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William HBonney
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.01.21 16:22:00 -
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Probably for some amount of AUR dust needs to let people reassign their SP. First people will make mistakes by just putting sp where they didn't mean to...others will figure out that doing AR might not be the route to take, and then there is the nerf bat that CCP uses. So I speced into lasers but now they got nerfed...wow now I gotta spend a month trying something else that might get nerfed...you can see how the player base would die off. People do not want to play an evolving game without the option to themselves evolve, it makes no sense whatsoever. Plus there is new content coming in as well, the ability to respec allows players to change what they play to keep the game fresh and interesting, otherwise it will become stale and boring, I do not see the game surviving without this option. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.01.21 16:26:00 -
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I made this suggestion before and it was shot down. Some crap about Eve being about making decisiosn blah blah blah and yadda yadda yadda. |
William HBonney
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
318
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Posted - 2013.01.21 16:33:00 -
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Yup and there might be 5000 people who like that, but the problem comes in when the decision doesn't exsist yet...I cant spec into scrambled rifles yet....and I don't know when they will come and there is so much other content as well...it is stupid business not to offer a respec especially when you could charge some AUR for it. |
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers
117
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Posted - 2013.01.21 16:56:00 -
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agreed this should be an option at a cost... easy $ for CCP and anyone could justify the $ if this were an option..
people make mistakes, as well as the influx of new players that won't know from the start what is important and whatnot...
just good to give the player options |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
317
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Posted - 2013.01.21 17:01:00 -
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I completely agree with this. Respecing is a good thing and an easy way to make money for CCP. You could even have different levels of respecing....IE for X amount of AUR you can unlearn 10 levels.......and you can have increasing amounts of AUR giving your more levels you can unlearn and then reallocate the SP. |
Volgair
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
200
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Posted - 2013.01.21 17:13:00 -
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this is not a nice game, and never should be. if you fugged up you SP input. so be it you'll just have to work into what you actually want over time. besides, if CCP allowed for this you would see too many people gravy training the flavor of the month. |
Panoscape
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
107
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Posted - 2013.01.21 17:15:00 -
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HTFU
jk... I want respec too. |
I HateMyFace
BetaMax.
13
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Posted - 2013.01.21 17:18:00 -
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I think it should be a flat isk fee. Im an eve noob so i naturally made mistakes when first experimenting with this new and complicated.universe (which i think is incredibly refreshing and progressive for the fps genre). But to my dismay there iz no respec option. It feels like i shot myself in the foot weeks ago but just noticed when i failed to find a way to repec. Please dont punish the newcomers like me who are just now starting to understand this amazing eve universe. |
KalOfTheRathi
CowTek
168
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Posted - 2013.01.21 17:28:00 -
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I would like it but I am not holding my breath nor should you. Unless you look really good in blue.
CCP is EVE centric so renaming a character means deletion. Which includes any benefits accrued, like from the Merc Pack so Elite AR would just vanish.
Borderlands had it right. Respec for a fight or a boss. Cost was minimal. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
317
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Posted - 2013.01.21 17:29:00 -
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I HateMyFace wrote:I think it should be a flat isk fee. Im an eve noob so i naturally made mistakes when first experimenting with this new and complicated.universe (which i think is incredibly refreshing and progressive for the fps genre). But to my dismay there iz no respec option. It feels like i shot myself in the foot weeks ago but just noticed when i failed to find a way to repec. Please dont punish the newcomers like me who are just now starting to understand this amazing eve universe.
I disagree with an ISK fee. Should definitely be AUR if they implement it. |
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Takron Nistrom
ROGUE SPADES
83
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Posted - 2013.01.21 17:31:00 -
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I'm not usually rude but a respec system can S on my D. You eff it up, sux for you. otherwise there is no incentive to train more sp. you just shuffle around what you have already. My answer is an emphatic NO. I'm sure CCP is the same cuz respecs came up in Eve long time ago. |
trollolollo man
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
24
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Posted - 2013.01.21 17:56:00 -
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-1 for this its a mmofps u must think before spent sp randomly |
KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
248
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Posted - 2013.01.21 18:14:00 -
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No thank you for respec.
That opens up some doors for potential abuse. It would diminish the value of different players' specialization onto something and take some depth away. Also, it would affect the metagame fittingwise as everyone would change their SP into what's fashionable. Everyone would be more generic. |
NORIC verIV
DUST University Ivy League
34
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Posted - 2013.01.21 18:19:00 -
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I disagree with needing a respec system mostly because of the SP system design. Unlike other games that have respec systems they are generally SP capped. In this game you can literally max all skills (after roughly 7years) and just become specialized in multiple areas. Because of this continuous SP gain it really doesn't take too long to begin specializing in a different area. This creates goals for your character and hence creates a sense of progression.
In a game that is designed to be partially an MMO, it needs to have these progression hooks. Also making money from UVT etc hinges on that fact.
Personally I don't mind being the underdog because I lack lvl5 skills. Its takes less than a weeks effort to begin using a new weapon or ability. Plus its pretty awesome to take out a bunch of proto monkeys using militia/standard gear.
Don't get me wrong, I do like respec systems. I just don't think it makes sense for this game and in this eve universe. The eve universe is an unforgiving place. The guiding hand social club is a classic example The Heist - Corp infiltration and assassination The operation resulted in over 15k USD of lost money and several years of corporation effort. This is an extreme case but it makes the point. Another point is that CCP endorses this type of behavior since it doesn't violate any of the game rules. |
Lady Hyuna
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2013.01.21 18:25:00 -
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NORIC verIV wrote:I disagree with needing a respec system mostly because of the SP system design. Unlike other games that have respec systems they are generally SP capped. In this game you can literally max all skills (after roughly 7years) and just become specialized in multiple areas. Because of this continuous SP gain it really doesn't take too long to begin specializing in a different area. This creates goals for your character and hence creates a sense of progression. In a game that is designed to be partially an MMO, it needs to have these progression hooks. Also making money from UVT etc hinges on that fact. Personally I don't mind being the underdog because I lack lvl5 skills. Its takes less than a weeks effort to begin using a new weapon or ability. Plus its pretty awesome to take out a bunch of proto monkeys using militia/standard gear. Don't get me wrong, I do like respec systems. I just don't think it makes sense for this game and in this eve universe. The eve universe is an unforgiving place. The guiding hand social club is a classic example The Heist - Corp infiltration and assassination The operation resulted in over 15k USD of lost money and several years of corporation effort. This is an extreme case but it makes the point. Another point is that CCP endorses this type of behavior since it doesn't violate any of the game rules.
+1
On the other hand if they did have a respect system, they should make it where it just resets the sp... like creating a new character... Start with the 300k and not the sp you currently have.
But then again just make a new character if your want to respect... Like he says, not hard to get that sp. |
Lochlorn423
Doomheim
5
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Posted - 2013.01.21 18:26:00 -
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In the EVE universe you are always accountable for your own actions.
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Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.01.21 18:32:00 -
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Lochlorn423 wrote:In the EVE universe you are always accountable for your own actions.
Welp for starters we are Dust Mercs and we are clones. So if they can have consciousness transfers at the time of death, I cant see why at the time of death we cant respec into something different. OMG! We have technology to live forever but we cant respec. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
102
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Posted - 2013.01.21 18:32:00 -
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I say no
But if they want it make it about i dunno -ú20 for 1mil so respec is a money sink |
Linuz78
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.01.21 18:33:00 -
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In my case, respec could be usefull to come back on bad decision I made in the past trying to build sniper profil.
Because playing with ps move is still running issue over sniper guns this could be great. I hit others without kill them or see damages... how can you explain that I shoot the same 5 times, without damages ? So I spent too much on my sniper skills and lost time with it.
Almost during the beta steps, why not 3 times allowed to respec ?
Thanks |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2013.01.21 19:44:00 -
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Respec in a game about choices and consequences is simply a poor mechanic. Making it AUR only is even worse as that pushes the P2W side of things.
If this option is included choices cease to have a real implication you simply alter them as you desire. Want to solo for a day? Sure respec into it, want to go Heavy for awhile yup why not? Feel like using up all that salvage? Sure let's just respect into each specialized area to use the proto salvage until it runs out then swap to the next one. Nothing like that free proto ride. And when you run out of the pure proto from salvage? Sure just respec into support/core skills and run free fits until you have more free proto salvage.
Adding this option would ruin the player market as well as increase the "flavor of the month" build/exploits. Furthermore there needs to be a certain degree of parity between both games in New Eden, and adding respec in fails to meet this bar.
-1 to respec
0.02 ISK Cross
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William HBonney
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
318
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Posted - 2013.01.21 19:49:00 -
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I know people love the whole this is eve and it is a tough world! That just doesn't work with a fps, especially when changes come, and they tend to be so drastic. When ccp changes something that you spent a whole month getting into that amount of grinding is dumb. It changes from playing a game for fun to a grind fest, which is what the game is. People have to spend time in game to get sp a respec allows people to choose the flavor of the month and allows for better teamwork. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
317
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Posted - 2013.01.21 21:15:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:Respec in a game about choices and consequences is simply a poor mechanic. Making it AUR only is even worse as that pushes the P2W side of things.
If this option is included choices cease to have a real implication you simply alter them as you desire. Want to solo for a day? Sure respec into it, want to go Heavy for awhile yup why not? Feel like using up all that salvage? Sure let's just respect into each specialized area to use the proto salvage until it runs out then swap to the next one. Nothing like that free proto ride. And when you run out of the pure proto from salvage? Sure just respec into support/core skills and run free fits until you have more free proto salvage.
Adding this option would ruin the player market as well as increase the "flavor of the month" build/exploits. Furthermore there needs to be a certain degree of parity between both games in New Eden, and adding respec in fails to meet this bar.
-1 to respec
0.02 ISK Cross
You act like everythin you said is an issue........who cares if someone does this they will be spending alot of money for all of the respecs. I am fine with that. Its not pay 2 win its just pay to fix my stupid mistake. |
arimal lavaren
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
186
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Posted - 2013.01.21 21:26:00 -
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-1 to respec
Why has been stated pretty clearly by others, having everyone with the cash to do so rolling the flavor of the month would be boring at best. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
680
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Posted - 2013.01.21 22:10:00 -
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one of the reasons CCP historically does not allow respecs is because when they introduce a new item into the game, they want people to develop the skills at roughly the same pace for it instead of BAM! I now have the perfect skills to use it! That way not everyone is suddenly master and commander with very little impetus to figure out the tactical and strategic considerations of the addition.
Nevermind that flavor of the month doesn't invalidate say HMG skills. But you're perfectly willing to exchange it?
What's the point of having an SP system if you're just wanting to buy the skills and buy a template like in battlefield 2?
I expect CCP to do this when they do it in EVE.
If they ever do it, expect to spend a PLEX for a 3 million point reset.
But I wouldn't hold my breath. I'm betting they will never do this. and I'm cool with it. |
William HBonney
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
318
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Posted - 2013.01.21 22:42:00 -
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People can always store I SP so the whole thought of equal progression is gone. |
William HBonney
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
318
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Posted - 2013.01.21 22:44:00 -
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Plus flavor of the month does not exsist in Corp battles...period. all specs are needed no I win button. |
Patoman Radiant
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
53
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Posted - 2013.01.22 05:35:00 -
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Nearly every skill is useful in doing something in the game, it may not be used imediatly but could be used again
Also... just wait or get more SP and train more, no limit on it exists so you could do everything on one char, which is much more simple. |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2013.01.22 05:38:00 -
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You have no cap to your SP. If you spend SP in something you later regret, oh well, it doesn't prevent you from working toward a new goal. |
Reimus Klinsman
BetaMax.
320
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Posted - 2013.01.22 07:19:00 -
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Respec is an awful idea and will result in a loss of money. If people could respec, it'd take just a few months to max out the SP you need for a build, then when you want to switch builds you just respec and you're set.
The lifetime of the game would be shortened from several years to a few months.
It will cheapen the game. Learn to live with your mistakes. |
Doshneil Antaro
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
24
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Posted - 2013.01.22 07:54:00 -
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I'm sitting on both sides of the fence. Perhaps allowing respecs for the first two weeks of a character could help out. That way the newer players could have a little lead way, that way if a weopen doesn't work out, they would have time to reset and try another. |
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Carl Hauser 2100381593
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2013.01.22 08:37:00 -
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I see the point for a respec especially as long as not all skills beeing implemented. There is so much more to come like racial dropsuits, racial weapons etc. So actually its quite easy to put your SP in the wrong direction as not all the cool stuff is implemented. This gets worse due to the slow progression with the current SP caps and SP system.
But this has great potential for abuse, if you just can respec for certain battle situations. In my opinion the abuse potential outweights the benefit.
If they ever implement a respec mechanism they should limit this to once per year or once per 6 month. But generally I don't think a respec option is a good Idea.... |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
680
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Posted - 2013.01.22 08:47:00 -
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Carl Hauser 2100381593 wrote:I see the point for a respec especially as long as not all skills beeing implemented. There is so much more to come like racial dropsuits, racial weapons etc. So actually its quite easy to put your SP in the wrong direction as not all the cool stuff is implemented. This gets worse due to the slow progression with the current SP caps and SP system.
But this has great potential for abuse, if you just can respec for certain battle situations. In my opinion the abuse potential outweights the benefit.
If they ever implement a respec mechanism they should limit this to once per year or once per 6 month. But generally I don't think a respec option is a good Idea....
Once per year, maybe. but even then I look upon this idea as having dubious value.
if CCP allowed this once per year, I would say you get to pick five skills to dump and re-allocate.
that'd about put it on the level of an EVE remap.
But I find it dubious because there is no such thing as a useless skill in either game. all of them do relevant and useful things so there is no "wasted SP" |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2013.01.24 05:06:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:Cross Atu wrote:Respec in a game about choices and consequences is simply a poor mechanic. Making it AUR only is even worse as that pushes the P2W side of things.
If this option is included choices cease to have a real implication you simply alter them as you desire. Want to solo for a day? Sure respec into it, want to go Heavy for awhile yup why not? Feel like using up all that salvage? Sure let's just respect into each specialized area to use the proto salvage until it runs out then swap to the next one. Nothing like that free proto ride. And when you run out of the pure proto from salvage? Sure just respec into support/core skills and run free fits until you have more free proto salvage.
Adding this option would ruin the player market as well as increase the "flavor of the month" build/exploits. Furthermore there needs to be a certain degree of parity between both games in New Eden, and adding respec in fails to meet this bar.
-1 to respec
0.02 ISK Cross
You act like everythin you said is an issue........who cares if someone does this they will be spending alot of money for all of the respecs. I am fine with that. Its not pay 2 win its just pay to fix my stupid mistake.
Sure do, because it is but since it's now been said in this thread I'll just quote
Reimus Klinsman wrote:Respec is an awful idea and will result in a loss of money. If people could respec, it'd take just a few months to max out the SP you need for a build, then when you want to switch builds you just respec and you're set.
The lifetime of the game would be shortened from several years to a few months.
It will cheapen the game. Learn to live with your mistakes.
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Zero Harpuia
Maverick Conflict Solutions
422
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Posted - 2013.01.24 05:28:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Lochlorn423 wrote:In the EVE universe you are always accountable for your own actions.
Welp for starters we are Dust Mercs and we are clones. So if they can have consciousness transfers at the time of death, I cant see why at the time of death we cant respec into something different. OMG! We have technology to live forever but we cant respec.
Technology to live forever, but not technology to transform my knowledge about advanced Amarran armor systems into the know-how for Minmatar repair tools and Gallente pistols.
Also, as someone said before, if you can't spec into 'Scrambler Rifles' or whatever the new thing is, NEITHER CAN ANYONE ELSE. Earn the right to use them like anyone else will be doing. |
Oxskull Duncarino
Shadow Company HQ
165
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Posted - 2013.01.24 09:39:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:Sentient Archon wrote:Lochlorn423 wrote:In the EVE universe you are always accountable for your own actions.
Welp for starters we are Dust Mercs and we are clones. So if they can have consciousness transfers at the time of death, I cant see why at the time of death we cant respec into something different. OMG! We have technology to live forever but we cant respec. Technology to live forever, but not technology to transform my knowledge about advanced Amarran armor systems into the know-how for Minmatar repair tools and Gallente pistols. Also, as someone said before, if you can't spec into 'Scrambler Rifles' or whatever the new thing is, NEITHER CAN ANYONE ELSE. Earn the right to use them like anyone else will be doing. Exactly Harpuia. Our knowledge retention and ability to transfer to another clone on death is the power. That knowledge comes from experience, good or bad, and is not something that can be simply relearned in a different area at the clink of money. |
Crazy Mistah Jay
Prima Gallicus
11
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Posted - 2013.01.24 17:11:00 -
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I think the respec system is a good idea, maybe if you give ISK for this, and if you have played a lot of times in the game (have 1 million for the first total SP respec, 2,5 millions for the second, 4 millions for the third... and just give ISK for respec one skill, but only used once per month for this "only one skill respec"), because, guys like us (beta testers since the beginning of the closed beta) have testing a lot of objects, so, when we have got the last reset, we have put SP on the weapons skills we wants used, but new players don't know they wants used if they haven't tested before, so they need to put SP for testing this weapons, and for all players, new weapons will released (ex : Amarr Scrambler Rifle, Minmattar Flaylock Pistol, or Gallente Plasma Cannon), so, if we wants used it, we needs to have the skills (so SP), but if we see we don't want used them after testing, if we have no respec, we lost the points spends. |
Snaps Tremor
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
41
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Posted - 2013.01.24 18:14:00 -
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How about the only way to respec is to 'buy' out of something. No instant fix, and no way to exploit it, as you'd just be blowing SP you could have otherwise used to skill up further. The feature is in there for OCD types who want the Perfect Build, and you would be able to set a skill you don't want to erase itself using passive SP while you're away, but it's not going to be touched by 99% of people who just want more things faster.
You could also give a small percentage of skill back on unlearning as a consolation prize. |
Oxskull Duncarino
Shadow Company HQ
165
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Posted - 2013.01.24 19:04:00 -
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Snaps Tremor wrote:How about the only way to respec is to 'buy' out of something. No instant fix, and no way to exploit it, as you'd just be blowing SP you could have otherwise used to skill up further. The feature is in there for OCD types who want the Perfect Build, and you would be able to set a skill you don't want to erase itself using passive SP while you're away, but it's not going to be touched by 99% of people who just want more things faster.
You could also give a small percentage of skill back on unlearning as a consolation prize. In Dust the perfect build is tier V in everything That should keep the OCDers happy for a wee while. |
Snaps Tremor
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
41
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Posted - 2013.01.24 20:15:00 -
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Oxskull Duncarino wrote:Snaps Tremor wrote:How about the only way to respec is to 'buy' out of something. No instant fix, and no way to exploit it, as you'd just be blowing SP you could have otherwise used to skill up further. The feature is in there for OCD types who want the Perfect Build, and you would be able to set a skill you don't want to erase itself using passive SP while you're away, but it's not going to be touched by 99% of people who just want more things faster.
You could also give a small percentage of skill back on unlearning as a consolation prize. In Dust the perfect build is tier V in everything That should keep the OCDers happy for a wee while.
In 2019. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2013.01.24 20:19:00 -
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Really? There are honestly this many people that actually think this isn't a terrible idea?
Ok...
So you want to offer an option for people to pay real money to correct cockups in their SP application while people who can't afford that are stuck? I wish you guys were still around when all the P2W threads were all over the place.
And yes, this is a game based in the same universe as EVE, and I think your skill upgrades being permanent is an important factor in making all of your choices have an impact, so you aren't just speccing into things willy nilly and then spending a few dollars to fix your stupid mistakes.
I've trained many skills to at least 3 in EVE that I never use, and probably never would have needed, but they seemed like a good idea at a time. That's just part of the game.
Give it up. This is a bad idea, and no amount of sugar coating will change that. |
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Montezumas Revenge
the majestic space duck MIGHTY PUBLORD OF BROHAN
10
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Posted - 2013.01.24 20:27:00 -
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I feel like the obvious solution is to offer 1 respec/skill remap after open beta. |
Telcontar Dunedain
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
328
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Posted - 2013.01.24 20:38:00 -
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William HBonney wrote:Plus flavor of the month does not exsist in Corp battles...period. all specs are needed no I win button.
I also -1 respec
It would cause FOTM issues. I very much like the consequences of having to slowly build your fits one after another.
If there were respeccing everyone would respec fully into each type of build day by day. Boring and VERY annoying. |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
397
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Posted - 2013.01.24 20:42:00 -
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While a respec option would help with newberries blundering through their character creation (a lot of them might not realize how long 300k takes to accumulate) it's going to help the vets out more in the end, since we'll just respec our millions of total SP into the best new skills as they become available.
Also, if you play long enough, that skill you trained and then ignored might eventually come in handy. |
I HateMyFace
BetaMax.
13
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Posted - 2013.01.29 17:34:00 -
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Guess I didn't look it that way |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2013.01.29 18:42:00 -
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Hahaha. EvEtards will be EvEtards. They won't tell you that once per year CCP allow them to change their attributes to suit them. Attributes -> skill points.
I don't see any problem with a once per year reset for partial skills. I would suggest only passive SP could be reallocated/remapped. Boosters should have zero effect on this amount.
Having a partial reallocation once per year seems like a sensible idea. I don't understand why everyone wants to pay, I'd quite like 1 a year, without paying.
So, why would this be a bad thing? |
KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
248
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Posted - 2013.01.29 19:08:00 -
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My points above on post #13 are still valid. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=481392#post481392
BTW, does anyone know how skill spikes are supposed to work? Perhaps it creates the same effect, like:
- Skill Spike '7-day Heavy suit L5' 1000 AUR - Skill Spike '1-day Assault Rifle L5' 200 AUR - Skill Spike '7-day Caldari Dropship L5' 1000 AUR
If that's the case there would be no room for respeccing thingy. |
Kain Spero
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
907
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Posted - 2013.01.29 19:39:00 -
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No respec. Never. NO.
It's not needed. Just use your new SP to spec into a different role. Over time you'll have all the specs your could every want anyways. This would make Vet players WAY too powerful. |
YourDeadAgain76
Red Star.
133
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Posted - 2013.01.29 20:13:00 -
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William HBonney wrote:Yup and there might be 5000 people who like that, but the problem comes in when the decision doesn't exsist yet...I cant spec into scrambled rifles yet....and I don't know when they will come and there is so much other content as well...it is stupid business not to offer a respec especially when you could charge some AUR for it.
+1 but maybe they would do it if u had to pay a certian amount of AUR for every 1,000 Sp. Heck i dont know haw many times ive wanted to respec. |
CoalRunner
The Generals
0
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Posted - 2013.01.30 00:27:00 -
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+1 For respec.
This isn't EVE, this is DUST 514.
I know the depth of skills aren't like most FPS' out there, and I know that this is meant to be a game that sticks around for a while - not just a shooter you pick up for a while then move on. I know that many people like the idea of having to really 'earn' something by grinding.
But I don't believe this game should be only for them.
I do believe that a respec option would be a good idea. With the proper limitations (for example, by limiting the frequency of changes, making it an appreciable cost [either AUR or ISK], and even by applying SP penalties) I don't believe that it would make higher level characters more OP'd that they currently would be, and I don't believe it would cause unbalance. The only way to become familiar with a build is to try it out... And the only way to really try something out is by associated skill points to it (some things like the mass driver even require some skills, since they don't have a militia version).
I think this game should be something that everyone can play and enjoy (while rewarding those who put the extra thought and time into it). |
137H4RGIC
WarRavens
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Posted - 2013.01.30 00:31:00 -
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-1 This is a bad idea and you're a bad person for suggesting it and you should feel bad. |
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137H4RGIC
WarRavens
26
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Posted - 2013.01.30 00:32:00 -
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137H4RGIC wrote:-1 This is a bad idea and you're a bad person for suggesting it and you should feel bad. HOWEVER: You -DO- get a Neural Remap in EVE which allows you to reassign your attributes for optimal skill Training. So I think it would not be inconceivable to reclaim the last 500k SP for a high price. But DEFINETELY NOT a complete SP respec. |
Tarquin Markel
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
85
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Posted - 2013.01.30 00:46:00 -
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Neural Remap = a change in how fast SP accrues. Not the same creature.
(You pick the skill, then spend hours/days/weeks/months training it. The speed is incrementally based on attributes.)
No respec, please.
Given a relatively steady rate of gain with no limit on eventual SP total, I say pick your purchases carefully and save up if you want something new. If there were an overall hard cap, a "max char level," I'd look at it differently, but as it stands you can work your way towards anything you want from anywhere you may happen to be. |
137H4RGIC
WarRavens
26
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Posted - 2013.01.30 00:49:00 -
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Tarquin Markel wrote:Neural Remap = a change in how fast SP accrues. Not the same creature.
(You pick the skill, then spend hours/days/weeks/months training it. The speed is incrementally based on attributes.)
No respec, please.
Given a relatively steady rate of gain with no limit on eventual SP total, I say pick your purchases carefully and save up if you want something new. If there were an overall hard cap, a "max char level," I'd look at it differently, but as it stands you can work your way towards anything you want from anywhere you may happen to be. Agreed, I had been merely stating something as a compromise to be considered. Personally, I love the fact there's no SP reset. |
Zooch Cheenie
Dark Matter Ops
4
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Posted - 2013.01.30 00:54:00 -
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-1 here for skill resets.
While you can essentially screw up, how badly are you going to screw up your skill placement before you realize what you've done? I don't see many people getting past rank 2 or 3 of a skill without seeing what it is particularly needed for, and in most cases that would probably equate to a value below 50,000 or so which could easily be acquired in a day or two.
Since there's no cap on the total SP intended for players to get, a mistake would just be a simple mistake. It's not going to drastically effect you in the long run. Instead it might just take a slightly longer amount of time to get the points you need into something you want. And that skill that you accidentally bought may come in handy whether you anticipate it or not. |
Ender Storm
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
50
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Posted - 2013.01.30 01:42:00 -
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I would say buck up and htfu and all else.
Think about what you want, and do it.
Did a mistake? So be it, take it like a man. You cant unlearn something unless you are in eve and you forget to update your clone.
Wish I could unlearn my industrial skills sometimes, but then where the consequences of my actions would go?
Money reseting SP isnt consequence, its like buying Indulgences that we know are worth naught. Its not a burden but a tax you pay to not have the burden.
And EVE universe is like it is just because details like that.
Thats my opinion.
Things arent pretty, and arent ment to be.
PS.: SP gained are hardly a complete waste, especialy on Dust. Will come the day a Patch will come and will nerf A and bump B, and you will thank God and the Leprechauns that you had those points in B already.
Especialization is the way to go, but from many especializations come a soldier complete.
PS2: respecs are also bad as a game design. Each time a change is on the orizon all the alliances have to have their soldiers train for the new awesome sauce and get ready for the doctrines the military will be employing. Those that fail to catch up have serious disavantages. If respecs were possible Dust would encounter not these obstacles since they could simply respec and be ready. Those obstacles enrich greately the strategical landscape, giving organizations that were underdogs a sudden surge of power until the new balance is reached. Respecs would spoil the game depth big time. |
Mars El'Theran
Red Rogue Squadron Heart 0f Darkness
52
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Posted - 2013.01.30 02:34:00 -
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The problem with a respec system is that people can just buy instant respecs and change the rules for their character as they wish. This isn't desirable. |
Herrick Arcos
The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries
56
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Posted - 2013.01.30 04:55:00 -
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-1 for respec... Choices have consequences. CCP has always been understanding as far as new skills are concerned and I wouldn't doubt that there will be some form of compensation for such events. Half the adrenaline I get from playing this game comes from the fact that my character and its abilities are all derivative of the CHOICES I have made. Those wasted points into Sniper Rifle will haunt me forever... and that is exactly what makes this game worth playing. Just my opinion. |
Kovak Therim
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
158
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Posted - 2013.01.30 05:16:00 -
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While I like respec in SP RPGs like Skyrim and would like to undo some choices I made in Dust, I have to say no to it. I'll just live with my f*** ups and move on. Eventually, all characters will begin to grow wider, not taller. There is no skill limit on characters so you could learn everything if you really wanted to and put in the time needed. Also, CCP gave you slots for 3 characters. Just start another if you feel you really messed up. This does bring up money wasted on boosters if you did just decide to erase a clone. Oh well, that's the risk you take when you buy boosters. Lesson learned, spend your SP more wisely. |
Coyskurk
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
39
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Posted - 2013.01.30 05:38:00 -
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Volgair wrote:this is not a nice game, and never should be. if you fugged up you SP input. so be it you'll just have to work into what you actually want over time. besides, if CCP allowed for this you would see too many people gravy training the flavor of the month.
Everyone like this post. Seriously. |
Coyskurk
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
39
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Posted - 2013.01.30 05:41:00 -
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CoalRunner wrote:+1 For respec.
This isn't EVE, this is DUST 514.
I know the depth of skills aren't like most FPS' out there, and I know that this is meant to be a game that sticks around for a while - not just a shooter you pick up for a while then move on. I know that many people like the idea of having to really 'earn' something by grinding.
But I don't believe this game should be only for them.
I do believe that a respec option would be a good idea. With the proper limitations (for example, by limiting the frequency of changes, making it an appreciable cost [either AUR or ISK], and even by applying SP penalties) I don't believe that it would make higher level characters more OP'd that they currently would be, and I don't believe it would cause unbalance. The only way to become familiar with a build is to try it out... And the only way to really try something out is by associated skill points to it (some things like the mass driver even require some skills, since they don't have a militia version).
I think this game should be something that everyone can play and enjoy (while rewarding those who put the extra thought and time into it).
"This isn't EVE, this is Dust 514" is the exact opposite approach CCP is taking. They're supposed to be a two games in one combo. |
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BL4CK FRIAR
Defiant Kelkoons
17
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Posted - 2013.01.30 05:47:00 -
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I would be ok with ONE respec, not now, but later down the road when all the weapons are online and all vehicles are online. And by the way no this isnt something that has never happened in Eve online, it has. When they did away with learning skills pilots got all the skills that they had invested in that area back and were able to reassign those points as they wished.
The respec I am ok with in DUST is when all weapons come out (ie Minmatar Assualt Rifles, Caldari Heavies ect and I know this has never been confirmed but you know itll happen) you can delete all your skills in say Minmatar Logistics and reassign them to perhaps Gallente Logistics.
However I am 100% against a full wipe where you retain all the SP you have garnered over the years and have a free ride and I am against paid repecs there you can change the entirety of your choices at the low cost of $35(or whatever). |
Kovak Therim
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
158
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Posted - 2013.01.30 05:53:00 -
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BL4CK FRIAR wrote:I would be ok with ONE respec, not now, but later down the road when all the weapons are online and all vehicles are online. And by the way no this isnt something that has never happened in Eve online, it has. When they did away with learning skills pilots got all the skills that they had invested in that area back and were able to reassign those points as they wished.
The respec I am ok with in DUST is when all weapons come out (ie Minmatar Assualt Rifles, Caldari Heavies ect and I know this has never been confirmed but you know itll happen) you can delete all your skills in say Minmatar Logistics and reassign them to perhaps Gallente Logistics.
However I am 100% against a full wipe where you retain all the SP you have garnered over the years and have a free ride and I am against paid repecs there you can change the entirety of your choices at the low cost of $35(or whatever).
I do agree with this, however. If I trained to use a HMG, then I should know how to handle one from another race nearly as well. Maybe just give us back 75% to represent the 25% of uncertainty that our clone has of using new gear.
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BL4CK FRIAR
Defiant Kelkoons
17
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Posted - 2013.01.30 06:01:00 -
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Kovak Therim wrote:BL4CK FRIAR wrote:I would be ok with ONE respec, not now, but later down the road when all the weapons are online and all vehicles are online. And by the way no this isnt something that has never happened in Eve online, it has. When they did away with learning skills pilots got all the skills that they had invested in that area back and were able to reassign those points as they wished.
The respec I am ok with in DUST is when all weapons come out (ie Minmatar Assualt Rifles, Caldari Heavies ect and I know this has never been confirmed but you know itll happen) you can delete all your skills in say Minmatar Logistics and reassign them to perhaps Gallente Logistics.
However I am 100% against a full wipe where you retain all the SP you have garnered over the years and have a free ride and I am against paid repecs there you can change the entirety of your choices at the low cost of $35(or whatever). I do agree with this, however. If I trained to use a HMG, then I should know how to handle one from another race nearly as well. Maybe just give us back 75% to represent the 25% of uncertainty that our clone has of using new gear.
And I might agree with you except for the fact that if full on racial weapons happen that HMG that is out now will most likely be a Minmatar HMG (for obvious reasons) and like the Dropsuits that are Amarr Heavy, Caldari assualt and so on, have racial skill associated with them. Example being the Prototype Assualt requires Caldari Assualt suit 5, so if you wanted to go the pure ethnic road of being an Amarrian in a logistics suit for example when they came out you would be stuck with Minmatar Logistics X. What I am saying is give all that racial skill back so that you can have Amarr Logistics X right out of the gate instead of being stuck with racial traits you will not use anymore. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2013.01.30 06:18:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Hahaha. EvEtards will be EvEtards. They won't tell you that once per year CCP allow them to change their attributes to suit them. Attributes -> skill points.
Your ad hominem presentation aside, your statement is inaccurate. Attributes = skill accrual rate within specific subsets of skills. Being able to focus your future SP gain =/= altering your previously assigned SP.
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SSBBW Amber
Church of the Unforgiven
26
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Posted - 2013.01.30 07:53:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Lochlorn423 wrote:In the EVE universe you are always accountable for your own actions.
Welp for starters we are Dust Mercs and we are clones. So if they can have consciousness transfers at the time of death, I cant see why at the time of death we cant respec into something different. OMG! We have technology to live forever but we cant respec.
Well lets talk clones, we have clones in Eve as well and unlike DUST mercs, if we die, we potentially can loose SP and any skills that we obtained from that SP. Of course we can purchase Clone Upgrades that covers a certain amount of SP so that we don't loose everything.
This isn't COD, BF3, or any other FPS game you have ever played. This is EvE, and its not for the faint of heart and it is most certainly not for the brain dead button pusher. To succeed in New Eden you have to have balls, brains, and the will to overcome your adversary. Instead of respecs, I'd like to see death penalties like we have in EvE. |
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