The funny thing is you get 5 SP for every 1 second of Battle. This means that every minute of battle you can get 300 SP. Which means if you play a skirmish game of 30 minutes you get 9000 SP per game. 3 skirmishes and you have reached your cap. With the boosters thats your 40K daily SP there .

Turn of the PS3 after that and go get some sunshine .

I am on the fence with THE core system in DUST514. IMO the SP system will be the biggest thing that either retains or pushes away everyday FPS players, regardless of whatever SP system they put in (daily, weekly, no cap).

When I am in my PS3's menu deciding what game I want to play, the two things that enter into my mind are entertainment and accomplishment. If a game accomplishes both of those I will probably play it. When I "beat" the game, I usually don't pick it up much anymore.

For example, when I hit max level and opened all the weapons on BF3, my playtime on that game winded down to nil. So with DUST514 there needs to be an incentive to keep playing. The SP system and acquiring skills accomplishes that. But at what entertainment value?

Is logging into DUST going to be a chore I have to perform everyday or is it going to be something I look forward to playing when I get home from work?

This is why I think CCP has their work cut out for them with the SP system. It needs to cater to so many player types it's VERY hard to get it right. A "perfect" SP system would make the HC gamer that plays 6-8hrs a day and the casual gamer happy with everything theyve accomplished on a dialy basis. Making it not only worthwhile to log in, but fun.

I have a great time grouping with my corp. mates, but in the end don't we also want to further out characters at the same time?

I feel for CCP since this will be one of the biggest questions they have to answer. EVE side players are used to a long character training (think months and years). The average FPS player isn't used to waiting months to further skills, which is going to be the retention challenge presented to CCP.

Its not a MMOFPS , it just likes to call itself one but thats another thread. I havent with no boosters gotten over 200,000 isk a match if i wore a 300,000 load out and went 22/8 i still lost. in a month i have stocked pile ISK as well just running milita fits to about 5mil now when im mid sp and still can get steamrolled in a match. a kill should give you your load out value to be able to keep running what you like and to improve upon without a Eve or Corp transfer. Yes they do because it screws up the standard to balance off of. have AUR give weapons and outfits, not mess with progression in such a heavy need to have SP in something to work right.

Dont like COD and it makes people sound like they have no clue what their talking about when they run to COD all the time for a argument. No one saids Wow for any MMORPG reference

i like the cap i dont have that urgency to grind every day so i end up playing when i want to not because i feel i have to keep up

2 mil only in SP i didnt sit with passive on when i had finals for a month and had a fracture hand before that . its not a MMOFPS at all its a match base 48 player game with a closed environment. It doesnt matter if 100 games are happening its still just 48 players. Eve is the MMO not Dust and we both know the connection will not effect Eve. Also 300,000k isk is still bull when the load out can cost you maybe 150,000isk. if you died twice your losing money and SP makes the gear you buy work so it is unfair to progression. If this beta increases my reward to 15k SP a match that means your booster has to do about 25k to make the booster worth it.Allowing you to fly through SP steam rolling and the normal playerbase a good progression.

The only thing that is MMO ish is the market but i dont see Eve pilots needing assault rifles , so we will mostly be selling to our own.

Another fact is we like Eve but really dont need Eve, our MCC could do everything the Eve pilot can do and dont need Eve players to make items for us if we kept the market as is.

This is Dust biggest mistake is not reading the definition of the game its making.

MMOFPS is an online gaming genre which features a persistent world and a large number of simultaneous players in a first-person shooter fashion.[10][11] These games provide large-scale, sometimes team-based combat. The addition of persistence in the game world means that these games add elements typically found in RPGs, such as experience points.[citation needed] However, MMOFPS games emphasize player skill more than player statistics, as no number of in-game bonuses will compensate for a player's inability to aim and think tactically.[12]

Neocron is sometimes considered the first MMOFPS,[12][13] most consider it a hybrid of MMORPG and first-person shooter,[14][15] with the later PlanetSide allowing 399 players all to fight together on the same map. Some may consider Zipper's MAG an MMOFPS as it allows up to 256 players to fight together on the same map.[16] The newest, and by far the biggest, MMOFPS to date PlanetSide 2, sequel to the original game. It is able to support up to 2,000 players in a single map, or continent of the game with a max cap of 6,000 players on a single server fighting across different continents.

So right now under the current system if you use all boosters and get all SP

40,800 x 30 = 1,224,000 mil
36,000 x 30 = 1,080,000 mil
Maximum SP for 30 days is= 2,304,000 mil
Over 3 months = 6,912,000 about 3 merc packs? so $60?

------Ref from CCP FRAME
``Further clarification to the Skill Points gain system changes:

If you get the active booster the cap is raised to 40.800 SP per day.
The numbers are only for the active skill gains.
Passive gain will still be at 24.000 SP per day, or 36.000 SP per day if you're running a booster.``

Under the current system if someone joins a year after release you are behind 28,032,000 million SP. How do you kill that which has no life? You dont, you just dont play. oh? what is that over there? far cry 4 with mmo multiplayer? huh guess I would rather play that then be 28 mil behind and NEVER ABLE TO CATCH UP!

yeah I will play this at launch but a year from now I bet the games gonna be hurting for new players and starving for cash.

I would not play this game under current sp system if i started playing a year after launch and if i was a current player I would not recommend people start playing.

Just my 2 AUR

I meant there not truly needed and if we cut from Eve that were not we would be fine. Im going to try and type slower because two people have commented that im going broken english when i rapid reply. I understand the 7 year process and investment, but when you mess with damage & range on a FPS players weapon or Radar we get pissed. Especially when we see a SP system that charges you to make your weapon work sorta speak. Thats my biggest complaint and have no problem waiting to unlock something but once ive unlocked the weapon. It needs more SP to work. We dont have the 2000 players planetside 2 has to cover the low skill players. With 48 players and double the size map, its going to be always a one on one Sp gear battle.

Its bad enough you have SVER in your name ha ha just kidding as a Raven player for over a year but please stop with the MMOFPS with 72 players and boarders. If this game didnt classify itself as a MMOFPS i think that would be amazing and awesome but not for a MMOFPS.

No two same weapons should shoot differently with range and damage without a attachment. I dont mind 20 different AR`s that shoot, look, feel ,and damage differently unlocked through seven years. Its very bad for a FPS in my opinion to have two people shooting with the same modules but one shooting at 500 ft 45dmg and the other shooting 250ft 30dmg. all because of SP no attachment like a rifled barrel and balance. IF you shoot farther than less impact happens when it hits the target type balance that is common in FPS games.

Also SP shouldn't make things lighter ,its the price you pay for using better guns. Im slowly finding out that i can make my AR`s like feathers with every upgrade to efficiency i want to say, You should need new suits to keep up with them or less modules.

For you the mass driver is just upgrading the mass driver but for someone that doesnt have its more like this . I know its not exact and this is why there is such QQ for SP

Circuits
Sensors
Engineering
Grenadier
Side Arm operation so you dont have two weapons that suck
Side Arm efficiency
Side Arm operation
Mass Driver Operation
Weaponry

Now we just got to buy the first entry level Mass driver thats garbage without these being lvl 3

Mass driver operation
Mass driver clip size
Mass driver reload
Mass driver efficiency
so on

Its just gets to the point of WT blank just allow me to get the ability to buy the weapon and have it work to its full potential and if I like it i will upgrade the other skills to get the next model.

See that's the problem you hate that customization that is what FPS players crave the most, its not just a COD thing its a FPS thing that this game truly fails to realize and might get bitten in the butt for . You can call it what you think it is but in till its open world and goes past 150 players like the definition of a MMOFPS its a FPS that is connected to a MMORPG. A string of matches connected to each other by points.

There is a reason why FPS games are designed the way they are , by telling them we are just doing the boring grind RPG progression your telling FPS players not just COD players we don't want you. When there is at least 6 FPS titles a year and more Free to play games popping up on the PC everyday CCP will drastically limit its Free to play game and cater to the wrong genre of players. Plus sony can say no to the PS4 if it feels it didnt make enough traction on the PS3.

Dude, this is customization for a beta. They will add grips, sights, attachments to each gun, you gotta give them time man.

I don't hate customization I LOVE IT. Ive played everything on PC and PS3/Xbox. I miss making my DCUO character with each individual item custom colored and made the way I want. I love in COD the adding of grips and new sights. But this is BETA, we will see all of that PLUS the skill customization of the weapon with SP's.

You want a weapon to be basic, once you own it its done except to add on sights (the reason we have iron sight now), grips, color and more. To you thats customizing it, to me thats adding to the gun. To customize a gun IMO is to make it shoot farther, the spread gets tighter, the accuracy gets better all of it done with SP's.

But to each their own I guess. Have to go, but good conversation.