Neither option helps new players catch up unless the vets take a long break. If a new player can play 24/7 to make a push to get ahead then a vet can play 24/7 to ensure they stay FAR ahead of everyone else, not to mention a vet will probably hit their cap MUCH faster than a new player and have even more time to push further ahead.

In other words making the gap between them and the new player even bigger. Alot of people have made this argument but the logic is flawed.

First off I did read the rest and I'm glad you're enjoying the game and the forums when you're online. That is your preference of things.

Second I am as good as some of these no lifers, better than others, and no where close to the same skill as a very small amount of them. So should I not be rewarded for being at a higher skill level? Well since I can only play 2 days out of the week I am not.

Now for the reason I only quoted this part of your words. I don't know where people are getting the idea that anyone will get rewarded for just sitting in the MCC, if you just sit in the MCC before the cap you will get your SP, but after you hit your cap THE TIME BONUS GOES AWAY AND YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO EARN SP.

With Option 2
After the cap you get 1 WP = 1 SP UP TO 1000 SP(which is the cap)

With Option 5
After the cap you get 1 WP = 1 SP PERIOD(no limit)

So no you cannot get rewarded for just sitting in the MCC after you hit your cap.

EDIT: and as far as my corp goes I do not represent the interests of my corp in this, each member of my corp is entitled to their own opinion on gameplay matters, but when it has to do with our reputation or integrity that is when we stand together. This subject is in no way related to corporation interests but instead each players available time for play and which group they represent i.e. "hardcore" / "average" / "casual"

I think the word cap made you CAPS. I'm perfectly capable of reading versions of letters; no real need for that.

There was a time when sitting in the MCC would continue gaining you 2-3K SP per match, and if the members who call for unlimited cap get their way, it will continue to do so. I was not referring to option 2, which was actually my first choice. I was simply saying that, given option 5 does not allow for that, I held little objection and saw no reason not to put it in place temporarily just to see what happens.

Bottom line, or tl;dr if you prefer, is that I'm obviously not as concerned about being SP better than other players because I've been playing longer as you are. That doesn't concern me so much as the ability to exploit the system and SPcelerate, or just grind SP to the end of the earth and double or triple what anybody else is capable of just because you happen to be couch-bound and have nothing better to do.

I've played EVE long enough to be well accustomed to most players having far more SP than I do, and--time relevant--if I play less and devote less time to the game than they do, is it really any different than not joining the game until years after they do?

No to unlimited SP. Sure, why not, to SP you have to work for. That said though, it isn't likely a whole lot of players will pass 1000 WP per match anyway, so I'm not sure it is even relevant whether 2 or 5 is chosen.

I'll be fine with either, having no vested interest in one over the other, aside from wondering what the result of 5 will be.

What do you say for your new comer after a year with option 2?

So this game should cater to your playing habits? Selfish don't you think?

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I think the word cap made you CAPS. I'm perfectly capable of reading versions of letters; no real need for that.

It's just about the same for either option 2 or option 5

Option 5(as I stated)

Unless one takes a break they stay basically even except that the vet has better gear and knows the ropes so would probably get to the cap faster than the new player. Potential to fall further behind.

Option 2

Unless one takes a prolonged break from the game both the vet and new player will stay just about even except that again the vet will have better gear...same as before except with the cap the new player will not fall further behind quite as fast.


This is of course assuming the both put in the same amount of time, the vet may get tired or have bought the new COD and be playing that for awhile. Of course the new player may get tired of running into vets and getting ROFLstomped and decide to invest their time elsewhere.

Option 2: Hardcore Vets have an advantage

Option 5: Hardcore Vets have a bigger advantage(why do you think they have created at least 3 threads trying to sway people?)

If we aren't supposed to pick what works best for us, why the hell would there be a vote?

Some folks need to re-read CCP Cmdr. Wang's post. It calls out the unimited softcap as the one that is 1 WP=1 SP.

It makes no specification of how WP will be calculated for #2. meaning all the nubs and scrubs will simply cap off at 1k, kinda like how we cap off at 50 now.

English reading comprehension FTW.

pay attention to sentence structure. Protoman is correct, the thousand is pretty much a gimmie.

Generally not an issue for me to hit 1k WP or more. but the softcap helps newer and less skilled players more than it hinders the Elite FPS E-weenie wanks.

it's not charity, It's a playfield leveller. IMHO SP gains are one of the few places where the playfield should be level.

the reward for being a badass should be the ability to rake in asstons of ISK faster than anyone else does due to skill level.

Your reward is being able to consistently field protofits.

Your post makes no sense. Come back when you can construct a proper argument.

pot calling the kettle black much?

Says a lot of things, most of them correct.

*virtually high-fives Breakin'*