hit detection improved?

Aren't they supposed to be?

I've been using scout suits in my alt this build and I find them very useful in running behind groups of enemies taking out an entire squad with shotgun a sub machine guns.

IMO they still have their uses.

I use the speed upgrade and the profile dampener with dmg upgrades. Works out pretty well most of the time depending on the map.

Oh good point they are still really the only viable option for sgs. And in that regard they work ok. Still the second any one sees youits game over preaty quick.

I play scout but its always 3 ar bullets and boom dead cant even survive 1 crappy mass driver nuke and its true if the selling point of a scout is speed why does every 1 kill them fast doesnt help that most ppl use aim assist which locks on you no matter how fast which make scout speed useless to begin with

In my experience, again it depends on the map. If someone sees me I would usually run for cover and stalk them again from a different direction.

It really feels like your hunting prey.

I'm sure you meant 3 AR bursts not bullets. That being said the scouts are really paper thin if you look at their total hit points so that is pretty expected.

My suggestion is to invest in skills that would make you last longer(I.e. Mechanics and shields) once you've got your offensive skills up.

Proper way to play non sniper scouts is to hit HARD and hit FIRST. if they hit you first then you did something wrong. If there's cover around you, run away rinse and repeat. If no cover pray that you're a better shot. Lol.

Actualy while Im pointing out things that should be scraped as pointless, we should get rid of armor, I mean its preaty pointless.

Its definitely hard out there for a scout right now. Compared to other suits they are definitely at the biggest disadvantage, their hp is much lower than the other suits but their advantages are only slightly higher. Hopefully modules come to balance them out with the other suits but sadly the OP is right when they don't have much use in comparison to heavies, assaults, or logistics.

But then someone put armor on a scout and suddenly... !

Armor can seem sort of crap until you go up against a squad with one of those laser guys, or a bunch of pulse nades, and suddenly shield tanking sort of looks like it does as much good as putting tape on the windows just before the tornado strikes...

There are a lot of tweaks and you start to see some rock paper scissors type strategy for attacks and counters going on but mainly players will stick with what is proven to be safe no matter what game developers throw at them. Give it time and the whole thing will hopefully evolve.

Looking at the evolution of dedicated PvP builds in Demon's Souls you see players creating new and interesting weapon and spell combinations over months and years of fighting each other. The best possible thing happened with that game when From released it: they made a few patches at the very beginning, and called it done. It was then up to the players to figure out what they could do with the game. What was and was not pointless.

I think the very sad thing that has happened in the beta (even though it is also what we as testers are expected to do, i.e. test and give feedback) is that something will be discovered that is good. And then many payers will adopt that something and use it to get kills. And then many players will cry in the forums for the devs to change that thing to make it not so good. And players are never given the chance or opportunity to discover counters or come up with any creative alternatives.

This is part of why DUST 514 has turned out to be a lot more generic than I had hoped it would be. Though I still hope that there is scope enough in what we have left for these natural evolutions in finding the most OP combination of weapons, skills, suits and modules, then finding a way to beat that unbeatable combination to yet take place. And I am positive there is a lot of undiscovered territory in DUSTGǪ Take the laser for example. When it first came out on the market it almost seemed like an lol weapon. There were a few players that saw the potential and even pointed out that it might be joining the ranks of the OP PLEASE NURF DIS NOW! But for the most part not many players took it seriously. Two months later? Nerf lazors. But we should really learn how to deal with things in game as much as turning to the forums as the best possible counter to that which kills us.

Otherwise it may turn out more like you've pictured it above. Why bother with half the stuff you can skill into?

Here is what I think: it's all probably because of the SP wipe. Baseline scout is super weak. I started a thread about this las build and was crying a lot but then what I noticed was that with some scount specific modules later on I caught up with other ppl who were using non-scout suits - and not just the noobs but some ppl in proto stuff.

After the wipe, though, scout is back to being:

a) paperthin with a dismal shield regen speed
b) too slow to outrun/ dodge you opponent
c) no significant signature profile advantage to be able to stay off the radar
d) SG w/o sharpshooter and other augments is a crap weapon with range of a kitchen knife

Oh, almost forgot: The current turtle SP gain definitely discourages me to play scout as it would take some crazy time investment just to be able to be on par with standard suits of other kinds. I dunno, CCP, something feels sour again.

If you're dying constantly as a Scout, you need to learn when (and how) to disengage.

Scouts CANNOT engage enemies head-on, but they can outpace and outmanoeuvre basically any other suit.

The only real problem is when you're looking at the higher-tier suits, and particularly some of the Logi suits which get all the speed of the Scout - and then some.

Don't forget about their low profile. Pump up dropsuit command and add a profile dampener to your fitting; you'll be practically invisible unless someone has you directly in their sights.

Can you get a positive KD as a scout? yes. Is it easier to just run and gun as an assault? In just about every measurable way, yes. With a much higher score on average to boot.

hit detection improved?

Not everybody measures fun in terms of KDR. If you want to measure your e-peen with high KDR, go heavy or snipe. If you want a challenge, go scout.

opportunistic strikes only get you so far, assuming you disengage at an appropriate time the likely hood of a hard corner to dart behind 4-6 seconds is relativity low, making your point moot.

Can you get a positive KD as a scout? yes. Is it easier to just run and gun as an assault? In just about every measurable way, yes. With a much higher score on average to boot.

@Thranx1231 Please I dont think ive died to a scout since I put an assault suit.

Actualy while Im pointing out things that should be scraped as pointless, we should get rid of armor, I mean its preaty pointless.

I blame the community.

For their incessant whining.

well we both can have a duel at hacking points then. That's one thing assaults can't do as good as logis. Except for the whole "take all the crap others need on the frontline (nanohives, droplinks, you name it) with you" part of course (I do admit, i have no idea how many slots assaults have for droplinks etc. but my guess would )

Then i'd also like to see you in an assault put up with a tank and after that infantry with the same build. Call me crazy, but i do believe heavies are better at busting installations / tanks with their inferno guns than assaults with their Swarm launchers. They are the bigger threat to infantry at least.

Regarding scouts: i use scouts in emergency situations, in case we get baseraped/camped/redlined/callithoweveryouwant, to fastly put a forward spawn droplink right in the back of the enemies. I'd really like to see you trying that in a run of the mill assault suit (i am talking about using blueprint grade scout dropsuits, with only one militia grade assault rifle, no grenades - it's basically a suicide suit). You'd most certainly get squashed in the process.

Wanting to get rid of all the other suits, because Assaults are better in . . . your average fighting encounter. . . makes you look like a KDR focused type of guy.

opportunistic strikes only get you so far, assuming you disengage at an appropriate time the likely hood of a hard corner to dart behind 4-6 seconds is relativity low, making your point moot.

Can you get a positive KD as a scout? yes. Is it easier to just run and gun as an assault? In just about every measurable way, yes. With a much higher score on average to boot.

so many giving advice, Im well aware how a scout works. Im asking if anyone notices a difference this build...

so many giving advice, Im well aware how a scout works. Im asking if anyone notices a difference this build...

Im not that good than sleepy zan, thanks for is comment on this post, but im a scout specialist right now and i can say go for A type fast climb your shield to got complex extander and take basic armor with shotgun thats pretty nice fit for me but i guess they need to got a kind of cloak or a + 15 shield hp on their basic profile to get even the scout and the other classes.
Thats my opinion

Some good comments made so far about scout use and balance. I would like to see increased base scan range and better scan precision. Possibly slightly increased walk/strafe speed. I would like to see scouts have a more valuable role in a squad instead of being confined to solo work only. Increased ability to add radar information for your local squad mates would be a great addition.

I do agree with this and like that the scout suit has more of an identity now. Other than the best ever CQC suit there ever was.

It almost seems like everyone just wants all the suits to be the same in the end. Scout suit is a specialist suit and is great for tackling certain situations during a match.

But it is not a great generalist suit that you can just throw on and use to slog it out on the front lines. It is not a utilitarian suit for boosting KDR in gun fights.

Hopefully signature profile, scanning, even stealth will play a more important role as we get into the game. Yes, you can fit logi suits so they move fast. But that is not the only benefit of a scout suit. In some situations it's better to be nearly invisible to your opponent than to be able to move fast.

Right now I have been using a scout suit with signature dampeners, a shot gun, and drop uplink for that first horrible spawn into ambush. I have found it to be the suit with the highest survival rate when spawning in randomly in ambush.

Edit* should add, besides heavy. Never really survive spawning right in front of a heavy in any suit. And I don't use the heavy suit myself.

And Edit* again... to me it just feels like I am not getting away with as much as I have been able to in the past. I've run a scout fitting in almost every build and did like that I used to be able to dodge bullets. Just seems like scout is not dodging bullets as much, anymore.

I use a militia grade (Dragonfly) scout suit with a free fit. by the way the valor is solidly better.

But I use the scoutsuit as a line breacher. get behind the enemy, or flank them. I use profile damps, AV grenades for the LAV BumperTards, damage mods and a shotgun. Or Ill swap the damps for a codebreaker in skirmish. works about as well.

I play assassin. my favorite thing is to find red dots, preferrably 4 at a time and see how many I can murder in rapid order without dying. 4 is my record in a single encounter. did it twice. 2-3 shots tops to kill prototypes one well aimed shot for any of the others.

The seekrit of scouting?
Never stop moving.

hit detection improved?

I think that the hit box got bigger or the bt detection got better. Used tm be able to zig zag up on someone and splat. Before the wipe it was just splat on my part if I tried to enter a fire fight. There still good though, if you play smart you can 20/0 just need to use brains not brawn. Flank and shorty to the back. It's the way forward

realy only problem I have with the scout suite is it's pathetic cpu I mean really it's so low that putting an advanced sniper on one takes damn near all of the suites space!

good thing for the cpu upgrades or I'd have to get the A series before I could even think about using advanced gear.

I think you may have been given the wrong definition of the word "suite"...

Also, skill into CPU-increasing skills, and into the "Upgrade" tree for your preferred weapon class, and most CPU issues evaporate pretty fast.

Pretty much I agree with this for the way to go with a scout. After you reach A-Series you can sit on that for awhile while skilling to other areas as needed. I don't think the scout needs an hp boost it's only really the fact that it has a shortage of high slots in the standard tier that fucks it over in the beginning. Still I would like to see more than just a 10% difference in the scan profile from the assault suit (Assault suit 50 prof/ Scout 45 prof).

Right now the only identity a scout holds that differs from other suit is that it knows how to GTFO. I would like to see something more significant.

Gtfo? What that mean?