Many people who use the gun dont want to see it changed as they state its not a good weapon. In truth its a death machine. Its accuracy it awesome at distance. At range it has been proven to be more effective at ~60ish?? meters than the AR is. Heavies who are unbiased admit that the gun needs some adjusting. Either the accuracy at distance needs to be changed or the range needs to be changed.

It's the range honestly. Or maybe the spread isn't hard enough at a distance. I find I can take out targets at almost the same range as when I was in AR - the only problem is if I try to fight at that distance I'm more likely to lose.

If an HMG guy knows the terrain and how to get in just a bit closer he's going to shred your world. But I see lasers drop people faster then any HMG so I've mixed feelings.

.... I mean you don't run into many people who play with it....

It's the range honestly. Or maybe the spread isn't hard enough at a distance. I find I can take out targets at almost the same range as when I was in AR - the only problem is if I try to fight at that distance I'm more likely to lose.

If an HMG guy knows the terrain and how to get in just a bit closer he's going to shred your world. But I see lasers drop people faster then any HMG so I've mixed feelings.

It's the range honestly. Or maybe the spread isn't hard enough at a distance. I find I can take out targets at almost the same range as when I was in AR - the only problem is if I try to fight at that distance I'm more likely to lose.

If an HMG guy knows the terrain and how to get in just a bit closer he's going to shred your world. But I see lasers drop people faster then any HMG so I've mixed feelings.

I agree Lasers and HMGs both need tweaks...NOT NERFS but tweaks....

Make Lasers either overheat alot faster or not gain that much dmg for continuous fire.

Fixing the HMG range would significantly improve things. I agree sota.

I agree Lasers and HMGs both need tweaks...NOT NERFS but tweaks....

Make Lasers either overheat alot faster or not gain that much dmg for continuous fire.

Fixing the HMG range would significantly improve things. I agree sota.

Fatty crossing the street, Fatty crossing the street..

I see alot of people noting the HMG is supposed to have good medium range dmg. Seriously?? They are supposed to have the same range of the AR and do more dmg per second more accurately? Playing against a heavy yesterday I was tryin to outrange him on a map where there were not rock I could use to hide behind and get good shots on him. He was doing more dmg to me faster as the most extreme range of my Exile than I could do to him. It was rediculous and led to me having run away and every encounter since my gun could not outdmg or outrange his gun....and with nothing to hide behind I didnt stand a chance. Yes I did kill him more than he killed me but thats mainly because I just ran off and watched till he had no HP from taking on many many allies and then I would pop him....or my teammate would pop him. When you can fire the HMG from C (small 3 letter map that is inside the compound) to A and have better accuracy and dmg than an AR at that range then something is definitely not right. I agree if I run into an HMG in close range I should be pretty screwed. But being screwed when I turn a corner and a heavy is 50 meters away and he can blow my 450ish HP in a second.......something is not quite right.

I like the idea of increased overheat might make the advanced laser worth it ( but ccp give it a damage increase compare to the std its pointless atm) but reduced damage is overkill.

I've been wondering what people really think of this weapon. I mean you don't run into many people who play with it but when you do you know your going to die no matter what you do. I don't mind the gun at all its a part of the game and they put it in for a reason. But I wanna know how you guys feel on it.

If you think about the hmg - if I hold the R1 down for 1 second I fire over 50 shots. That's... going to kill people.

So maybe the HMG just needs a reduction on how fast it shoots by a TINY amount. Tiny CCP, Tiny.

I see alot of people noting the HMG is supposed to have good medium range dmg. Seriously?? They are supposed to have the same range of the AR and do more dmg per second more accurately? Playing against a heavy yesterday I was tryin to outrange him on a map where there were not rock I could use to hide behind and get good shots on him. He was doing more dmg to me faster as the most extreme range of my Exile than I could do to him. It was rediculous and led to me having run away and every encounter since my gun could not outdmg or outrange his gun....and with nothing to hide behind I didnt stand a chance. Yes I did kill him more than he killed me but thats mainly because I just ran off and watched till he had no HP from taking on many many allies and then I would pop him....or my teammate would pop him. When you can fire the HMG from C (small 3 letter map that is inside the compound) to A and have better accuracy and dmg than an AR at that range then something is definitely not right. I agree if I run into an HMG in close range I should be pretty screwed. But being screwed when I turn a corner and a heavy is 50 meters away and he can blow my 450ish HP in a second.......something is not quite right.

Keep in mind that the fatty carrying the HMG needs his Logi buddy to follow him around if he wants to live long and reload. That means the HMG represents the killing output of about 1.5 people

As stated already, that player more than likely had a lot of SP in heavy weapon sharpshooter. As well, did you notice if they were using the assault HMG. It's got a reduced RPM of 1200(I think) from the regular 2000, but has an extended range.

And that's a massive exaggeration to say that a HMG was hitting from Charlie to Alpha on Manus Peak. It can't!!!

1 clip of an hmg = 5 dead.

Not with heat up. 2-3 tops before you over heat.

Possibly keep the HMG exactly the same just give it a spool up time before it begins to fire.

TBH though I dont think the are OP at all and I play assault so it is clear.

the HMG is something you use if you want to get skill free kills.

it takes zero time to spool up and with bursting it you can get 35-1 for very little cost.

heavy suits cost only a fraction more than assault suits and the HMG is practically free for what it does.

The same could be said for having a tank on the field. it's ez mode in a well fit tank and the person knows how to use it. There's more to this game than simply having two AR's pointing at each other.

Against N00bs, a heavy is great because they all just sit in front of hte heavy and try to take it down. Against good teams, not even close. Heavies have so many vulnerabilities that can be exploited, smart players can take away their advantages quite easily. It's called balance. The heavy is good at some things, and suck at others... Can't have every class be like assault.

It's good the way it is... except for the high end damage\accuracy at Max range... that needs to have just a bit less accuracy... have it gradually diminish the further out it goes.

I would be ok with this even. Like I said for anyone who is acting liek I dont know what I am doing you have another thing coming. I easily keep a 3-4 KDR average in this game and when I try I do alot better than that and I am usually high up on the WP and kills totals. Dont think I am noob at this game or anything I know how to defend against an HMG and what its weaknesses are supposed to be. The fact that the HMG is so extremely accurate at 60 meters and does so much dmg instantly is rediculous. Yes it needs to be toned down. I would even be ok with a short spool up time. RIght now the HMG is just easy mode. Check out some of the imperfect fatties....they have already noted that the HMG needs some tweaks. I will kill a heavy with a HMG more often then they kill me but that still does not mean that there is not an issue when the HMG has better accuracy at range with almost identical AR range.

Note this post on tests that were done:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=476868#post476868

The same could be said for having a tank on the field. it's ez mode in a well fit tank and the person knows how to use it. There's more to this game than simply having two AR's pointing at each other.

Against N00bs, a heavy is great because they all just sit in front of hte heavy and try to take it down. Against good teams, not even close. Heavies have so many vulnerabilities that can be exploited, smart players can take away their advantages quite easily. It's called balance. The heavy is good at some things, and suck at others... Can't have every class be like assault.

It's good the way it is... except for the high end damage\accuracy at Max range... that needs to have just a bit less accuracy... have it gradually diminish the further out it goes.

I didnt say manus peak. I dont know the name of the map...sorry. But its the 3 point map that you start outside and you run into an installation that is walled off and has a CRU (small map). Sorry wish I knew the name.

Many people who use the gun dont want to see it changed as they state its not a good weapon. In truth its a death machine. Its accuracy it awesome at distance. At range it has been proven to be more effective at ~60ish?? meters than the AR is. Heavies who are unbiased admit that the gun needs some adjusting. Either the accuracy at distance needs to be changed or the range needs to be changed.

The Heavy is OP, I play alot of FPS games and this is the only one where you can survive being shot in the back of the head with half a magazine, do a 360 with a minigun and kill the guy shooting you. Its redicoulus. 3/4 players are a heavy class because of this. I am thinking of switching myself

I agree Lasers and HMGs both need tweaks...NOT NERFS but tweaks....

Make Lasers either overheat alot faster or not gain that much dmg for continuous fire.

Fixing the HMG range would significantly improve things. I agree sota.

That will change as more people get more SP and better gear. Same thing happened last build where there was about 2 weeks where half of any team was heavies but after a little bit they all went away.

Unless you actually want to run a heavy any SP you spend will be wasted in about 1-2 weeks when they start getting easy to kill.

I agree Lasers and HMGs both need tweaks...NOT NERFS but tweaks....

Make Lasers either overheat alot faster or not gain that much dmg for continuous fire.

Fixing the HMG range would significantly improve things. I agree sota.

The Heavy is OP, I play alot of FPS games and this is the only one where you can survive being shot in the back of the head with half a magazine, do a 360 with a minigun and kill the guy shooting you. Its redicoulus. 3/4 players are a heavy class because of this. I am thinking of switching myself

Don't bother switching. You see everyone in a heavy now because with base skills and gear only the heavy absolutely dominates the assault class. That will change as more people get more SP and better gear. Same thing happened last build where there was about 2 weeks where half of any team was heavies but after a little bit they all went away.

Unless you actually want to run a heavy any SP you spend will be wasted in about 1-2 weeks when they start getting easy to kill.

EDIT: They're also very expensive so you'll be wasting ISK too.

1 clip of an hmg = 5 dead.

i only go 10-1 + every game because half the people it chews up RUN STRAIGHT TOWARDS ME or STRAIGHT AWAY. Derp. Against pros, it usually goes down pretty hard because the heavy suit is an easy to hit target as long as you avoid their field of view. Forge gun on the other hand is OP as hell.

Many people who use the gun dont want to see it changed as they state its not a good weapon. In truth its a death machine. Its accuracy it awesome at distance. At range it has been proven to be more effective at ~60ish?? meters than the AR is. Heavies who are unbiased admit that the gun needs some adjusting. Either the accuracy at distance needs to be changed or the range needs to be changed.

I was about to give like... But then you brought up forge guns.......

Well, the forge is only op in one way. Me and Enigma had a discussion about it the other day. It needs to be able to harass vehicles at range, but should do most of its damage up close. Would prefer a falloff range on it, so heavies actually have to expose themselves more to use it properly. I've played as a tanker and forge AV before, and feel its close to being balanced perfectly, just needs a slight tweek. At the very very least, it needs it splash damage to infantry to be toned down.

The Heavy is OP, I play alot of FPS games and this is the only one where you can survive being shot in the back of the head with half a magazine, do a 360 with a minigun and kill the guy shooting you. Its redicoulus. 3/4 players are a heavy class because of this. I am thinking of switching myself

I've been wondering what people really think of this weapon. I mean you don't run into many people who play with it but when you do you know your going to die no matter what you do. I don't mind the gun at all its a part of the game and they put it in for a reason. But I wanna know how you guys feel on it.

Forge gun already got a dmg reduction and does do reduced damage at range. It is only effective at range with 3+ points in sharpshooter.

Many people who use the gun dont want to see it changed as they state its not a good weapon. In truth its a death machine. Its accuracy it awesome at distance. At range it has been proven to be more effective at ~60ish?? meters than the AR is. Heavies who are unbiased admit that the gun needs some adjusting. Either the accuracy at distance needs to be changed or the range needs to be changed.

Couldn't have been said better

There's two main problems with the HMG:

- It has a bit too much range / is a bit too accurate at range

- People are amazingly stupid, and engage in the worst possible ways, and wind up getting roflstomped.

There's one main problem with the HMG:

- People are amazingly stupid, and engage in the worst possible ways, and wind up getting roflstomped.

Forge gun already got a dmg reduction and does do reduced damage at range. It is only effective at range with 3+ points in sharpshooter.

Also, heavy vs heavy hmg duels = epic

Laser Rifles need a tweak of some sort as well; their range is probably the thing that needs to be nerfed a little (yes, I said nerf...it needs to have less range. Don't lasers in EVE have really short range, but do a lot of damage, and the longer ranged ones do less?). But that's for a different thread.

I agree Lasers and HMGs both need tweaks...NOT NERFS but tweaks....

Make Lasers either overheat alot faster or not gain that much dmg for continuous fire.

Fixing the HMG range would significantly improve things. I agree sota.

I see alot of people noting the HMG is supposed to have good medium range dmg. Seriously?? They are supposed to have the same range of the AR and do more dmg per second more accurately? Playing against a heavy yesterday I was tryin to outrange him on a map where there were not rock I could use to hide behind and get good shots on him. He was doing more dmg to me faster as the most extreme range of my Exile than I could do to him. It was rediculous and led to me having run away and every encounter since my gun could not outdmg or outrange his gun....and with nothing to hide behind I didnt stand a chance. Yes I did kill him more than he killed me but thats mainly because I just ran off and watched till he had no HP from taking on many many allies and then I would pop him....or my teammate would pop him. When you can fire the HMG from C (small 3 letter map that is inside the compound) to A and have better accuracy and dmg than an AR at that range then something is definitely not right. I agree if I run into an HMG in close range I should be pretty screwed. But being screwed when I turn a corner and a heavy is 50 meters away and he can blow my 450ish HP in a second.......something is not quite right.

Note the word HEAVY Im sorry, but the only reasons im seeing for nerfing the HMG from you people is "WAAAAAAA, I DIED."

First of all, complaining about the HMG range is entirely redundant. As I have used the HMG, I have found that if your shooting at anyone beyond a Medium to close distance - your wasting ammo. If you are actually getting hit at a great distance by a HMG, its because the player is a sharpshooter. They would be delivering your rear in a handbasket even if he was using a pistol or AR.


Second, don't try and rush a heavy. Complaining that he's overpowered because you got owned at pointblank range by a gun that fires at 3 times the rate of your AR is SAD. If you managed to get behind the heavy, why did you move out of cover? Heavies are TANKS. You don't RUSH a tank. You kill from cover, in ambushes, with greater numbers, or at a distance.


This is not BF3 or COD. You actually have to use your brain to kill certain players

LETS HAVE A VOTE WHETHER HMG IS OP OR NOT!!!!!

Not OP.

One user and that user is as slow as a wet week.

When is tactic practising going to take the place of calling for nerfs? Soon I hope.

People will lie to get a nerf lol

HMG has better range then a AR

People will lie to get a nerf lol

HMG has better range then a AR

People will lie to get a nerf lol

HMG has better range then a AR

It's pretty awesome when two HMG guys cut a corner to meet. Hit detection hell. The one with the better connection wins!~

But in all seriousness heavy vs heavy is my favorite part of fights right now. We can't run from each other - so it's do or die!@!~!

why they crying to nerf everything ....... if you think something is OP just use it to see it whit your own eye if is really OP

being that it is restricted to a heavy suit meaning it's not very mobile, deadly yea but still can be dealt with

you have to run a slow fat suit so it's fine

and not a heavy im a masshole assault

i just dont want see anymore nerfs period. the nerf this/that needs to end someday. the problem with nerfing things is it's a wack-a-mole, they hit one thing with a nerf hammer, makes the next op thing pop up, and they never foresee what the next op thing will be, but it's for sure to happen-

for instance missle nerf now everyone uses blasters, and soon they will want those nerfed also. the credron nerf so every switches to duvolle, the result- they got nerfed too. when does it end?

if i say i want your heavy machine gun nerfed then you fire back with wanting a mass driver nerfed, and have every right to since i got your HMG nerfed- the whole never ending cycle is just stupid.

at 2000 RPM you're bound to hit something in that circle.