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KingBabar wrote:

Mr Zitro wrote:

KingBabar wrote:

Mr Zitro wrote:

-.- everything has weakness and advantages you might as well just say if it bleeds you can kill it right, then give me back my AR. Ohh no it was "OP"(overly popular)

Again WTF?

Whats wrong with the ARs except for giving the Breach a buff?

I'm starting to lose my respect for you guys. There is a lot of crying coming from you especially considered how good most of you are. Do you have problems with handling the recoil? Many of us actually do better after the AR nerf since most people can't aim properly.

What don't you people understand, I do NOT NEED YOUR RESPECT. Try the hmg and tell me why it's kick is less than an AR, same with the smg? If they are going for a realistic sci fi fps then other guns need to get more kick. What's wrong with ARs and every other weapon is there is no signifigant difference between standard and proto. Look at stats alone all my ratios have gone up. I'm just pointing real flaws with the game as is

Meh I dont agree. The difference between an Exile and a Duvolle is very noticable, especially at range. The difference in accuracy pluss damage combined definately has an impact.

And why would I wield a HMG at the cost of not carrying equipment, having twice the hitboks and running at assault walking speed? The best heavies in this game all use ARs to my knowledge.

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Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 169	Posted - 2013.01.04 22:25:00 - [31] - Quote Fargen Icehole wrote: True. Not noticeable at closer ranges, since most rounds will hit, but at longer ranges, you're lucky if half your rounds hit. Mr Zitro wrote: Miss the point, how can a multi barrel AR shot smother a single AR? Crouch at safe spot and use doom mode for high accuracy, truly lethal with the freedom HMG.
Fargen Icehole SyNergy Gaming 67	Posted - 2013.01.04 23:45:00 - [32] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: Fargen Icehole wrote: True. Not noticeable at closer ranges, since most rounds will hit, but at longer ranges, you're lucky if half your rounds hit. Mr Zitro wrote: Miss the point, how can a multi barrel AR shot smother a single AR? Crouch at safe spot and use doom mode for high accuracy, truly lethal with the freedom HMG. Haven't used the freedom, so I'll take your word for it. Zitro, The HMG uses a centrifugal force outward muzzle break. The barrel spins at aprox 11,000 RPMs allowing the HMG to create massive frictional heat which is vented through the muzzle break, to allow for equal amounts of centrifugal force to counter the centripetal force created by the rounds. Very complex futuristic stuff.
Mr Zitro Imperfects Negative-Feedback 417	Posted - 2013.01.04 23:48:00 - [33] - Quote No , basically CCP is saying that heavies= dogs and CCP=Michael Vick! They want more dog fights
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2013.01.05 00:11:00 - [34] - Quote Fargen Icehole wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: Fargen Icehole wrote: True. Not noticeable at closer ranges, since most rounds will hit, but at longer ranges, you're lucky if half your rounds hit. Mr Zitro wrote: Miss the point, how can a multi barrel AR shot smother a single AR? Crouch at safe spot and use doom mode for high accuracy, truly lethal with the freedom HMG. Haven't used the freedom, so I'll take your word for it. Zitro, The HMG uses a centrifugal force outward muzzle break. The barrel spins at aprox 11,000 RPMs allowing the HMG to create massive frictional heat which is vented through the muzzle break, to allow for equal amounts of centrifugal force to counter the centripetal force created by the rounds. Very complex futuristic stuff. Simple explanation: "The faster it spins the more stable it is" Take a coin and set it on edge and notice that it falls down but add some spin and the coin stays upright and say theres some "futuristic tech" that folks knew about at the time of the Roman Empire.....bah! since they had coins and lots of wine and more importantly women at parties since it does not let me say kitten parties.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2013.01.05 00:32:00 - [35] - Quote Mr Zitro wrote: KingBabar wrote: Mr Zitro wrote: -.- everything has weakness and advantages you might as well just say if it bleeds you can kill it right, then give me back my AR. Ohh no it was "OP"(overly popular) Again WTF? Whats wrong with the ARs except for giving the Breach a buff? I'm starting to lose my respect for you guys. There is a lot of crying coming from you especially considered how good most of you are. Do you have problems with handling the recoil? Many of us actually do better after the AR nerf since most people can't aim properly. What don't you people understand, I do NOT NEED YOUR RESPECT. Try the hmg and tell me why it's kick is less than an AR, same with the smg? If they are going for a realistic sci fi fps then other guns need to get more kick. What's wrong with ARs and every other weapon is there is no signifigant difference between standard and proto. Look at stats alone all my ratios have gone up. I'm just pointing real flaws with the game as is In school right?? Do you really need an explanation on why a spinning coin is more stable than a non spinning coin in the same way that a spinning top is more stable than a non spinning top.?? And this system HMG or rotational multibarrel versus a weapon platform that has a non rotational barrel and that gets more unstable the faster it fires. Its called Newtons Laws. The particular force is called Centrifugal Force. It works for HMG up to a certain bullet diameter but every system has a limit. Or did you ask about why an SMG with a smaller diameter bullet is more stable than an AR with a larger diameter bullet?? Assasins,Pros Ex Stasi, Speznaz, etc..folks with real trigger time and skills prefer a small .22 bullet since when doing a Mechanic contract for a very long range kill the small diameter bullet is more flight stable than a larger diameter bullet.
Hollow M Ling Doomheim 30	Posted - 2013.01.05 02:49:00 - [36] - Quote I think the problem is that armor isn't giving the protection it should have.
KripnawtiQ Prime L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 206	Posted - 2013.01.05 03:28:00 - [37] - Quote Those of you that feel the heavy class is OP, what would you suggest should be done to balance it? It has the slowest movement speed, the most expensive skill books outside of vehicles, the largest scan signature, the least number of module slots while being the most expensive drop suit and no low level BPO and no equipment slot. The HMG has a high ROF but the lowest DPS of any weapon in the game as well as being expensive. Dropsuits have a lot of HP but they also have a price tag to match. So what really is the answer? Increase the scan profile? Reduce movement speed? Lower the HP? Take the HMG out of the game?
Exmaple Core UnReaL. 135	Posted - 2013.01.05 04:41:00 - [38] - Quote I think heavys are right were they should be in all reguards, it all seems reasonable and the drawbacks keep the class balenced. my only complant is the price on the proto suits, they are rediculas for what you get out of it. even froping it 50k would be a significant and reasonable
EternalRMG ZionTCD Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2013.01.05 04:50:00 - [39] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: I think heavys are right were they should be in all reguards, it all seems reasonable and the drawbacks keep the class balenced. my only complant is the price on the proto suits, they are rediculas for what you get out of it. even froping it 50k would be a significant and reasonable dude..... you own everygame ive played with you with your heavy and your broadside HMG that has an insane range i think it is a little bit op ; you can counter it (any heavy not just you) with lasers but then everybody screams OP OP OP when you nedd sharpshooter maxed out to have enough range not to be killed by the response from any decent HMG ( i admire how you have the best suit there is, with an insane shield regen)
Flagratus ZionTCD Legacy Rising 69	Posted - 2013.01.05 04:51:00 - [40] - Quote You know, I would just like to have an equipment slot so I can carry some nanohives.

KripnawtiQ Prime L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 206	Posted - 2013.01.05 05:19:00 - [41] - Quote Flagratus wrote: You know, I would just like to have an equipment slot so I can carry some nanohives. Lol. Give fatties the ability to drop a repping nanohive in a defensible position and the QQ would flood the northern hemisphere.
KripnawtiQ Prime L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 206	Posted - 2013.01.05 05:24:00 - [42] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: I think heavys are right were they should be in all reguards, it all seems reasonable and the drawbacks keep the class balenced. my only complant is the price on the proto suits, they are rediculas for what you get out of it. even froping it 50k would be a significant and reasonable I agree maple. Every strength the class has carries a drawback. As far as the cost of the VK1 goes, id like to see a reduction as well. But right now its the only thing keeping heavies from running proto gear all day long. I don't think any class should have proto gear affordable enough to be an option for every match.
EternalRMG ZionTCD Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2013.01.05 05:25:00 - [43] - Quote Flagratus wrote: You know, I would just like to have an equipment slot so I can carry some nanohives. naaa it would make it a walking tank who can replish and rpair himself, like a fusion between a heavy and an assault
Flagratus ZionTCD Legacy Rising 69	Posted - 2013.01.05 05:38:00 - [44] - Quote KripnawtiQ Prime wrote: Flagratus wrote: You know, I would just like to have an equipment slot so I can carry some nanohives. Lol. Give fatties the ability to drop a repping nanohive in a defensible position and the QQ would flood the northern hemisphere. They don't have to be repping nanos. I'm pretty sure CCP can put in code that Heavies could only use standard nanohives. Cause sometimes, ammo would be nice when there isn't anyone around.
EternalRMG ZionTCD Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2013.01.05 05:47:00 - [45] - Quote Flagratus wrote: They don't have to be repping nanos. I'm pretty sure CCP can put in code that Heavies could only use standard nanohives. Cause sometimes, ammo would be nice when there isn't anyone around. this would make heavies more OP what makes Heavies kinda lesser is the need of a logi or a support unit near them to stay alive (because they run out of ammo really fast) and you can just run to a Supply Depot
Flagratus ZionTCD Legacy Rising 69	Posted - 2013.01.05 09:15:00 - [46] - Quote Fine. Just give me a singing bass I can throw at my enemies.
Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2013.01.05 09:37:00 - [47] - Quote I'm a decent assault AR guy and the only thing that gives me more trouble then an equally good AR guy is a HMG, I've used the suits and tried the HMG and it felt like playing the game on easy mode, the only reason I don't favour it over my assault suit is I don't like being slow, if you can't pwn people with a HMG your doing it wrong, and as for omg shotgun pwns me, it bloody owns everything if it gets behind you point blank, you'd live a lot longer then my type II does.
KingBabar Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 441	Posted - 2013.01.05 09:59:00 - [48] - Quote Mr Zitro wrote: KingBabar wrote: Mr Zitro wrote: -.- everything has weakness and advantages you might as well just say if it bleeds you can kill it right, then give me back my AR. Ohh no it was "OP"(overly popular) Again WTF? Whats wrong with the ARs except for giving the Breach a buff? I'm starting to lose my respect for you guys. There is a lot of crying coming from you especially considered how good most of you are. Do you have problems with handling the recoil? Many of us actually do better after the AR nerf since most people can't aim properly. What don't you people understand, I do NOT NEED YOUR RESPECT. Try the hmg and tell me why it's kick is less than an AR, same with the smg? If they are going for a realistic sci fi fps then other guns need to get more kick. What's wrong with ARs and every other weapon is there is no signifigant difference between standard and proto. Look at stats alone all my ratios have gone up. I'm just pointing real flaws with the game as is Meh I dont agree. The difference between an Exile and a Duvolle is very noticable, especially at range. The difference in accuracy pluss damage combined definately has an impact. And why would I wield a HMG at the cost of not carrying equipment, having twice the hitboks and running at assault walking speed? The best heavies in this game all use ARs to my knowledge.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.01.05 10:05:00 - [49] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Mr Zitro wrote: KingBabar wrote: Mr Zitro wrote: -.- everything has weakness and advantages you might as well just say if it bleeds you can kill it right, then give me back my AR. Ohh no it was "OP"(overly popular) Again WTF? Whats wrong with the ARs except for giving the Breach a buff? I'm starting to lose my respect for you guys. There is a lot of crying coming from you especially considered how good most of you are. Do you have problems with handling the recoil? Many of us actually do better after the AR nerf since most people can't aim properly. What don't you people understand, I do NOT NEED YOUR RESPECT. Try the hmg and tell me why it's kick is less than an AR, same with the smg? If they are going for a realistic sci fi fps then other guns need to get more kick. What's wrong with ARs and every other weapon is there is no signifigant difference between standard and proto. Look at stats alone all my ratios have gone up. I'm just pointing real flaws with the game as is Meh I dont agree. The difference between an Exile and a Duvolle is very noticable, especially at range. The difference in accuracy pluss damage combined definately has an impact. And why would I wield a HMG at the cost of not carrying equipment, having twice the hitboks and running at assault walking speed? The best heavies in this game all use ARs to my knowledge. Who? The ones I think of all use HMG (Example Core, HowDidThatTaste) - basically I'm the only AR heavy I know.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 369	Posted - 2013.01.05 10:09:00 - [50] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: KingBabar wrote: Meh I dont agree. The difference between an Exile and a Duvolle is very noticable, especially at range. The difference in accuracy pluss damage combined definately has an impact. And why would I wield a HMG at the cost of not carrying equipment, having twice the hitboks and running at assault walking speed? The best heavies in this game all use ARs to my knowledge. Who? The ones I think of all use HMG (Example Core, HowDidThatTaste) - basically I'm the only AR heavy I know. Jack Boost is maybe the best AR heavy, but Exmaple and Taste are both better than him, so Babar's point still isn't true.

SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.01.05 10:17:00 - [51] - Quote If the argument is wether or not proto AR is worth it - nope. It's a dumb choice - better to throw a complex mod to enhance exile and use everything else for survivability. You'll end up using a bit more CPU I believe but at a lesser cost and 1 slot loss for nearly the same exact results. Nerfing the proto weapons was great for nubs lol anyone with the proper skills can make assault suits very very cost effective and good enough to face much higher tiered enemies. Really hope they plan on fixing that when we get our first build during beta at least.
Big Popa Smurff Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 104	Posted - 2013.01.05 14:34:00 - [52] - Quote To be honest i think heavy's could do with a slight nerf to the HMG heat build up, it really should not be able to emptey nearly a whole clip before it over heats, with regards to the proto heavy's, the only one iv seen was Regnum, i havnt seen anyone else use them. Nobody wants them, not worth the SP let alone the ISK.
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 169	Posted - 2013.01.05 15:36:00 - [53] - Quote Just started using my new heavy fit, but ended up getting team killed every time or blown up by explosives. Price seems kind of high, even more so with the amount of Aurum I put into them (blame CCP for low SP gain).
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.01.05 18:06:00 - [54] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: Just started using my new heavy fit, but ended up getting team killed every time or blown up by explosives. Price seems kind of high, even more so with the amount of Aurum I put into them (blame CCP for low SP gain). Good fourth of my matches when I solo are me dodging blueberry LAV's lol
KryptixX Imperfects Negative-Feedback 320	Posted - 2013.01.05 18:18:00 - [55] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: KingBabar wrote: Meh I dont agree. The difference between an Exile and a Duvolle is very noticable, especially at range. The difference in accuracy pluss damage combined definately has an impact. And why would I wield a HMG at the cost of not carrying equipment, having twice the hitboks and running at assault walking speed? The best heavies in this game all use ARs to my knowledge. Who? The ones I think of all use HMG (Example Core, HowDidThatTaste) - basically I'm the only AR heavy I know. Jack Boost is maybe the best AR heavy, but Exmaple and Taste are both better than him, so Babar's point still isn't true. AR Heavies are so last build.
Olav Grey-Mane The Exemplars 56	Posted - 2013.01.06 02:38:00 - [56] - Quote Every heavy i've ever seen and shot at has taken 48 rounds to the chest with my geck assault rifle and only lost their shield, dare it say it... heavies need to be nerfed badly. proof: I can take out an LAV with my gun easier than I can a heavy with my gun and 2 grenades and squad mate behind me,
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.01.06 05:59:00 - [57] - Quote Olav Grey-Mane wrote: Every heavy i've ever seen and shot at has taken 48 rounds to the chest with my geck assault rifle and only lost their shield, dare it say it... heavies need to be nerfed badly. proof: I can take out an LAV with my gun easier than I can a heavy with my gun and 2 grenades and squad mate behind me, I'm surprised no one jumped at a chance to say how bad this guy is. He's saying he can kill an LAV easier with his gun then he can against a heavy with nades and squad mates thrown in. I had no idea his corp was that awful. Or maybe the trolling is suppose to be so obvious no one had to comment? I'm so confused right now.
Mr Zitro Imperfects Negative-Feedback 417	Posted - 2013.01.06 06:21:00 - [58] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Olav Grey-Mane wrote: Every heavy i've ever seen and shot at has taken 48 rounds to the chest with my geck assault rifle and only lost their shield, dare it say it... heavies need to be nerfed badly. proof: I can take out an LAV with my gun easier than I can a heavy with my gun and 2 grenades and squad mate behind me, I'm surprised no one jumped at a chance to say how bad this guy is. He's saying he can kill an LAV easier with his gun then he can against a heavy with nades and squad mates thrown in. I had no idea his corp was that awful. Or maybe the trolling is suppose to be so obvious no one had to comment? I'm so confused right now. No one commented cause no one cares ^_^
Breakin Stuff Immobile Infantry 680	Posted - 2013.01.06 06:24:00 - [59] - Quote that one's so full of obvious and fail if I were to engage my normal tactics I'd feel bad.
Val'herik Dorn CrimeWave Syndicate 263	Posted - 2013.01.06 08:26:00 - [60] - Quote Flagratus wrote: You know, I would just like to have. equipment slot so I can carry some nanohives. No. why? because of 425 round clip that you can empty Down to around half or a third without overheating. I run a heavy machine gun on the occasion I feel the need to move like a walrous in the desert and hit like a hurricane. Find a logi bro you want ammo.



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