I've posted this in multiple places, but it deserves it's own thread.

Realistically speaking this option makes the most sense, and pleases all parties. The weekly cap keeps everybody somewhat on a level playing field. This is great for people who can't play everyday, and it alleviates DUST being a full time job. I believe once you hit your weekly cap 1 WP = 1 SP. This would allow your performance to be directly tied to how many skill points you get from the battle.

After hitting the weekly cap 1 WP= 1 SP, Allows for the hardcore players to feel as if they aren't being punished for playing a game that they enjoy. This also allows for newer players to somewhat catch up to everybody else if they not only put the time into the game, but also are somewhat decent at it.

However though, when behind a redline you shouldn't get any WP's for any actions you perform, because hiding behind the redline destroys the pacing of the game, and generally speaking is a sissy thing to do.

CCP needs to quit catering the game to a "casual" player-base that doesn't exist. Zipper did the same thing with MAG, and most of us know all too well what happened with that.

At the very least, Option 5 needs to be tested.

I will put this simply:

with option #2 newer players will have no chance to catch up to veteran players since both will max out their sp cap every week

with option #5 newer players will have a slight chance to catch up by playing better and getting more wp with better skill, since this game is about skill right?



also look at Battlefield 3, currently if you dont buy the shortcut pack, you are at a disadvantaged because you have limited guns and no scopes on all guns, but if you play the objectives well and scoring points eventually you will catch up with other players

ill direct you to this above and this excerpt i pulled from the poll along with some commentary about that excerpt

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=495754#post495754



1)Daily cap with an increased soft cap
2)Weekly cap with an increased soft cap
3)No changes to the current system (daily cap + low soft cap)
4) Daily cap with no limit on the soft cap
5) Weekly cap with no limit on the soft cap

The increased soft cap would entail rewarding one skill point for each warpoint after the normal daily or weekly cap has been hit, up to the increased soft cap (currently 50 SP, we will raise it to 1000 SP per match). This is to provide an incentive towards playing well even after the cap has been reached and make the play experience after hitting the cap better. We are also considering another alternative, which is to *not* have a cap (of 1k) on the soft cap, so, after weekly cap is hit, you still get 1 SP per WP at end of match. We would like to hear which of these you like better as well (cap on the soft cap vs no cap on soft cap).

So it still limits SP based on WP but again as ive laid out the WP gain in an ambush match is rarely greater than 1000WP. In skirmish its closer to 2000WP but you spend twice the time so if a person played two ambush games they would spend about the same time as one skirmish match. So then if option 2 goes into effect why would any "grinders" play anything but ambush. And ultimately that disparity will still exist regardless of option 2 or option 5. Option 5 simply corrects for the increased time spent in skirmish is all im trying to say.


But thank you for your responses and i appreciate your concerns.

Edit--Also from what i understand by weekly cap is that it will remain hard cap like we have now with daily so no diminishing returns. The only difference between option 2 and 5 is the restriction on soft cap but as ive laid out that difference is almost negligible and ultimately limits players who want to play skirmish after they hit their cap but also want to grind and even then it isnt any different that 1000SP limit other than it correct for the time spent in skirmish.

Well, OP is right, the longer it takes for you to max out the skills you want, the more money you're going to eventually spend on the game.

I'm hoping in the 30 days i can specialize in the areas i want and not have to use boosters ever again though, i think most people will take this route, i want to spend as little money as possible.

Alright here's my 2 cents,

+1 to the post = cent 1

Cent 2,

If we go with 1k after cap each game, let me tell you how quickly we will go in and farm ambush matches. Honestly I almost prefer this option, because by the time I'm done with 1 skirmish match I will have earned alot more sp from ambush, tons more especially if I join towards the end of ambush matches.


Now what the OP is basically saying that I take from anyways, is with the other option 1wp=1sp you are less likely to have farmers as you have to actually do good in a match instead of getting 1 kill in a match then hiding to earn your 1k sp.

Granted the top players, say 5-10% of players will get 1.5k and up per game or per skirmish, I got 3500 wp today in skirmish which would = the same amount with a 1000sp soft cap in terms of time if I had played ambush matches during that game.


The people who want to have the 1k soft cap are either bad players or scared of being left behind so much you'd rather hinder the rest of us and farm sp for free when you don't even earn it.

By employing the 1k soft cap YOU ARE FARMING the sp system.

Post over.

That part I didn't know, but its still easy to farm.

As I said who can't get 1000sp per match lol either skirmish or ambush.


But I do think if your team just sucked it up and you and one other guy was the reason you won, you should get an sp incentive for the win. After all you did the work

That's the entire point of the active booster. Any SP gained after reaching the cap should have to be EARNED for performing well in battle. This game currently doesn't reward players for actual player performance which is a bit ridiculous in an FPS.

I agree with protoman... the better you play, the faster you skill up. 1 wp = 1 sp after cap is the best way to keep it fun for EVERYONE

Good and bad players aside lets run some basic numbers assuming that 2 players are equal in skill but one can play more.

No SP soft cap:

Casual: @ 2 days a week 6 hours a day(casual might play less)

2000 WP per match: if they hit cap after 8 hours
2000 * 4(matches per hour) = 8000 WP
8000 * 4(hours after hitting cap) = 32000 WP
(Don't forget the booster) 32000 * 1.5 = 48000 SP

Hardcore: @ 5 days a week 4 hours a day(they often play more than this)

2000 WP per match: if they hit cap after 8 hours
2000 * 4(matches per hour) = 8000 WP(same so far)
8000 * 12(hours after hitting cap) = 96000 WP(Wait what?)
(Don't forget the booster) 96000 * 1.5 = 144000 SP(Are you serious?!?!?)

Hardcore - Casual = 96000 SP

1k SP cap per match:

Casual: @ 2 days a week 6 hours a day(casual might play less)

1000 WP per match: if they hit cap after 8 hours
1000 * 5(matches per hour/you can run ambush) = 5000 WP
5000 * 4(hours after hitting cap) = 20000 WP
(Don't forget the booster) 20000 * 1.5 = 30000 SP

Hardcore: @ 5 days a week 4 hours a day(they often play more than this)

1000 WP per match: if they hit cap after 8 hours
1000 * 5(matches per hour/you can run ambush) = 5000 WP(again same so far)
5000 * 12(hours after hitting cap) = 60000(well that still sucks)
(Don't forget the booster) 60000 * 1.5 = 90000 SP

Hardcore - Casual = 60000 SP

It sucks either way because the hardcore player pulls ahead, but at least with that soft cap he/she doesn't pull ahead quite as much. I think I'll go for the one that doesn't suck as bad for everyone besides the minority that has the time to play more.

Both options make life better for "hardcore" players but option 5 makes it just a bit easier on them.

Option 5 is potentially better in the short term, but it will be phased out soon enough anyway. I am oddly in favor of it, despite that it will grant motivated players with the time to invest a greater chance at accelerating in SP gain over players who have less time.

You need to do something to gain the benefit, and that is more important than limiting SP for all players. It's a measure of fair trade. I see no harm in that, or ability to exploit it, aside from the current Logistics WP generation with all their toys. That is unfortunately an unfair advantage, but it can be changed.

After reaching the weekly cap SP should be purely based upon how good you play versus how long you've played.

Option #2 should be called charity. Getting 1000 (1,500 with booster) for either being terrible or good.... A joke for a sp system. You should have to earn it

Feelings finally caught. Will provide a real response later.

This is to say, I'd rather some small percentage of exceptional players see a benefit over other players, (even if those others are maybe not as good because they don't have the time to get that good), than have an open system that allows people to just log in and skill past everyone else simply because they logged in and elected to join battle and stand in the MCC 40 times a day.

Option 2 is better for dont having ppl playing too much and be too good.... But if i have a friend who come in 6 month he always have 6 month less sp and cant make a push to be better in fact its tough for the game to have newcomer after 6 month with option 2 , only advantage the noob we have currently thats why i changed my vote to number 5

What do you say for your new comer after a year with option 2?

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I think the word cap made you CAPS. I'm perfectly capable of reading versions of letters; no real need for that.

Some folks need to re-read CCP Cmdr. Wang's post. It calls out the unimited softcap as the one that is 1 WP=1 SP.

It makes no specification of how WP will be calculated for #2. meaning all the nubs and scrubs will simply cap off at 1k, kinda like how we cap off at 50 now.

English reading comprehension FTW.

pay attention to sentence structure. Protoman is correct, the thousand is pretty much a gimmie.

Generally not an issue for me to hit 1k WP or more. but the softcap helps newer and less skilled players more than it hinders the Elite FPS E-weenie wanks.

it's not charity, It's a playfield leveller. IMHO SP gains are one of the few places where the playfield should be level.

the reward for being a badass should be the ability to rake in asstons of ISK faster than anyone else does due to skill level.

Your reward is being able to consistently field protofits.