I'm sure you've considered the fact that you may actually be a better player than most. perhaps ccp can just nerf you for balance purposes.

The heavy suit feels about right in terms of armour hitpoints atm.

Really not. there's no weapon that doesn't chew them up and spit them out in rapid order. heavies should be able to at least hit 1k HP total between armor and shields. At the proto level. But this doesn't happen.

I stopped at the B series in the last build with no regrets. Want to know how to waste 1.2m sp? Go proto heavy.

Really not. there's no weapon that doesn't chew them up and spit them out in rapid order. heavies should be able to at least hit 1k HP total between armor and shields. At the proto level. But this doesn't happen.

Yea, but I'm definitely not as good as the Zitros or some of their boys, yet I get similar scores in my fat suit, so it does make me curious lol. CCP should do that though, anyone who goes over a certain KD/R or whatever automatically starts taking % penalties across the board.

Last build my type 2 heavy hit 1.1K HP with mechanics V, shield control iV, two complex shield extenders and one complex armor. So, a heavy is fine when you're all the way skilled and moded up. Sure hope they don't nerf it... I'd hate to have wasted all my SP, like I did last build when I specked into small and large missile turrets.

The HMG has way too much range and a ridiculous clip size.

The HMG has way too much range and a ridiculous clip size. People asking for a buff to heavies completely baffle me.

The HMG has way too much range and a ridiculous clip size. People asking for a buff to heavies completely baffle me.

Last build my type 2 heavy hit 1.1K HP with mechanics V, shield control iV, two complex shield extenders and one complex armor. So, a heavy is fine when you're all the way skilled and moded up. Sure hope they don't nerf it... I'd hate to have wasted all my SP, like I did last build when I specked into small and large missile turrets.

I dont think anybody asked for the HMG to be buffed. They are talking about the suit.

Clip size is balanced by the fact that it takes 10 seconds to reload - almost guaranteed death in the heat of battle.

Too much range? I think most would disagree.

The HMG is so effective already that there is no need for any sort of buff making heavies more powerful then they already are. If they were to buff the suit the HMG would need a nerf to make up for it.

I don't think heavies were intended to be one man armies. They're supposed to be playing a support role (currently nobody uses it this way) and be an effective anti-vehicle class (which it's so bad at that anyone with flux grenades can play this role better).

For the record: at no point are any of my arguments in favor of either buffing or nerfing HMGs or forge guns. My posts in this thread are SOLELY directed at the complete lack of real survivability, damage or utility increase between the advanced and prototype tier heavy dropsuits.

that was a blanket statement, because the posts were getting off-topic and I was hoping to bring it back on track. The heavy suits at the prototype level need a boost or a price drop. The HMG is a completely separate issue and bluntly the HMG is easy to eliminate from the battlefield. TOO easy to eliminate given that a heavy dropsuit fit costs anywhere up to 4 times that of a assault for very little gained in destructive potential or survivability, since armor tanking is currently inferior to shield tank in every possible way.


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putting armor plates on a heavy is wrong.

once the assault dropsuit players are running advanced dropsuits with advanced guns and advanced modules with the support skills dialled up to 11 we will be right back to where we ended last build, with heavy dropsuits being used as practice for easy AR kills, a mildly diverting activity I must say.

at low levels the heavies are ferocious against militia, standard and some advanced. at advanced, heavies absolutely shred advanced. at proto, heavies absolutely wish they hadn't wasted the ISK and SP.

Not if you have a dedicated healer with you

that's because an HMG has a wide damage spread. The further out you are, the wider the "cone of fire" (Yes this is real terminology used by machinegunners) get, and the less rounds will strike on average per target. CCP has kindly included this effect for our benefit.

So the Assault rifle is accurate at 50, because it is a point-fire weapon. the HMG is an area suppression weapon. Maybe 1 out of 10 of your HMG rounds are hitting AR gumby, when he's nailing you with 50-90% of his shots. The math is not in your favor.

In CQC when his assault suit fills your aim circle, the odds swing wildly back your way because 90% of your rounds will hit him, and you fire three for every one of his.

heavies work well in a defensive formation/position, but tend to get eaten alive when attacking unless there's ample cover and concealment. Do I think heavies are balanced?

hell no. the ISK/SP cost versus effectiveness is wildly in the favor of assault and logistics. scouts are in a class all on their own. I'm doing phenomenally better as an assault than I ever did as a heavy, same with Logi over heavy. he only time fatsuits kill me is when they catch me by surprise.

It's not just assaults, what about shotgun scouts with dampeners and speed boosters? or prototype lasers? And for a little while longer we get to enjoy not being OHK'd by every sniper on the map. I'm fine with it and I expect to lose some clones. I just don't want it to be worse than it is.

If they are going to nerf the Type I/Type II suit, then I do hope they boost up the prototype suit a bit to make it worthy of being prototype.



I had one type A heavy suit on last build that was only used with a logi. It worked well.