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Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2013.01.06 11:28:00 -
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You dont run heavy a lot do you?
Experienced heavy question. realistic outcome of being caught in the open by three assault? If heavies are OP they should easily lay waste.
Any post that assumes the assaults run at the HMG like lemmings shall be disregarded and mocked without mercy or remorse.
The assumption shall be the assaults are not morons. |
new hulk
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.01.07 18:49:00 -
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The hmg has been damage nerfed 3 times that i know of assault once you should not run at a heavie sorry would you charge a mg nest no |
Jotun Hiem
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
411
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Posted - 2013.01.07 18:53:00 -
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The only balance problem I have with heavies at the moment is that the Proto suits really don't seem worth the 200k investment. |
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers
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Posted - 2013.01.07 19:47:00 -
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Every role has its positives and negatives. Pretty much everything has been covered here, INCLUDING Zitro being a self-proclaimed heavy expert and whining in a thread about HMG users over his nerfed AR.. as he does in damn near EVERY thread ive seen him respond in...making us all just a little bit dumber than before we had to read his pre-pubescent rants about whatever he's blabbing on about that day...
Zitro here's a penny now go make me a SaMMicH and go cry to Dr. Phil about why your 'heavy-flo' tampon just doesnt do the job
now on topic:
HMG is a walking tank (+)
HMG is slower than Zitro cleaning up after his dog FiFi in the park while tryin to converse with sailors named Stu (-)
HMG rarely overheats when the player uses their SP properly (+)
HMG takes 8 SECONDS to reload (max out heavy reload and the 1mil+ SP.. goes down to 6 SECONDS) (-)
HMG smashes almost everything in its path (+)
HMG gets smashed by lasers at distance, and anyone stacking 3-4 damage mods, mass driver scrubs, and the ever agitating shotgun (not really a minus as this is a primary focus of the balance between HMG and other classes, but nonetheless fact)
HMG are great Woody Harrelson impersonators... White Men Can't Jump (-)
HMG can get over 1000HP (+) ...at the cost of becoming slower than the time it takes for Zitro to create a coherent and meaningful response to any real discussions about this game and providing constructive feedback rather than taking a casting call for the mountain troll in the Hobbit (-)
To be considered 'OP' the cost is roughly TWICE that of any other class (-)
SP of the skills that separate the strong HMG from the 2bit scrub that has nothing better to do than get a heavy suit and softspot people with a laser rifle cost more than any other class, so they SHOULD be stronger once SP invested (+)
bottom line all classes could use tweaks and whatnot, but when considering the good with the bad, the HMG is pretty solid.. although a BPO weapon would be nice considering EVERYthing else has 1...
Personally the 1 tweak I would make is that if it isnt a 'HEAVY' weapon, then you can't put it on your 'HEAVY' suit. I mean I cant put a HMG on a scout suit.. why should you be allowed to put a laser or sniper on a heavy suit?
but thats more of personal opinion than anything
at least with a HMG you are killing or getting killed straight up... not deploying ***** tactics standing on the tabletop or up in the rafters spamming noob tubes all over, or getting blindsided by the guy that was SUPPOSED to be the DD but someone gave him the keys to the car anyway...
but thats another topic altogether  |
fahrenheitM
Pro Hic Immortalis
RISE of LEGION
212
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Posted - 2013.01.07 20:05:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:You dont run heavy a lot do you?
Experienced heavy question. realistic outcome of being caught in the open by three assault? If heavies are OP they should easily lay waste.
Any post that assumes the assaults run at the HMG like lemmings shall be disregarded and mocked without mercy or remorse.
The assumption shall be the assaults are not morons.
even 2 v 1 out in the open should go assaults way (if they are good). You want a heavy suit to be an end all - be all mode that can take out squads of people not only in CQC but out in the open as well?
Heavies are situational, much like just about every gun\class in this game (outside the AR Assault). They are great for locking down small areas, and supporting your mates (if you can keep up)... Others have found ways to counter their movement and range deficiencies... Call in a souped up LAV to play hop'in'pop.
Heavies are fabulous, and i thoroughly enjoy the dedicated Heavies we have in our corp. |
fahrenheitM
Pro Hic Immortalis
RISE of LEGION
212
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Posted - 2013.01.07 20:08:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:
Personally the 1 tweak I would make is that if it isnt a 'HEAVY' weapon, then you can't put it on your 'HEAVY' suit. I mean I cant put a HMG on a scout suit.. why should you be allowed to put a laser or sniper on a heavy suit?
but thats more of personal opinion than anything
This I agree with, 100% |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
2046
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Posted - 2013.01.07 20:10:00 -
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I love my fat suit, when I want to take it easy from the concentration of sniping I pull out my HMG and mow down everybody 
btw is anyone looking for a job |
Sleepy Zan
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Posted - 2013.01.07 20:11:00 -
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fahrenheitM wrote:CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:
Personally the 1 tweak I would make is that if it isnt a 'HEAVY' weapon, then you can't put it on your 'HEAVY' suit. I mean I cant put a HMG on a scout suit.. why should you be allowed to put a laser or sniper on a heavy suit?
but thats more of personal opinion than anything
This I agree with, 100%
Why? that just limits play style  |
fahrenheitM
Pro Hic Immortalis
RISE of LEGION
212
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Posted - 2013.01.07 20:18:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:fahrenheitM wrote:CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:
Personally the 1 tweak I would make is that if it isnt a 'HEAVY' weapon, then you can't put it on your 'HEAVY' suit. I mean I cant put a HMG on a scout suit.. why should you be allowed to put a laser or sniper on a heavy suit?
but thats more of personal opinion than anything
This I agree with, 100% Why? that just limits play style
Because you need limiting. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error.
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Posted - 2013.01.07 20:19:00 -
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fahrenheitM wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:fahrenheitM wrote:CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:
Personally the 1 tweak I would make is that if it isnt a 'HEAVY' weapon, then you can't put it on your 'HEAVY' suit. I mean I cant put a HMG on a scout suit.. why should you be allowed to put a laser or sniper on a heavy suit?
but thats more of personal opinion than anything
This I agree with, 100% Why? that just limits play style Because you need limiting.
no equipment slot, done. |
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fahrenheitM
Pro Hic Immortalis
RISE of LEGION
212
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Posted - 2013.01.07 20:34:00 -
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There really needs to be more variations of Heavy guns.
I still wanna see the heavy shot gun.
Basically 2 shotguns, one on each arm.
Melta gun (idea stolen from warhammer 40k)... short range gun similar to the forge... very high damage with a little bit 'o splash, single shot but no charge up. Can be used against vehicles for moderate effect (more damage to armor than shield). This is used to counter other heavy infantry etc that is armor specced (such as other heavies).
a slower firing Mass Driver variant that is intended for AOE damage... greater area of effect, less direct damage.
Also, give the heavy other specialty modules, such as a Passive scan radius. Provides a close quarters "radar sweep" that is projected for friendly squad members.
In the end we just need more variations. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error.
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Posted - 2013.01.07 21:19:00 -
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Those of us who are of heavy dedicated build - take a look back at some of the threads discussing heavies. Notice the two things in common: One - Everyone thinks we want to be OP rather then not wanting to be walking ISK dump trucks. Instead of us asking to be able to afford and be more then just HMG/AV - people think we want to be do alls.
Second: People can't agree on themselves. Half are saying "Heavy? Pfft - no problem." The other half is saying, "I see one and walk the other way - way OP."
Peoples biased ability to handle the ISK waste known as the heavy has lead to some very un-constructive posts relating one situation to there entire argument. Or comments on how situational the heavy should always be. Then why the hell is assault the do all at half the cost? "It doesn't AV as well." I had to put over a million SP down to be a half way effective AV at a very high cost. Assaults have it so easy it makes me cringe everytime I see some ******** post on these threads arguing how OP heavies are.
Put one on - give it a go. You'll love dodging LAV's (From both sides), Lasers who can turn there gun faster then you can get out of the way, turrets that bring you down in either one shot or just plain quick as hell - and this is there auto fire. MD's that know you can't out run them and they don't even need to try - snipers who know you'll never close that gap - or tanks who laugh as your the only AV on your team - fighting for survival rather then trying to bring down a tank. All the while you'll look at your piggy bank and realize that militia grade heavies are fodder and running anything above type-II will break your bank eventually.
And I'm an AR Heavy - I feel terrible for HMG users. They get there pwnage in there proper spots - but everywhere else is just them waiting for death. |
Bendtner92
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.01.07 21:24:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:And I'm an AR Heavy - I feel terrible for HMG users. They get there pwnage in there proper spots - but everywhere else is just them waiting for death.
HMG heavy > AR heavy.
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SoTa PoP
Internal Error.
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Posted - 2013.01.07 21:27:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:And I'm an AR Heavy - I feel terrible for HMG users. They get there pwnage in there proper spots - but everywhere else is just them waiting for death. HMG heavy > AR heavy.
lol not really. To the heavies who put all there SP down to make there HMG meat grinders - I seem to be the best counter lol
Gotta love there big hit box sometimes :) |
fahrenheitM
Pro Hic Immortalis
RISE of LEGION
212
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Posted - 2013.01.07 21:27:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:fahrenheitM wrote:
Because you need limiting.
no equipment slot, done.
I was talking about you specifically, not the Heavy. |
HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
2242
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Posted - 2013.01.07 22:36:00 -
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fahrenheit wrote:
even 2 v 1 out in the open should go assaults way (if they are good). You want a heavy suit to be an end all - be all mode that can take out squads of people not only in CQC but out in the open as well?
Heavies are situational, much like just about every gun\class in this game (outside the AR Assault). They are great for locking down small areas, and supporting your mates (if you can keep up)... Others have found ways to counter their movement and range deficiencies... Call in a souped up LAV to play hop'in'pop.
Heavies are fabulous, and i thoroughly enjoy the dedicated Heavies we have in our corp.
The HOP N POP
It is now the official term! |
The Polish Hammer
Doomheim
373
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Posted - 2013.01.08 01:23:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:fahrenheit wrote:
even 2 v 1 out in the open should go assaults way (if they are good). You want a heavy suit to be an end all - be all mode that can take out squads of people not only in CQC but out in the open as well?
Heavies are situational, much like just about every gun\class in this game (outside the AR Assault). They are great for locking down small areas, and supporting your mates (if you can keep up)... Others have found ways to counter their movement and range deficiencies... Call in a souped up LAV to play hop'in'pop.
Heavies are fabulous, and i thoroughly enjoy the dedicated Heavies we have in our corp.
The HOP N POP It is now the official term!
Your hop n pop, sir, is FLAWLESS....
and makes me rage   |
KripnawtiQ Prime
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
206
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Posted - 2013.01.08 04:28:00 -
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Olav Grey-Mane wrote:Every heavy i've ever seen and shot at has taken 48 rounds to the chest with my geck assault rifle and only lost their shield, dare it say it... heavies need to be nerfed badly.
proof: I can take out an LAV with my gun easier than I can a heavy with my gun and 2 grenades and squad mate behind me,
I call BS on this. |
Tectonious Falcon
The Southern Legion
395
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Posted - 2013.01.08 04:57:00 -
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KripnawtiQ Prime wrote:Olav Grey-Mane wrote:Every heavy i've ever seen and shot at has taken 48 rounds to the chest with my geck assault rifle and only lost their shield, dare it say it... heavies need to be nerfed badly.
proof: I can take out an LAV with my gun easier than I can a heavy with my gun and 2 grenades and squad mate behind me, I call BS on this.
Yeah that's complete and utter BS and he knows it. People should stop exaggerating things just so they can have their easy mode nerfs. |
Khal V'Rani
Nephilim Initiative
90
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Posted - 2013.01.08 05:35:00 -
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I've downed lower tier heavies with a Toxin by myself. I can't do that to a LAV at all. I've tried.
Lies and bs. Lies and bs everywhere... |
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