 SP per game in ambush and also balances skirmish where 2x time spent in match gives 2x potential SP on avg instead of a blanket 1000SP.

Think about those numbers for a second you know i am right. If option 2 goes into effect there will be no point to skirmish once cap is hit since 1000SP soft cap in either mode makes ambush more attractive. Whereas no limit on Soft cap other than the 1WP=1SP (this is what option 5 means) corrects for the time imbalance between ambush and skirmish while still giving an avg of 1000SP per 7min cycle.

I base this on the fact that most of my ambush matches last me about 7 mins or less

Skirmish match fully redlined lasts about 10-12 minuts.(These matches will very unlikely see greater than 2000WP for the top players in the match)

Matches that last longer will generate higher WP and thus more SP but its still avg out to 1000SP/7mins of game time

3000WP=3000SP but ill bet everything that match lasted close to 20-full 25 minutes.

Do you see how option 5 balances the time difference between both modes while still playing close to the 1000WP/match limit option 2 would have across all game modes?

Option #2 is charity. Any SP gained after reaching the cap should have to be earned.

Option 5 is potentially better in the short term, but it will be phased out soon enough anyway. I am oddly in favor of it, despite that it will grant motivated players with the time to invest a greater chance at accelerating in SP gain over players who have less time.

You need to do something to gain the benefit, and that is more important than limiting SP for all players. It's a measure of fair trade. I see no harm in that, or ability to exploit it, aside from the current Logistics WP generation with all their toys. That is unfortunately an unfair advantage, but it can be changed.

After reaching the weekly cap SP should be purely based upon how good you play versus how long you've played.

Option #2 should be called charity. Getting 1000 (1,500 with booster) for either being terrible or good.... A joke for a sp system. You should have to earn it

So since I have a full time job and am a parent which only gives me weekends to play and sometimes not even that I should be punished. I love this game as much as the no lifers that can play every day of the week, but love it less when I go up against them because they are already in all proto gear and me in mid range gear.

You want to reward people that have no life and don't pay anymore into the game than I do and, to take it outside the game, contribute less to the community than I do? Where's my reward as a gamer?

Option 5 is MUCH WORSE in the short term, if it's for short term then put it at a weekly cap with NO SP SOFT CAP because the people that are waiting for the Dust 514 official release are going to be WAY behind and a lot of them will probably decide to drop the game altogether because of matches that they have against these dedicated players.

I tried to be political about all this but honestly I could give a rats a** about the 1% that is arguing for more SP for them to reward them for their "dedication" to the game. They are not any more dedicated to the game than I am but they do have more time. I will probably put as much money if not more into this game than each of them will, but on top of that I am looking to the future of this game being involved with the EVE universe whereas a lot of them, of their own admission, just want to play this as a FPS. Because it's an FPS they want instant gratification, so do I. So then lets just have CCP give EVERYONE all the skills so we can all be on equal footing right off the bat, that's the only way to be "FAIR" about all of this.

Get over yourselves "hardcore" players and for once make a sacrifice without QQing about how "unfair" it is for you. When things are made "FAIR" for you then it's "UNFAIR" for everyone else. The world doesn't evolve around you.



"a measure of fair trade"...What's fair about letting the 1% get so far ahead of someone that works and has a family but is also dedicated to this game?

You see no ability to exploit it? I have already seen(and been involved in) intentionally letting the enemy take positions just so we can run in and kill them all and take it back.

Did you know when you're against a newberry team you can actually force them in the direction you want them to go?

I have seen it done before, newberries go for the easiest objective most of the time and all you have to do is leave a hole for them. No soft cap will make this the way for the grinders to play all the time, that's a way of exploiting and ensuring you get more SP each match.

Option #2 is charity. Any SP gained after reaching the cap should have to be earned.

Option #2

2) Weekly cap with an increased soft cap

The increased soft cap would entail rewarding one skill point for each warpoint after the normal daily or weekly cap has been hit, up to the increased soft cap (currently 50 SP, we will raise it to 1000 SP per match)

So since I have a full time job and am a parent which only gives me weekends to play and sometimes not even that I should be punished. I love this game as much as the no lifers that can play every day of the week, but love it less when I go up against them because they are already in all proto gear and me in mid range gear.

You want to reward people that have no life and don't pay anymore into the game than I do and, to take it outside the game, contribute less to the community than I do? Where's my reward as a gamer?

Option 5 is MUCH WORSE in the short term, if it's for short term then put it at a weekly cap with NO SP SOFT CAP because the people that are waiting for the Dust 514 official release are going to be WAY behind and a lot of them will probably decide to drop the game altogether because of matches that they have against these dedicated players.

I tried to be political about all this but honestly I could give a rats a** about the 1% that is arguing for more SP for them to reward them for their "dedication" to the game. They are not any more dedicated to the game than I am but they do have more time. I will probably put as much money if not more into this game than each of them will, but on top of that I am looking to the future of this game being involved with the EVE universe whereas a lot of them, of their own admission, just want to play this as a FPS. Because it's an FPS they want instant gratification, so do I. So then lets just have CCP give EVERYONE all the skills so we can all be on equal footing right off the bat, that's the only way to be "FAIR" about all of this.

Get over yourselves "hardcore" players and for once make a sacrifice without QQing about how "unfair" it is for you. When things are made "FAIR" for you then it's "UNFAIR" for everyone else. The world doesn't evolve around you.



"a measure of fair trade"...What's fair about letting the 1% get so far ahead of someone that works and has a family but is also dedicated to this game?

You see no ability to exploit it? I have already seen(and been involved in) intentionally letting the enemy take positions just so we can run in and kill them all and take it back.

Did you know when you're against a newberry team you can actually force them in the direction you want them to go?

I have seen it done before, newberries go for the easiest objective most of the time and all you have to do is leave a hole for them. No soft cap will make this the way for the grinders to play all the time, that's a way of exploiting and ensuring you get more SP each match.

Feelings finally caught. Will provide a real response later.

This is to say, I'd rather some small percentage of exceptional players see a benefit over other players, (even if those others are maybe not as good because they don't have the time to get that good), than have an open system that allows people to just log in and skill past everyone else simply because they logged in and elected to join battle and stand in the MCC 40 times a day.

I've posted this in multiple places, but it deserves it's own thread.

Realistically speaking this option makes the most sense, and pleases all parties. The weekly cap keeps everybody somewhat on a level playing field. This is great for people who can't play everyday, and it alleviates DUST being a full time job. I believe once you hit your weekly cap 1 WP = 1 SP. This would allow your performance to be directly tied to how many skill points you get from the battle.

After hitting the weekly cap 1 WP= 1 SP, Allows for the hardcore players to feel as if they aren't being punished for playing a game that they enjoy. This also allows for newer players to somewhat catch up to everybody else if they not only put the time into the game, but also are somewhat decent at it.

However though, when behind a redline you shouldn't get any WP's for any actions you perform, because hiding behind the redline destroys the pacing of the game, and generally speaking is a sissy thing to do.

The problem with the weekly cap is it ensures that newer players will NEVER be given the opportunity to catch up to people who have been playing longer, let alone have a somewhat even playing field. CCP needs to quit catering the game to a "casual" player-base that doesn't exist. Zipper did the same thing with MAG, and most of us know all too well what happened with that. In many ways, the weekly cap was broken, and linked progression directly with long you've played versus how good you actually are.

At the very least, Option 5 needs to be tested. It's the only option that not only rewards players for actually being good, but it allows for newer players to be given the opportunity to somewhat level the playing field, and somewhat close the gap between themselves and older players. Option 5 is "rollover" without CCP having to put "rollover" in the game.

In regards to active boosters, they will actually perform their job, and allow people to do more faster. Currently all the active booster really does it raise your daily SP cap a bit. However once hitting the cap with 1 WP = 1 SP it will actually feel as if you are getting your moneys worth out of the active booster. Thus people will ultimately spend more money on the active boosters. I don't think people realize that by voting for option 2 they are allowing CCP to rob them out of the purpose of their active booster which is to do more faster, versus paying to raise an SP cap.

TL;DR by voting for anything other than option 5 you are letting CCP rob you out of your active booster.

Option 2 is better for dont having ppl playing too much and be too good.... But if i have a friend who come in 6 month he always have 6 month less sp and cant make a push to be better in fact its tough for the game to have newcomer after 6 month with option 2 , only advantage the noob we have currently thats why i changed my vote to number 5