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Field Hawk
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.12 15:40:00 -
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It's all about the title, they are just too overpowered, they just kill you less than 2 seconds and have a sniper range, they need a nerf NOW! |
aden slayer
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
407
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Posted - 2013.01.12 15:46:00 -
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Kill yourself. |
Field Hawk
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2013.01.12 15:48:00 -
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aden slayer wrote:Kill yourself.
I'm already dead from the damn laser rifle. |
Government CheeseBurger
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
232
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Posted - 2013.01.12 15:49:00 -
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try using one? If not then go try it out. Then get back to us.
Note: Use the search function. This has been posted already. |
Shouper of BHD
Better Hide R Die
37
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Posted - 2013.01.12 15:49:00 -
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nope, get him close quarters and your good. also chances are the guy using them slaped on damage modifers like people do with ARs. LRs are good for the guy in the back of the squad, heres a good squad form of 5.
Heavy+ HMG Assault+ AR+ammo Assualt+ AR+ ammo Logistics+MD+ Nanite injector Heavy or Assualt+LR injector adviced
* * * * * ^ units formation ^
EDIT: sorry, it auto maticly pushes it to the side so this was mostly useless. |
Field Hawk
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2013.01.12 15:52:00 -
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Shouper of BHD wrote:nope, get him close quarters and your good. also chances are the guy using them slaped on damage modifers like people do with ARs. LRs are good for the guy in the back of the squad, heres a good squad form of 5.
Heavy+ HMG Assault+ AR+ammo Assualt+ AR+ ammo Logistics+MD+ Nanite injector Heavy or Assualt+LR injector adviced
* * * * * ^ units formation ^
EDIT: sorry, it auto maticly pushes it to the side so this was mostly useless.
Let me be more specific, this happened before the reset, i had an assault VK.1 with 340 armor and 322 shield, it literally killed me in less than 5 seconds and the guy that killed me wasn't even visible, this is what is bugging me.
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Government CheeseBurger
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
232
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Posted - 2013.01.12 15:55:00 -
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Field Hawk wrote:Shouper of BHD wrote:nope, get him close quarters and your good. also chances are the guy using them slaped on damage modifers like people do with ARs. LRs are good for the guy in the back of the squad, heres a good squad form of 5.
Heavy+ HMG Assault+ AR+ammo Assualt+ AR+ ammo Logistics+MD+ Nanite injector Heavy or Assualt+LR injector adviced
* * * * * ^ units formation ^
EDIT: sorry, it auto maticly pushes it to the side so this was mostly useless. Let me be more specific, this happened before the reset, i had an assault VK.1 with 340 armor and 322 shield, it literally killed me in less than 5 seconds and the guy that killed me wasn't even visible, this is what is bugging me. There is the law of large numbers working in this game as well. Good chance you had any combination of people that were also shooting at you prior to the laser taking the cake so to speak. Just because it says killed by laser does not always mean it was just the laser. You could have been hit by a milita sniper rifle at the same time. |
Field Hawk
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2013.01.12 16:00:00 -
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Government CheeseBurger wrote:Field Hawk wrote:Shouper of BHD wrote:nope, get him close quarters and your good. also chances are the guy using them slaped on damage modifers like people do with ARs. LRs are good for the guy in the back of the squad, heres a good squad form of 5.
Heavy+ HMG Assault+ AR+ammo Assualt+ AR+ ammo Logistics+MD+ Nanite injector Heavy or Assualt+LR injector adviced
* * * * * ^ units formation ^
EDIT: sorry, it auto maticly pushes it to the side so this was mostly useless. Let me be more specific, this happened before the reset, i had an assault VK.1 with 340 armor and 322 shield, it literally killed me in less than 5 seconds and the guy that killed me wasn't even visible, this is what is bugging me. There is the law of large numbers working in this game as well. Good chance you had any combination of people that were also shooting at you prior to the laser taking the cake so to speak. Just because it says killed by laser does not always mean it was just the laser. You could have been hit by a milita sniper rifle at the same time.
maybe, but they are still OP lol |
lordjanuz
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation
88
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Posted - 2013.01.12 16:01:00 -
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Lasers ok |
crazy space 2100046106
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2013.01.12 16:03:00 -
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oh boy another op thread *rolls eyes* |
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aden slayer
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
407
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Posted - 2013.01.12 16:05:00 -
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Field Hawk wrote:aden slayer wrote:Kill yourself. I'm already dead from the damn laser rifle.
Than HTFU and get good. Adapt or die. |
slap26
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
462
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Posted - 2013.01.12 16:25:00 -
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Standerd laser isn't as affective right now because no one is running shield tanked suits at the moment |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2282
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Posted - 2013.01.12 17:10:00 -
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Standard and ELM are fine tbh Viz might need lookin into.......but no one got the viz back yet so OP can stop QQing now |
Entrei Blackstorm
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
49
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Posted - 2013.01.12 18:07:00 -
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Field Hawk wrote:Shouper of BHD wrote:nope, get him close quarters and your good. also chances are the guy using them slaped on damage modifers like people do with ARs. LRs are good for the guy in the back of the squad, heres a good squad form of 5.
Heavy+ HMG Assault+ AR+ammo Assualt+ AR+ ammo Logistics+MD+ Nanite injector Heavy or Assualt+LR injector adviced
* * * * * ^ units formation ^
EDIT: sorry, it auto maticly pushes it to the side so this was mostly useless. Let me be more specific, this happened before the reset, i had an assault VK.1 with 340 armor and 322 shield, it literally killed me in less than 5 seconds and the guy that killed me wasn't even visible, this is what is bugging me.
Lasting against focus fire for 4.9 seconds is pretty amazing. You need to be nerfed! |
Reimus Klinsman
BetaMax.
319
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Posted - 2013.01.12 19:44:00 -
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Field Hawk wrote:It's all about the title, they are just too overpowered, they just kill you less than 2 seconds and have a sniper range, they need a nerf NOW!
Their range is actually not too far. They consume so much ammo. They can damage their user. They have to watch ammo amount and heat. They deal so little damage up close.
For a laser rifle to be useful, you need to get in a good position... If you do, you deserve to wreak havok on people... But when the LR kills 500hp before you can react... Its a problem. I think lag spikes may play a factor.. But I'm not sure. |
Lord Crases
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
19
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Posted - 2013.01.12 19:55:00 -
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Reimus Klinsman wrote:Field Hawk wrote:It's all about the title, they are just too overpowered, they just kill you less than 2 seconds and have a sniper range, they need a nerf NOW! Their range is actually not too far. They consume so much ammo. They can damage their user. They have to watch ammo amount and heat. They deal so little damage up close. For a laser rifle to be useful, you need to get in a good position... If you do, you deserve to wreak havok on people... But when the LR kills 500hp before you can react... Its a problem. I think lag spikes may play a factor.. But I'm not sure.
Pretty much this,
You got a weapon made to be ranged God mode for suppressing fire from an elevated point. You have two options to deal with: 1) sniper 2) fly up in a transport and make them rue the day/OB |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2046
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Posted - 2013.01.12 20:12:00 -
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Nothing wrong with the standard or the ELM imo, ofcourse lasers are expected to zap you after they heat up at a distance, but the viziam does it's job way too well. It reminds me when you could one shot heavies with the sniper and probably should be "tweaked". |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2013.01.12 20:15:00 -
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Lasers should build up by time on target, not the heat bar. Would instantly fix the OP problem. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1772
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Posted - 2013.01.12 20:19:00 -
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The problem with lasers are the maps. It's too easy to climb these ladders sometimes - get at a high point where AR need to almost stand under you to get into an effective range.
Then there's that mountainous map - lasers paradise lol |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
742
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Posted - 2013.01.12 20:24:00 -
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Lord Crases wrote:Reimus Klinsman wrote:Field Hawk wrote:It's all about the title, they are just too overpowered, they just kill you less than 2 seconds and have a sniper range, they need a nerf NOW! Their range is actually not too far. They consume so much ammo. They can damage their user. They have to watch ammo amount and heat. They deal so little damage up close. For a laser rifle to be useful, you need to get in a good position... If you do, you deserve to wreak havok on people... But when the LR kills 500hp before you can react... Its a problem. I think lag spikes may play a factor.. But I'm not sure. Pretty much this, You got a weapon made to be ranged God mode for suppressing fire from an elevated point. You have two options to deal with: 1) sniper 2) fly up in a transport and make them rue the day/OB
Wouldn't advise flying up to them, you'll lose your ship.
Max Damage needs a slight nerf, once fully heated it will destroy vehicles shields with ease, just aint right. |
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crazy space 2100046106
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2013.01.13 02:05:00 -
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Reimus Klinsman wrote:Field Hawk wrote:It's all about the title, they are just too overpowered, they just kill you less than 2 seconds and have a sniper range, they need a nerf NOW! Their range is actually not too far. They consume so much ammo. They can damage their user. They have to watch ammo amount and heat. They deal so little damage up close. For a laser rifle to be useful, you need to get in a good position... If you do, you deserve to wreak havok on people... But when the LR kills 500hp before you can react... Its a problem. I think lag spikes may play a factor.. But I'm not sure. But at the same time if your too close, even like what you think is far away you only deal 20% of your total damage. |
Zekain Kade
BetaMax.
931
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Posted - 2013.01.13 02:08:00 -
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you guys know that breach, and assault variants are probably going to be added in the next patch, right? |
miahus
CrimeWave Syndicate
78
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Posted - 2013.01.14 03:20:00 -
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Laser rifles damage to armor should be lowered. |
lowratehitman
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
282
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Posted - 2013.01.14 03:23:00 -
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I am curious if the OP has ever tried a laser rifle, if so he would know that the downside is close quarters combat, hip fire kills come few and far between. |
Jason Punk
DUST University Ivy League
71
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Posted - 2013.01.14 03:42:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:The problem with lasers are the maps. It's too easy to climb these ladders sometimes - get at a high point where AR need to almost stand under you to get into an effective range.
Then there's that mountainous map - lasers paradise lol
I'll actually take you on that one. Frankly, I'm coming to the point where I don't think anything is OP but rather everything will eventually be a matter of cost-effectiveness and their price will be closer to the reality of their power.
On the usability side however, I agree with SoTa, that this too will change per situation. While more maps will be great for basic gameplay and high-sec level fitting, Corporation warfare is a different story as everyone will obviously be trying to use the best tactics they know and whatever is believed to be "OP" will be sufficiently nullified by the fact that both teams have them and they are homogeneous weapons...leaving the variable to skill and wit.
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Kalante Schiffer
UnReaL.
183
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Posted - 2013.01.14 03:44:00 -
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i have not seen many people today running the lasers, but when i see some one shooting me from far away i just hide because my AR bullets wont get to him. also same against some heavy users, i can damage them but when it comes to killing them they sometimes end up beating me just by a small fraction of health left in them. if i upgrade my skills to level 5 i would **** them easily. |
Sgt Kirk
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
347
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Posted - 2013.01.14 04:53:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:you guys know that breach, and assault variants are probably going to be added in the next patch, right? Oh your god please tell me you're not lying. I want this to be true so badly. |
KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
248
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Posted - 2013.01.14 05:11:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:Lord Crases wrote:Reimus Klinsman wrote:Field Hawk wrote:It's all about the title, they are just too overpowered, they just kill you less than 2 seconds and have a sniper range, they need a nerf NOW! Their range is actually not too far. They consume so much ammo. They can damage their user. They have to watch ammo amount and heat. They deal so little damage up close. For a laser rifle to be useful, you need to get in a good position... If you do, you deserve to wreak havok on people... But when the LR kills 500hp before you can react... Its a problem. I think lag spikes may play a factor.. But I'm not sure. Pretty much this, You got a weapon made to be ranged God mode for suppressing fire from an elevated point. You have two options to deal with: 1) sniper 2) fly up in a transport and make them rue the day/OB Wouldn't advise flying up to them, you'll lose your ship. Max Damage needs a slight nerf, once fully heated it will destroy vehicles shields with ease, just aint right.
No they won't take down vehicles, not even buffed viziam |
Aighun
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
666
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Posted - 2013.01.14 06:07:00 -
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Field Hawk wrote:It's all about the title, they are just too overpowered, they just kill you less than 2 seconds and have a sniper range, they need a nerf NOW!
Even with maxed out sharp shooter a laser won't have sniper rifle range.
It works best at longer ranger, and assualt rifles don't. At mid range they are about equal, anything closer than mid range and laser sucks. And, as has been pointed out, really crap accuracy hip firing.
Best thing to do in my opinion would be to skill into laser rifle 1 and use one for 4 full matches of ambush and 4 full matches of skirmish.
See how well you do. |
xXDust BunnyXx
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2013.01.14 06:13:00 -
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Aighun wrote:Field Hawk wrote:It's all about the title, they are just too overpowered, they just kill you less than 2 seconds and have a sniper range, they need a nerf NOW! Even with maxed out sharp shooter a laser won't have sniper rifle range. It works best at longer ranger, and assualt rifles don't. At mid range they are about equal, anything closer than mid range and laser sucks. And, as has been pointed out, really crap accuracy hip firing. Best thing to do in my opinion would be to skill into laser rifle 1 and use one for 4 full matches of ambush and 4 full matches of skirmish. See how well you do.
Agree with this, my main is laser rifle.....trust me it has its advantages and disadvantages. Please try it urself before posting QQ threads. |
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