Because a tank costs about a million ISK generally, while LAV's have a Max cost of 400 k and move pretty damn fast.

This isn't exactly a nerf, because if this happens, an HAV with a full crew would be more effective than a full HAV is right now

WHAT? It would be a huge nerf. Many corps can field many tanks. As it stands right now, having three tanks on the field is much better than having one tank with a couple of guys in turrets. Also, with current cpu and pg stats, many good tanks do not have good small turrets. You see railgun and blaster tanks with l1 small missile turrets for a reason.

How would separating the driver from the gunner make them harder to kill? A driver can predict his next move without using a mic... because he is making the move. An additional gunner doesn't always know what move the driver will make next, and when is the right time to take the shot.

This would also destroy any form of vehicle combat in pub matches. I understand if you don't want a tank destroying noobs, I try to use railgun for mostly tank v tank, but the way to do this is by restricting what vehicles and gear can be used in pub matches. Making it so that one dumb **** blue dot is your gunner is a terrible idea.

Imo you don't truely understand how bad blue dots are until you drive a tank. They shoot at the enemy MCC, they shoot at your own tank and turret causing smoke and vibrations making it harder to use and see, they fire and overheat the small turrets randomly at no targets or your own tank so they can't be used against enemy infantry, they rarely leave the tank to capture objectives, and they love to fire shots that give away your position instead of waiting for the best time.

If you want to try using a large turret, ask a tanker in your corp to try out his tank, or skill into them yourself. Tankers skilled into large turrets so we can use them, and not some randumb blueberry or people without any points in large turrets.

Why do people say tanks require teamwork to use in one post, and then say that they are a one man army in the next? Just because you don't know how to use a tank doesn't mean it requires no teamwork to use. And teamwork doesn't mean some randumb guy mooching off your WP in your tank.

And like the other guy said, a good proto tank might cost 2mil. Don't you think a tank that costs five times more than your LAV should have some cool benefit that your LAV does not have?

WHAT? It would be a huge nerf. Many corps can field many tanks. As it stands right now, having three tanks on the field is much better than having one tank with a couple of guys in turrets.

How would separating the driver from the gunner make them harder to kill? A driver can predict his next move without using a mic... because he is making the move. An additional gunner doesn't always know what move the driver will make next, and when is the right time to take the shot.

This would also destroy any form of vehicle combat in pub matches. I understand if you don't want a tank destroying noobs, I try to use railgun for mostly tank v tank, but the way to do this is by restricting what vehicles and gear can be used in pub matches. Making it so that one dumb **** blue dot is your gunner is a terrible idea.

Imo you don't truely understand how bad blue dots are until you drive a tank. They shoot at the enemy MCC, they shoot at your own tank and turret causing smoke and vibrations making it harder to use and see, they fire and overheat the small turrets randomly at no targets or your own tank so they can't be used against enemy infantry, they rarely leave the tank to capture objectives, and they love to fire shots that give away your position instead of waiting for the best time.

If you want to try using a large turret, ask a tanker in your corp to try out his tank, or skill into them yourself. Tankers skilled into large turrets so we can use them, and not some randumb blueberry or people without any points in large turrets.

And like the other guy said, a good proto tank might cost 2mil. Don't you think a tank that costs five times more than your LAV should have some cool benefit that your LAV does not have?

lol already put down Mobius fo suggesting this dumb idea
to drop some logic on u OP what happens when MTACs and Fighters get added?
u gonna have 1 person operate the legs of the MTAC and 1 gun or have more than 1 person fly a jet?
ppl need to accept that there will be single manned vehicles thats just how it is

tanks already need support as is with either good gunners in the small turrets or ground infantry

ppl need to stop comparing LAVs and Dropships needing 2 ppl to a tank

Did you read my post? Things like fighters SHOULD be 1-man. How many tanks IRL have 1 person controlling everything? Now how many fighters?

Video games: Fun > Real life.

If you want to use the IRL argument, ask that we only fight on Earth and take out anything futuristic.

This is proving my point; tanks are easy to solo in, and don't need any teamwork.

If you're stupid enough to bring an HAV into a tiny ambush, you deserve to have it blown up.

Your HAV doesn't get easily blown up by everything capable of halfassed AV, does it? LAVs can't survive if they stop moving, while tanks can; however, tanks don't need to stop moving if they only have 1 person, but LAVs do.

I'm getting confused by small blasters recently. Now that I've specced into using them as more or less my primary weapon, I've found that killing with them is a breeze. Everything, including heavies and other LAVs, are getting cut down very quickly- all I'm using is a 20GJ scattered blaster on my methana.

However, it seems that whenever someone else guns for me, they can't get a single kill!

That's what LAVs are like right now, if you can't stand being put down to the same level as everyone else, then **** you.

._. What? Tanks can easily be blown up by "halfassed AV". You even go as far to say that they get blown up so easily in ambush that they shouldn't be used at all.

._. You realize that vehicles can help each other, right? There are even logi LAVs and you can even fit a HAV to be a logi type too.

If you want a 4 man tank then the base hp of shield/armor needs to be increase by 50% at least so that it requires more than 1 person in AV to kill it

Also allow driver to boot anyone from all the guns if need be so blue dots dont take up room

Just enable being able to switch to first person viewing with zooming just like WOT

That way, can focus on either task of moving, or shooting.

I can say from experience that both need a buff. LAV's need more eHP and CPU/PG, and HAV's need slightly more speed and CPU/PG. Also, there should be a different class of vehicle that's has more eHP than HAV's And the driver gets a small turret. No need to already nerf the already bad vehicles. Anyways, I'll pretend you haven't used them, in a sad attempt to validate my opinion

I am in favor of tank change to separate driver-gunners.

It would be more consistent as of all the current vehicles it is the one that can shoot solo. As it is the powerhouse of the three, it is a bit strange to have it this current way.


Would that hurt or help tank operators?
Both.
- Having a minimum of two is a tremendous handicap for the operating team - but that can be considered an acceptable price to have such a behemoth.
+ It would be easier to concentrate on aiming, especially smaller targets.
- It would be more difficult playing peek-a-boo, doing those quick out of cover shots before backing into cover.
+ It would be easier to use active modules - they are currently quite impractical.
- It might be harder to drive backwards, although driver might be given ability to rotate view.
+ On the other hand, it would be easier to make a fighting retreat, the driver could concentrate on road and obstacles while the turret could still do semi-effective shooting.
- On general, it would take more effort to take most out of the effectiveness of a tank as teamwork and communication would be paramount (that could also be considered as a good point as anything which promotes teamwork... Is good.)
+ Tank would have more sets of eyes and better awareness, especially to back.


I would really like to see tanks as roaring mobile vantage points having turrets able to shoot in all directions, requiring teamwork.


And leave the role of 100% solo operated equipment to future MTACs, which would have huge weakness in their blind backside.

This post is the worst idea in the world, not the worst but who's Gunna risk their spendy tank when u might get a ****** turret operator, unless of course in order to use the tank as gunners you had to put in 25% of the isk for the tank cost before being able to bored the tank.