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Heavy suits don't need a nerf, the HMG does.

Heavies IMO should be the infantry based tanks to take on vehicles and take a severe beating from those vehicles. But as it is now, the HMG is just too powerful for such a high-health suit going up against other significantly weaker infantry players. Heavies ought to be mainly used against vehicles, but not much more than that. Their role against other infantry players should be very minor (only as a support role) and not nearly as effective as it is now.

The MH 82 already has the lowest DPS of every weapon in the game. Even the the officer version (the Gaston) has less than a Toxin SMG. The assault and burst equivalents even less DPS. Rate of fire marginally makes up for this due to accuracy. Yes, its a powerfull weapon when used properly. So is a shotgun on a scout suit with kinetic catalysers and profile dampners. They kill heavys all the time. We dont yell OP over it. We cuss at the t.v. and then respawn.

The MH 82 already has the lowest DPS of every weapon in the game. Even the the officer version (the Gaston) has less than a Toxin SMG. The assault and burst equivalents even less DPS. Rate of fire marginally makes up for this due to accuracy. Yes, its a powerfull weapon when used properly. So is a shotgun on a scout suit with kinetic catalysers and profile dampners. They kill heavys all the time. We dont yell OP over it. We cuss at the t.v. and then respawn.

The MH 82 already has the lowest DPS of every weapon in the game. Even the the officer version (the Gaston) has less than a Toxin SMG. The assault and burst equivalents even less DPS. Rate of fire marginally makes up for this due to accuracy. Yes, its a powerfull weapon when used properly. So is a shotgun on a scout suit with kinetic catalysers and profile dampners. They kill heavys all the time. We dont yell OP over it. We cuss at the t.v. and then respawn.

Actually it has higher DPS. Damage per second. It has the higher because of the rof. More rof = more DPS.

I think you mean pure DPB... Damage per bullet. And it has the lowest damage simply because the HMG would be OP if it spit out 30 dmg bullets with a 2k rof.

DPS=Damage Per Shot.
ROF=Rate Of Fire

Heavy suits don't need a nerf, the HMG does.

Heavies IMO should be the infantry based tanks to take on vehicles and take a severe beating from those vehicles. But as it is now, the HMG is just too powerful for such a high-health suit going up against other significantly weaker infantry players. Heavies ought to be mainly used against vehicles, but not much more than that. Their role against other infantry players should be very minor (only as a support role) and not nearly as effective as it is now.

no. double armor half range wouldn't solve the problem. it'd simply make them more ineffective.

you run from heavies by bolting behind cover. If I had a nickel for every person who complained about HMGs being overpowered and a dime for every time I've seen a heavy absolutely annihilate everyone on the field, I'd Have a 10-1 ratio of nickels to dimes.

How is a class that requires 50% more expensive in SP and 400% as expensive per fit in ISK being dangerous on the field and capable of doing significant destruction unfair? Heavies must pay very dearly in order to be effective. Because in three weeks from now we're going to see heavies absolutely get their asses used as everyone's punch dummy. Unless they stay with two specific suits. In which case they break even.

If you nerf heavies further, the SP cost and ISK cost needs to drop sharply.

Huh... I've never thought of the heavies as weak in this build, I always find them extremely overwhelming unless they're militia fits. They take so much to kill and HMGs kill in an instant when in the right range and still have good range. I'm mainly an assault player but made a heavy today and capped it out on SP and after getting the type I suit I felt extremely OP lol. A bit slow, but eh, it's easy to keep within HMGs distance unless I spawn on the outskirts of a map.

Diggin it, I could get used to being a walking tank. Fuse grenades are such a hard counter that it's ridiculous though.

At your level, they may be a bit OP to others in militia gear, but the point is that it wont get much better as you advance. Just wait until you're level 5 with a few skills and see which gear you're still using. So if ccp decides to "balance" us in a negative way, then they will likely not be able to serve the role that they are intended. They've essentially said that the heavy suit is going to change for balance, so I'm curious what they're thoughts are about it. I know that I just have to wait, but i'm not sure that I want to skill further into it.

Heavies kill. I don't understand why that upsets so many others. If you want some extra war points, throw a repair nanohive at my feet and I'll happily fill up.

think of prototype gear with proto mods as 100% efficiency. Level 1 heavy is 70% Type 2 is 85%, level 3 is 93% and the rest drops sharply from there when you consider heavies.

assault get linear gains. The heavies gain very little after type 2 armor, which you need amarr heavy dropsuits at 2 for.

This is about as good as the heavy game gets.

think of prototype gear with proto mods as 100% efficiency. Level 1 heavy is 70% Type 2 is 85%, level 3 is 93% and the rest drops sharply from there when you consider heavies.

assault get linear gains. The heavies gain very little after type 2 armor, which you need amarr heavy dropsuits at 2 for.

This is about as good as the heavy game gets.

I wouldn't worry about the QQing my heavy brothers once the Ass guys get their Duvolles back they'll be happy again. I got more hate mail last night, some blueberry couldn't kill me. I laughed because he 1 stood still, 2 didn't throw grenades and 3 though I was cheating!!! No afraid not but over the last few builds I have been mapping a dedicated skill progression for my heavy and the key thing I have found to get early on is field mechanics to level 5 early on to give you a longer life expectancy IMHO. But we'll just need to see where CCP go with the heavy, how i miss the early days with 25 damage per shot and 3000 RPM HMG, good times...

Regards Snag

I wouldn't worry about the QQing my heavy brothers once the Ass guys get their Duvolles back they'll be happy again. I got more hate mail last night, some blueberry couldn't kill me. I laughed because he 1 stood still, 2 didn't throw grenades and 3 though I was cheating!!! No afraid not but over the last few builds I have been mapping a dedicated skill progression for my heavy and the key thing I have found to get early on is field mechanics to level 5 early on to give you a longer life expectancy IMHO. But we'll just need to see where CCP go with the heavy, how i miss the early days with 25 damage per shot and 3000 RPM HMG, good times...

Regards Snag

If anything they need a boost. My hmg vs standard assault rifle at say 50m and even with my superior Hp and my aurum gun I can still go down first if neither of us are missing shots

A boost ? cut the crap. At 50m, your HMG shouldnt be accurate... HMG range has already been boosted way too much since codex. Or at least the accuracy\range ratio. In fact, the specificity of the HMG that required the HMG to fire shots and get accurate over time is now gone. And that's just bad.

Why was a blueberry trying to kill you?

Personally, the heavy suit needs a bit of an HP buff to go with a new reason to spend the 260, 000 ISK on Proto Vk. 1. The fact that the shield based Type 2 series and up have no incentive beyond the redistribution of HP to more being in shields, which in turn makes the suit a bit faster. There is no difference in slots, PG, or CPU on the suit. I figure IF i give up some of the armor and replace it with shields, it would make sense to have a slightly expanded CPU and PG, and possibly an equipment slot (would be great for my Heavy Glass fit) or possibly one more high or low slot on the suit to really differentiate the roles each suit plays currently.

What about some different weapons that would also help define the potential roles of the heavy? And how is this going to work when more racially focused variants of the suits become available? Will they have to go through a huge rebalancing issue again?