DUST Search - dust needs a respec system

NORIC verIV wrote:

I disagree with needing a respec system mostly because of the SP system design. Unlike other games that have respec systems they are generally SP capped. In this game you can literally max all skills (after roughly 7years) and just become specialized in multiple areas. Because of this continuous SP gain it really doesn't take too long to begin specializing in a different area. This creates goals for your character and hence creates a sense of progression.

In a game that is designed to be partially an MMO, it needs to have these progression hooks. Also making money from UVT etc hinges on that fact.

Personally I don't mind being the underdog because I lack lvl5 skills. Its takes less than a weeks effort to begin using a new weapon or ability. Plus its pretty awesome to take out a bunch of proto monkeys using militia/standard gear.

Don't get me wrong, I do like respec systems. I just don't think it makes sense for this game and in this eve universe. The eve universe is an unforgiving place. The guiding hand social club is a classic example The Heist - Corp infiltration and assassination The operation resulted in over 15k USD of lost money and several years of corporation effort. This is an extreme case but it makes the point. Another point is that CCP endorses this type of behavior since it doesn't violate any of the game rules.

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William HBonney Imperfects Negative-Feedback 318	Posted - 2013.01.21 16:22:00 - [1] - Quote Probably for some amount of AUR dust needs to let people reassign their SP. First people will make mistakes by just putting sp where they didn't mean to...others will figure out that doing AR might not be the route to take, and then there is the nerf bat that CCP uses. So I speced into lasers but now they got nerfed...wow now I gotta spend a month trying something else that might get nerfed...you can see how the player base would die off. People do not want to play an evolving game without the option to themselves evolve, it makes no sense whatsoever. Plus there is new content coming in as well, the ability to respec allows players to change what they play to keep the game fresh and interesting, otherwise it will become stale and boring, I do not see the game surviving without this option.
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2013.01.21 16:26:00 - [2] - Quote I made this suggestion before and it was shot down. Some crap about Eve being about making decisiosn blah blah blah and yadda yadda yadda.
William HBonney Imperfects Negative-Feedback 318	Posted - 2013.01.21 16:33:00 - [3] - Quote Yup and there might be 5000 people who like that, but the problem comes in when the decision doesn't exsist yet...I cant spec into scrambled rifles yet....and I don't know when they will come and there is so much other content as well...it is stupid business not to offer a respec especially when you could charge some AUR for it.
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers 117	Posted - 2013.01.21 16:56:00 - [4] - Quote agreed this should be an option at a cost... easy $ for CCP and anyone could justify the $ if this were an option.. people make mistakes, as well as the influx of new players that won't know from the start what is important and whatnot... just good to give the player options
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 317	Posted - 2013.01.21 17:01:00 - [5] - Quote I completely agree with this. Respecing is a good thing and an easy way to make money for CCP. You could even have different levels of respecing....IE for X amount of AUR you can unlearn 10 levels.......and you can have increasing amounts of AUR giving your more levels you can unlearn and then reallocate the SP.
Volgair Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 200	Posted - 2013.01.21 17:13:00 - [6] - Quote this is not a nice game, and never should be. if you fugged up you SP input. so be it you'll just have to work into what you actually want over time. besides, if CCP allowed for this you would see too many people gravy training the flavor of the month.
Panoscape BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 107	Posted - 2013.01.21 17:15:00 - [7] - Quote HTFU jk... I want respec too.
I HateMyFace BetaMax. 13	Posted - 2013.01.21 17:18:00 - [8] - Quote I think it should be a flat isk fee. Im an eve noob so i naturally made mistakes when first experimenting with this new and complicated.universe (which i think is incredibly refreshing and progressive for the fps genre). But to my dismay there iz no respec option. It feels like i shot myself in the foot weeks ago but just noticed when i failed to find a way to repec. Please dont punish the newcomers like me who are just now starting to understand this amazing eve universe.
KalOfTheRathi CowTek 168	Posted - 2013.01.21 17:28:00 - [9] - Quote I would like it but I am not holding my breath nor should you. Unless you look really good in blue. CCP is EVE centric so renaming a character means deletion. Which includes any benefits accrued, like from the Merc Pack so Elite AR would just vanish. Borderlands had it right. Respec for a fight or a boss. Cost was minimal.
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 317	Posted - 2013.01.21 17:29:00 - [10] - Quote I HateMyFace wrote: I think it should be a flat isk fee. Im an eve noob so i naturally made mistakes when first experimenting with this new and complicated.universe (which i think is incredibly refreshing and progressive for the fps genre). But to my dismay there iz no respec option. It feels like i shot myself in the foot weeks ago but just noticed when i failed to find a way to repec. Please dont punish the newcomers like me who are just now starting to understand this amazing eve universe. I disagree with an ISK fee. Should definitely be AUR if they implement it.

Takron Nistrom ROGUE SPADES 83	Posted - 2013.01.21 17:31:00 - [11] - Quote I'm not usually rude but a respec system can S on my D. You eff it up, sux for you. otherwise there is no incentive to train more sp. you just shuffle around what you have already. My answer is an emphatic NO. I'm sure CCP is the same cuz respecs came up in Eve long time ago.
trollolollo man Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 24	Posted - 2013.01.21 17:56:00 - [12] - Quote -1 for this its a mmofps u must think before spent sp randomly
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 248	Posted - 2013.01.21 18:14:00 - [13] - Quote No thank you for respec. That opens up some doors for potential abuse. It would diminish the value of different players' specialization onto something and take some depth away. Also, it would affect the metagame fittingwise as everyone would change their SP into what's fashionable. Everyone would be more generic.
NORIC verIV DUST University Ivy League 34	Posted - 2013.01.21 18:19:00 - [14] - Quote I disagree with needing a respec system mostly because of the SP system design. Unlike other games that have respec systems they are generally SP capped. In this game you can literally max all skills (after roughly 7years) and just become specialized in multiple areas. Because of this continuous SP gain it really doesn't take too long to begin specializing in a different area. This creates goals for your character and hence creates a sense of progression. In a game that is designed to be partially an MMO, it needs to have these progression hooks. Also making money from UVT etc hinges on that fact. Personally I don't mind being the underdog because I lack lvl5 skills. Its takes less than a weeks effort to begin using a new weapon or ability. Plus its pretty awesome to take out a bunch of proto monkeys using militia/standard gear. Don't get me wrong, I do like respec systems. I just don't think it makes sense for this game and in this eve universe. The eve universe is an unforgiving place. The guiding hand social club is a classic example The Heist - Corp infiltration and assassination The operation resulted in over 15k USD of lost money and several years of corporation effort. This is an extreme case but it makes the point. Another point is that CCP endorses this type of behavior since it doesn't violate any of the game rules.
Lady Hyuna Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 29	Posted - 2013.01.21 18:25:00 - [15] - Quote NORIC verIV wrote: I disagree with needing a respec system mostly because of the SP system design. Unlike other games that have respec systems they are generally SP capped. In this game you can literally max all skills (after roughly 7years) and just become specialized in multiple areas. Because of this continuous SP gain it really doesn't take too long to begin specializing in a different area. This creates goals for your character and hence creates a sense of progression. In a game that is designed to be partially an MMO, it needs to have these progression hooks. Also making money from UVT etc hinges on that fact. Personally I don't mind being the underdog because I lack lvl5 skills. Its takes less than a weeks effort to begin using a new weapon or ability. Plus its pretty awesome to take out a bunch of proto monkeys using militia/standard gear. Don't get me wrong, I do like respec systems. I just don't think it makes sense for this game and in this eve universe. The eve universe is an unforgiving place. The guiding hand social club is a classic example The Heist - Corp infiltration and assassination The operation resulted in over 15k USD of lost money and several years of corporation effort. This is an extreme case but it makes the point. Another point is that CCP endorses this type of behavior since it doesn't violate any of the game rules. +1 On the other hand if they did have a respect system, they should make it where it just resets the sp... like creating a new character... Start with the 300k and not the sp you currently have. But then again just make a new character if your want to respect... Like he says, not hard to get that sp.
Lochlorn423 Doomheim 5	Posted - 2013.01.21 18:26:00 - [16] - Quote In the EVE universe you are always accountable for your own actions.
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2013.01.21 18:32:00 - [17] - Quote Lochlorn423 wrote: In the EVE universe you are always accountable for your own actions. Welp for starters we are Dust Mercs and we are clones. So if they can have consciousness transfers at the time of death, I cant see why at the time of death we cant respec into something different. OMG! We have technology to live forever but we cant respec.
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 102	Posted - 2013.01.21 18:32:00 - [18] - Quote I say no But if they want it make it about i dunno -ú20 for 1mil so respec is a money sink
Linuz78 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.01.21 18:33:00 - [19] - Quote In my case, respec could be usefull to come back on bad decision I made in the past trying to build sniper profil. Because playing with ps move is still running issue over sniper guns this could be great. I hit others without kill them or see damages... how can you explain that I shoot the same 5 times, without damages ? So I spent too much on my sniper skills and lost time with it. Almost during the beta steps, why not 3 times allowed to respec ? Thanks
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2013.01.21 19:44:00 - [20] - Quote Respec in a game about choices and consequences is simply a poor mechanic. Making it AUR only is even worse as that pushes the P2W side of things. If this option is included choices cease to have a real implication you simply alter them as you desire. Want to solo for a day? Sure respec into it, want to go Heavy for awhile yup why not? Feel like using up all that salvage? Sure let's just respect into each specialized area to use the proto salvage until it runs out then swap to the next one. Nothing like that free proto ride. And when you run out of the pure proto from salvage? Sure just respec into support/core skills and run free fits until you have more free proto salvage. Adding this option would ruin the player market as well as increase the "flavor of the month" build/exploits. Furthermore there needs to be a certain degree of parity between both games in New Eden, and adding respec in fails to meet this bar. -1 to respec 0.02 ISK Cross

William HBonney Imperfects Negative-Feedback 318	Posted - 2013.01.21 19:49:00 - [21] - Quote I know people love the whole this is eve and it is a tough world! That just doesn't work with a fps, especially when changes come, and they tend to be so drastic. When ccp changes something that you spent a whole month getting into that amount of grinding is dumb. It changes from playing a game for fun to a grind fest, which is what the game is. People have to spend time in game to get sp a respec allows people to choose the flavor of the month and allows for better teamwork.
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 317	Posted - 2013.01.21 21:15:00 - [22] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Respec in a game about choices and consequences is simply a poor mechanic. Making it AUR only is even worse as that pushes the P2W side of things. If this option is included choices cease to have a real implication you simply alter them as you desire. Want to solo for a day? Sure respec into it, want to go Heavy for awhile yup why not? Feel like using up all that salvage? Sure let's just respect into each specialized area to use the proto salvage until it runs out then swap to the next one. Nothing like that free proto ride. And when you run out of the pure proto from salvage? Sure just respec into support/core skills and run free fits until you have more free proto salvage. Adding this option would ruin the player market as well as increase the "flavor of the month" build/exploits. Furthermore there needs to be a certain degree of parity between both games in New Eden, and adding respec in fails to meet this bar. -1 to respec 0.02 ISK Cross You act like everythin you said is an issue........who cares if someone does this they will be spending alot of money for all of the respecs. I am fine with that. Its not pay 2 win its just pay to fix my stupid mistake.
arimal lavaren L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 186	Posted - 2013.01.21 21:26:00 - [23] - Quote -1 to respec Why has been stated pretty clearly by others, having everyone with the cash to do so rolling the flavor of the month would be boring at best.
Breakin Stuff Immobile Infantry 680	Posted - 2013.01.21 22:10:00 - [24] - Quote one of the reasons CCP historically does not allow respecs is because when they introduce a new item into the game, they want people to develop the skills at roughly the same pace for it instead of BAM! I now have the perfect skills to use it! That way not everyone is suddenly master and commander with very little impetus to figure out the tactical and strategic considerations of the addition. Nevermind that flavor of the month doesn't invalidate say HMG skills. But you're perfectly willing to exchange it? What's the point of having an SP system if you're just wanting to buy the skills and buy a template like in battlefield 2? I expect CCP to do this when they do it in EVE. If they ever do it, expect to spend a PLEX for a 3 million point reset. But I wouldn't hold my breath. I'm betting they will never do this. and I'm cool with it.
William HBonney Imperfects Negative-Feedback 318	Posted - 2013.01.21 22:42:00 - [25] - Quote People can always store I SP so the whole thought of equal progression is gone.
William HBonney Imperfects Negative-Feedback 318	Posted - 2013.01.21 22:44:00 - [26] - Quote Plus flavor of the month does not exsist in Corp battles...period. all specs are needed no I win button.
Patoman Radiant ZionTCD Legacy Rising 53	Posted - 2013.01.22 05:35:00 - [27] - Quote Nearly every skill is useful in doing something in the game, it may not be used imediatly but could be used again Also... just wait or get more SP and train more, no limit on it exists so you could do everything on one char, which is much more simple.
Fivetimes Infinity Immobile Infantry 1086	Posted - 2013.01.22 05:38:00 - [28] - Quote You have no cap to your SP. If you spend SP in something you later regret, oh well, it doesn't prevent you from working toward a new goal.
Reimus Klinsman BetaMax. 320	Posted - 2013.01.22 07:19:00 - [29] - Quote Respec is an awful idea and will result in a loss of money. If people could respec, it'd take just a few months to max out the SP you need for a build, then when you want to switch builds you just respec and you're set. The lifetime of the game would be shortened from several years to a few months. It will cheapen the game. Learn to live with your mistakes.
Doshneil Antaro SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 24	Posted - 2013.01.22 07:54:00 - [30] - Quote I'm sitting on both sides of the fence. Perhaps allowing respecs for the first two weeks of a character could help out. That way the newer players could have a little lead way, that way if a weopen doesn't work out, they would have time to reset and try another.



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