DUST Search - FPS player retention, SP cap help or hurt?

DEADPOOL5241 wrote:

Crm234 wrote:

See that's the problem you hate that customization that is what FPS players crave the most, its not just a COD thing its a FPS thing that this game truly fails to realize and might get bitten in the butt for . You can call it what you think it is but in till its open world and goes past 150 players like the definition of a MMOFPS its a FPS that is connected to a MMORPG. A string of matches connected to each other by points.

There is a reason why FPS games are designed the way they are , by telling them we are just doing the boring grind RPG progression your telling FPS players not just COD players we don't want you. When there is at least 6 FPS titles a year and more Free to play games popping up on the PC everyday CCP will drastically limit its Free to play game and cater to the wrong genre of players. Plus sony can say no to the PS4 if it feels it didnt make enough traction on the PS3.

Dude, this is customization for a beta. They will add grips, sights, attachments to each gun, you gotta give them time man.

I don't hate customization I LOVE IT. Ive played everything on PC and PS3/Xbox. I miss making my DCUO character with each individual item custom colored and made the way I want. I love in COD the adding of grips and new sights. But this is BETA, we will see all of that PLUS the skill customization of the weapon with SP's.

You want a weapon to be basic, once you own it its done except to add on sights (the reason we have iron sight now), grips, color and more. To you thats customizing it, to me thats adding to the gun. To customize a gun IMO is to make it shoot farther, the spread gets tighter, the accuracy gets better all of it done with SP's.

But to each their own I guess. Have to go, but good conversation.


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Crm234 Wraith Shadow Guards 166	Posted - 2013.01.08 16:10:00 - [1] - Quote it just feels like the Eve progression of SP works great for open world environment , but not for match combat. You wouldn't mind the slow progression for things to work and having that guy on your team that has nothing working right if there was enough players to cover him. As of what were seeing now with 12 vs 12 cage fights that need everything working day one and everyone on the same page. The same effect will happen when moved to 48 because the map will be larger.
Crm234 Wraith Shadow Guards 166	Posted - 2013.01.08 16:17:00 - [2] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: The funny thing is you get 5 SP for every 1 second of Battle. This means that every minute of battle you can get 300 SP. Which means if you play a skirmish game of 30 minutes you get 9000 SP per game. 3 skirmishes and you have reached your cap. With the boosters thats your 40K daily SP there . Turn of the PS3 after that and go get some sunshine . What are you talking about ? I went 22/8 first in the leaderboards last night to get 7.5K and 160,000ISK not worth busting my butt at all and getting good gear thats 20 skirmish games you have to go 22/8 in to upgrade a 155K skill and 28 skirmish games at 22/8 for a 215k upgrade
Crm234 Wraith Shadow Guards 166	Posted - 2013.01.08 16:50:00 - [3] - Quote ok so one day i will get a decent return but 6 days will be pointless to play other than i like my corp mates. Also that doesnt address the ISK bs either ill stay in militia for 200,000isk a match thank you with high SP instead . Im just learning to tweak fits now but not seeing the reward to want to. Passive SP and boosters are killing this FPS , yea its cool to not have to play but it really screws the people that do play. With a game in beta stage that is so hell bent on having skills and gear matter to play , the reward has to be the same.
Crm234 Wraith Shadow Guards 166	Posted - 2013.01.08 17:08:00 - [4] - Quote DEADPOOL5241 wrote: Crm234 wrote: ok so one day i will get a decent return but 6 days will be pointless to play other than i like my corp mates. Also that doesnt address the ISK bs either ill stay in militia for 200,000isk a match thank you with high SP instead . Im just learning to tweak fits now but not seeing the reward to want to. Passive SP and boosters are killing this FPS , yea its cool to not have to play but it really screws the people that do play. With a game in beta stage that is so hell bent on having skills and gear matter to play , the reward has to be the same. ISK BS, we get tons and tons of ISK now. Wearing 300,000 ISK per loadout and still have 20 million sitting around. How are SP boosters killing this FPS? You do understand this is a FPS MMO right, lets say it once more MMO it takes forever to get skill points. We are not talking COD and a few weeks of playing, we are talking YEARS to get invested in this game. Its not a MMOFPS , it just likes to call itself one but thats another thread. I havent with no boosters gotten over 200,000 isk a match if i wore a 300,000 load out and went 22/8 i still lost. in a month i have stocked pile ISK as well just running milita fits to about 5mil now when im mid sp and still can get steamrolled in a match. a kill should give you your load out value to be able to keep running what you like and to improve upon without a Eve or Corp transfer. Yes they do because it screws up the standard to balance off of. have AUR give weapons and outfits, not mess with progression in such a heavy need to have SP in something to work right. Dont like COD and it makes people sound like they have no clue what their talking about when they run to COD all the time for a argument. No one saids Wow for any MMORPG reference
Crm234 Wraith Shadow Guards 166	Posted - 2013.01.08 18:25:00 - [5] - Quote 2 mil only in SP i didnt sit with passive on when i had finals for a month and had a fracture hand before that . its not a MMOFPS at all its a match base 48 player game with a closed environment. It doesnt matter if 100 games are happening its still just 48 players. Eve is the MMO not Dust and we both know the connection will not effect Eve. Also 300,000k isk is still bull when the load out can cost you maybe 150,000isk. if you died twice your losing money and SP makes the gear you buy work so it is unfair to progression. If this beta increases my reward to 15k SP a match that means your booster has to do about 25k to make the booster worth it.Allowing you to fly through SP steam rolling and the normal playerbase a good progression. The only thing that is MMO ish is the market but i dont see Eve pilots needing assault rifles , so we will mostly be selling to our own. Another fact is we like Eve but really dont need Eve, our MCC could do everything the Eve pilot can do and dont need Eve players to make items for us if we kept the market as is. This is Dust biggest mistake is not reading the definition of the game its making. MMOFPS is an online gaming genre which features a persistent world and a large number of simultaneous players in a first-person shooter fashion.[10][11] These games provide large-scale, sometimes team-based combat. The addition of persistence in the game world means that these games add elements typically found in RPGs, such as experience points.[citation needed] However, MMOFPS games emphasize player skill more than player statistics, as no number of in-game bonuses will compensate for a player's inability to aim and think tactically.[12] Neocron is sometimes considered the first MMOFPS,[12][13] most consider it a hybrid of MMORPG and first-person shooter,[14][15] with the later PlanetSide allowing 399 players all to fight together on the same map. Some may consider Zipper's MAG an MMOFPS as it allows up to 256 players to fight together on the same map.[16] The newest, and by far the biggest, MMOFPS to date PlanetSide 2, sequel to the original game. It is able to support up to 2,000 players in a single map, or continent of the game with a max cap of 6,000 players on a single server fighting across different continents.
Crm234 Wraith Shadow Guards 166	Posted - 2013.01.08 19:45:00 - [6] - Quote I meant there not truly needed and if we cut from Eve that were not we would be fine. Im going to try and type slower because two people have commented that im going broken english when i rapid reply. I understand the 7 year process and investment, but when you mess with damage & range on a FPS players weapon or Radar we get pissed. Especially when we see a SP system that charges you to make your weapon work sorta speak. Thats my biggest complaint and have no problem waiting to unlock something but once ive unlocked the weapon. It needs more SP to work. We dont have the 2000 players planetside 2 has to cover the low skill players. With 48 players and double the size map, its going to be always a one on one Sp gear battle.
Crm234 Wraith Shadow Guards 166	Posted - 2013.01.08 21:01:00 - [7] - Quote Its bad enough you have SVER in your name ha ha just kidding as a Raven player for over a year but please stop with the MMOFPS with 72 players and boarders. If this game didnt classify itself as a MMOFPS i think that would be amazing and awesome but not for a MMOFPS. No two same weapons should shoot differently with range and damage without a attachment. I dont mind 20 different AR`s that shoot, look, feel ,and damage differently unlocked through seven years. Its very bad for a FPS in my opinion to have two people shooting with the same modules but one shooting at 500 ft 45dmg and the other shooting 250ft 30dmg. all because of SP no attachment like a rifled barrel and balance. IF you shoot farther than less impact happens when it hits the target type balance that is common in FPS games. Also SP shouldn't make things lighter ,its the price you pay for using better guns. Im slowly finding out that i can make my AR`s like feathers with every upgrade to efficiency i want to say, You should need new suits to keep up with them or less modules. For you the mass driver is just upgrading the mass driver but for someone that doesnt have its more like this . I know its not exact and this is why there is such QQ for SP Circuits Sensors Engineering Grenadier Side Arm operation so you dont have two weapons that suck Side Arm efficiency Side Arm operation Mass Driver Operation Weaponry Now we just got to buy the first entry level Mass driver thats garbage without these being lvl 3 Mass driver operation Mass driver clip size Mass driver reload Mass driver efficiency so on Its just gets to the point of WT blank just allow me to get the ability to buy the weapon and have it work to its full potential and if I like it i will upgrade the other skills to get the next model. Where not all MMORPG players , that is not fun at all for us and such a huge turn off .
Crm234 Wraith Shadow Guards 166	Posted - 2013.01.08 21:30:00 - [8] - Quote See that's the problem you hate that customization that is what FPS players crave the most, its not just a COD thing its a FPS thing that this game truly fails to realize and might get bitten in the butt for . You can call it what you think it is but in till its open world and goes past 150 players like the definition of a MMOFPS its a FPS that is connected to a MMORPG. A string of matches connected to each other by points. There is a reason why FPS games are designed the way they are , by telling them we are just doing the boring grind RPG progression your telling FPS players not just COD players we don't want you. When there is at least 6 FPS titles a year and more Free to play games popping up on the PC everyday CCP will drastically limit its Free to play game and cater to the wrong genre of players. Plus sony can say no to the PS4 if it feels it didnt make enough traction on the PS3. Also Dust is not made yet, its in Beta. I swear everyone talks about Dust like its a finish product till you say lets release it.
Crm234 Wraith Shadow Guards 166	Posted - 2013.01.08 22:13:00 - [9] - Quote DEADPOOL5241 wrote: Crm234 wrote: See that's the problem you hate that customization that is what FPS players crave the most, its not just a COD thing its a FPS thing that this game truly fails to realize and might get bitten in the butt for . You can call it what you think it is but in till its open world and goes past 150 players like the definition of a MMOFPS its a FPS that is connected to a MMORPG. A string of matches connected to each other by points. There is a reason why FPS games are designed the way they are , by telling them we are just doing the boring grind RPG progression your telling FPS players not just COD players we don't want you. When there is at least 6 FPS titles a year and more Free to play games popping up on the PC everyday CCP will drastically limit its Free to play game and cater to the wrong genre of players. Plus sony can say no to the PS4 if it feels it didnt make enough traction on the PS3. Dude, this is customization for a beta. They will add grips, sights, attachments to each gun, you gotta give them time man. I don't hate customization I LOVE IT. Ive played everything on PC and PS3/Xbox. I miss making my DCUO character with each individual item custom colored and made the way I want. I love in COD the adding of grips and new sights. But this is BETA, we will see all of that PLUS the skill customization of the weapon with SP's. You want a weapon to be basic, once you own it its done except to add on sights (the reason we have iron sight now), grips, color and more. To you thats customizing it, to me thats adding to the gun. To customize a gun IMO is to make it shoot farther, the spread gets tighter, the accuracy gets better all of it done with SP's. But to each their own I guess. Have to go, but good conversation. Outside RPG fantasy land that makes no sense and im happy for all the customization and waiting for that . A gun just doesnt start firing farther cause you hold it. I have no problem with modules and equipment editing the gun to do so but you want it all cool sights and unbalance characters that really go against the FPS genre.This beta gets no where because it keeps trying to balance players being demi gods that is impossible. Guns and gear can be tweak and balanced skills cant.Since its not a open world you will either have to wait a long time for a match or lower player counts to keep games beginning at a good pace. This will turn away the larger player count FPS players who are looking for the next big player match.