I think what you're more looking for is survivability of the suit itself (or maybe that's just me, idk, i'm not a doctor). I can do plenty of damage with just a basic advanced HMG.

This right here.

To me it feels like Heavies do not have good survivability for their price tag.

Right now, i feel like heavies are ok. The high end heavies probably need more slots and pg/cpu to justify their cost.

Haven't reached these expensive suits but type-II is working just fine

Always has, the proto suit is the gimpy one.

Just give us one more low slot, this is all we ask.

sorry totally disagree with this thread

i seen a friend run an entire skirmish in his heavy suit and he went 50-5 he had logi support so he didnt lose the suit hence no isk lose

heavies solo anihilating everyone no this is unbalanced

they should lose and do lose to assault and scouts if they are good

So a heavy with a pocket logi should not be able to get kills or stay alive?

If a heavy is supposed to be as slow give us are damage back,that way we can stop someone running up on us.

I cant count how many people run at me and get inside my arc.
But people say they are to strong, bull you shouldn't run head on at a heavy ever not even if yoir a heavy.

Are you referring to Heavy militia? Pair with a logibro and you guys are unstoppable.

Oh please!!

Bong, bong! two shots dead! from shotgun since too slow to turn around and see whos behind logibro and heavy dead.
ZRRRRRRMMMM! dead! laser rifle since too slow to get out of the way.
Boom! militia grenade spam.....dead!! since too slow.

Hideing around a corner gets kills but then so does a cheap militia scout suit with a militia shotgun.

The heavy is too fragile and too expensive.
Not spending anymore skillpoints in that area.
All skillpoints are going for scout/shotgun since its far better sp wise and cost benefit ratio wise.

Next build the only reason for heavy is a militia forge gun that takes zip!! for skillpoints.

Here is somethings I have noticed, if you suck at AR you go either laser or mass driver. And if you suck at both of those or dislike them you go heavy or logi. I have no problem with people using heavies last build(except for murder taxis! How can that fat suit get in and out so fast??? Lies!!!), but this build my AR is a joke to heavies.

-.- everything has weakness and advantages you might as well just say if it bleeds you can kill it right, then give me back my AR. Ohh no it was "OP"(overly popular)

Again WTF?

Whats wrong with the ARs except for giving the Breach a buff?

I'm starting to lose my respect for you guys. There is a lot of crying coming from you especially considered how good most of you are. Do you have problems with handling the recoil? Many of us actually do better after the AR nerf since most people can't aim properly.

What don't you people understand, I do NOT NEED YOUR RESPECT. Try the hmg and tell me why it's kick is less than an AR, same with the smg? If they are going for a realistic sci fi fps then other guns need to get more kick. What's wrong with ARs and every other weapon is there is no signifigant difference between standard and proto. Look at stats alone all my ratios have gone up. I'm just pointing real flaws with the game as is

In regards as to why AR has less recoil than AR...

It has a tremendous rate of fire, and is mean to just "spray" bullets. It has less recoil, but considerably more RBS than the AR. You shoot your AR at a stationary target, and most of the rounds hit with decent accuracy.
You shoot your HMG at same stationary target, and a considerable number of rounds hit AROUND the target. The reduced recoil seems to be there to balance the inherent reduce accuracy of HMG.

True. Not noticeable at closer ranges, since most rounds will hit, but at longer ranges, you're lucky if half your rounds hit.

True. Not noticeable at closer ranges, since most rounds will hit, but at longer ranges, you're lucky if half your rounds hit.

Miss the point, how can a multi barrel AR shot smother a single AR?

Crouch at safe spot and use doom mode for high accuracy, truly lethal with the freedom HMG.

Haven't used the freedom, so I'll take your word for it.

Zitro, The HMG uses a centrifugal force outward muzzle break. The barrel spins at aprox 11,000 RPMs allowing the HMG to create massive frictional heat which is vented through the muzzle break, to allow for equal amounts of centrifugal force to counter the centripetal force created by the rounds.
Very complex futuristic stuff.

What don't you people understand, I do NOT NEED YOUR RESPECT. Try the hmg and tell me why it's kick is less than an AR, same with the smg? If they are going for a realistic sci fi fps then other guns need to get more kick. What's wrong with ARs and every other weapon is there is no signifigant difference between standard and proto. Look at stats alone all my ratios have gone up. I'm just pointing real flaws with the game as is

I think heavys are right were they should be in all reguards, it all seems reasonable and the drawbacks keep the class balenced. my only complant is the price on the proto suits, they are rediculas for what you get out of it. even froping it 50k would be a significant and reasonable

You know, I would just like to have an equipment slot so I can carry some nanohives.

I think heavys are right were they should be in all reguards, it all seems reasonable and the drawbacks keep the class balenced. my only complant is the price on the proto suits, they are rediculas for what you get out of it. even froping it 50k would be a significant and reasonable

You know, I would just like to have an equipment slot so I can carry some nanohives.

Lol. Give fatties the ability to drop a repping nanohive in a defensible position and the QQ would flood the northern hemisphere.

They don't have to be repping nanos. I'm pretty sure CCP can put in code that Heavies could only use standard nanohives. Cause sometimes, ammo would be nice when there isn't anyone around.

What don't you people understand, I do NOT NEED YOUR RESPECT. Try the hmg and tell me why it's kick is less than an AR, same with the smg? If they are going for a realistic sci fi fps then other guns need to get more kick. What's wrong with ARs and every other weapon is there is no signifigant difference between standard and proto. Look at stats alone all my ratios have gone up. I'm just pointing real flaws with the game as is

Meh I dont agree. The difference between an Exile and a Duvolle is very noticable, especially at range. The difference in accuracy pluss damage combined definately has an impact.

And why would I wield a HMG at the cost of not carrying equipment, having twice the hitboks and running at assault walking speed? The best heavies in this game all use ARs to my knowledge.

Who? The ones I think of all use HMG (Example Core, HowDidThatTaste) - basically I'm the only AR heavy I know.

Just started using my new heavy fit, but ended up getting team killed every time or blown up by explosives. Price seems kind of high, even more so with the amount of Aurum I put into them (blame CCP for low SP gain).

Jack Boost is maybe the best AR heavy, but Exmaple and Taste are both better than him, so Babar's point still isn't true.

Every heavy i've ever seen and shot at has taken 48 rounds to the chest with my geck assault rifle and only lost their shield, dare it say it... heavies need to be nerfed badly.

proof: I can take out an LAV with my gun easier than I can a heavy with my gun and 2 grenades and squad mate behind me,

I'm surprised no one jumped at a chance to say how bad this guy is. He's saying he can kill an LAV easier with his gun then he can against a heavy with nades and squad mates thrown in.

I had no idea his corp was that awful. Or maybe the trolling is suppose to be so obvious no one had to comment?

I'm so confused right now.

You know, I would just like to have. equipment slot so I can carry some nanohives.

You dont run heavy a lot do you?

Experienced heavy question. realistic outcome of being caught in the open by three assault? If heavies are OP they should easily lay waste.

Any post that assumes the assaults run at the HMG like lemmings shall be disregarded and mocked without mercy or remorse.

The assumption shall be the assaults are not morons.

Personally the 1 tweak I would make is that if it isnt a 'HEAVY' weapon, then you can't put it on your 'HEAVY' suit. I mean I cant put a HMG on a scout suit.. why should you be allowed to put a laser or sniper on a heavy suit?

but thats more of personal opinion than anything

This I agree with, 100%

Why? that just limits play style

Because you need limiting.

And I'm an AR Heavy - I feel terrible for HMG users. They get there pwnage in there proper spots - but everywhere else is just them waiting for death.

HMG heavy > AR heavy.

no equipment slot, done.

even 2 v 1 out in the open should go assaults way (if they are good). You want a heavy suit to be an end all - be all mode that can take out squads of people not only in CQC but out in the open as well?

Heavies are situational, much like just about every gun\class in this game (outside the AR Assault). They are great for locking down small areas, and supporting your mates (if you can keep up)... Others have found ways to counter their movement and range deficiencies... Call in a souped up LAV to play hop'in'pop.

Heavies are fabulous, and i thoroughly enjoy the dedicated Heavies we have in our corp.

The HOP N POP

It is now the official term!

Every heavy i've ever seen and shot at has taken 48 rounds to the chest with my geck assault rifle and only lost their shield, dare it say it... heavies need to be nerfed badly.

proof: I can take out an LAV with my gun easier than I can a heavy with my gun and 2 grenades and squad mate behind me,

I call BS on this.