Well, the forge is only op in one way. Me and Enigma had a discussion about it the other day. It needs to be able to harass vehicles at range, but should do most of its damage up close. Would prefer a falloff range on it, so heavies actually have to expose themselves more to use it properly. I've played as a tanker and forge AV before, and feel its close to being balanced perfectly, just needs a slight tweek. At the very very least, it needs it splash damage to infantry to be toned down.

The Heavy is OP, I play alot of FPS games and this is the only one where you can survive being shot in the back of the head with half a magazine, do a 360 with a minigun and kill the guy shooting you. Its redicoulus. 3/4 players are a heavy class because of this. I am thinking of switching myself

I've been wondering what people really think of this weapon. I mean you don't run into many people who play with it but when you do you know your going to die no matter what you do. I don't mind the gun at all its a part of the game and they put it in for a reason. But I wanna know how you guys feel on it.

Forge gun already got a dmg reduction and does do reduced damage at range. It is only effective at range with 3+ points in sharpshooter.

Many people who use the gun dont want to see it changed as they state its not a good weapon. In truth its a death machine. Its accuracy it awesome at distance. At range it has been proven to be more effective at ~60ish?? meters than the AR is. Heavies who are unbiased admit that the gun needs some adjusting. Either the accuracy at distance needs to be changed or the range needs to be changed.

Couldn't have been said better

There's two main problems with the HMG:

- It has a bit too much range / is a bit too accurate at range

- People are amazingly stupid, and engage in the worst possible ways, and wind up getting roflstomped.

There's one main problem with the HMG:

- People are amazingly stupid, and engage in the worst possible ways, and wind up getting roflstomped.

Forge gun already got a dmg reduction and does do reduced damage at range. It is only effective at range with 3+ points in sharpshooter.

Also, heavy vs heavy hmg duels = epic

Laser Rifles need a tweak of some sort as well; their range is probably the thing that needs to be nerfed a little (yes, I said nerf...it needs to have less range. Don't lasers in EVE have really short range, but do a lot of damage, and the longer ranged ones do less?). But that's for a different thread.

I agree Lasers and HMGs both need tweaks...NOT NERFS but tweaks....

Make Lasers either overheat alot faster or not gain that much dmg for continuous fire.

Fixing the HMG range would significantly improve things. I agree sota.

I see alot of people noting the HMG is supposed to have good medium range dmg. Seriously?? They are supposed to have the same range of the AR and do more dmg per second more accurately? Playing against a heavy yesterday I was tryin to outrange him on a map where there were not rock I could use to hide behind and get good shots on him. He was doing more dmg to me faster as the most extreme range of my Exile than I could do to him. It was rediculous and led to me having run away and every encounter since my gun could not outdmg or outrange his gun....and with nothing to hide behind I didnt stand a chance. Yes I did kill him more than he killed me but thats mainly because I just ran off and watched till he had no HP from taking on many many allies and then I would pop him....or my teammate would pop him. When you can fire the HMG from C (small 3 letter map that is inside the compound) to A and have better accuracy and dmg than an AR at that range then something is definitely not right. I agree if I run into an HMG in close range I should be pretty screwed. But being screwed when I turn a corner and a heavy is 50 meters away and he can blow my 450ish HP in a second.......something is not quite right.

Note the word HEAVY Im sorry, but the only reasons im seeing for nerfing the HMG from you people is "WAAAAAAA, I DIED."

First of all, complaining about the HMG range is entirely redundant. As I have used the HMG, I have found that if your shooting at anyone beyond a Medium to close distance - your wasting ammo. If you are actually getting hit at a great distance by a HMG, its because the player is a sharpshooter. They would be delivering your rear in a handbasket even if he was using a pistol or AR.


Second, don't try and rush a heavy. Complaining that he's overpowered because you got owned at pointblank range by a gun that fires at 3 times the rate of your AR is SAD. If you managed to get behind the heavy, why did you move out of cover? Heavies are TANKS. You don't RUSH a tank. You kill from cover, in ambushes, with greater numbers, or at a distance.


This is not BF3 or COD. You actually have to use your brain to kill certain players