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ArMaGeDoN The Cat
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
157
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Posted - 2012.12.31 13:46:00 -
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Seriously WTF, no matter where you are at least 2 snipers are watching you. And they can insta kill you out of nowhere in an unreachable place. I'm constantly hearing the bullets from the snipers whistle near me, I seriously heared 5 bullets travel one by one near me in a time period of one and a half seconds.
They don't even have to risk their dropsuit because they're 99.99% safe. |
Skag Barron
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
52
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Posted - 2012.12.31 13:48:00 -
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what sniper rifle are you being killed by mostly? |
ArMaGeDoN The Cat
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
157
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Posted - 2012.12.31 13:50:00 -
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Skag Barron wrote:what sniper rifle are you being killed by mostly? All kinds, I don't see any specific one.
Edit: Just saw a Kaalakiota. |
Jeremiah ambromot
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
8
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Posted - 2012.12.31 13:57:00 -
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Learn anti sniper movements. Don't run in a strait line, backtrack, zig zag, jump( although this one is least effective). As a sniper I can tell you that running in a strait line makes you an easy target. |
aden slayer
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
407
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Posted - 2012.12.31 14:00:00 -
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Duck, cover and run. I survived with this rules. |
ArMaGeDoN The Cat
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
157
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Posted - 2012.12.31 14:02:00 -
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Jeremiah ambromot wrote:Learn anti sniper movements. Don't run in a strait line, backtrack, zig zag, jump( although this one is least effective). As a sniper I can tell you that running in a strait line makes you an easy target. You think I don't know that? I have done pretty much everything you can imagine to avoid sniping. But as soon as I get out of cover, BANG, dead. None of the anti-sniper movement works if you have a decent sniper, heck I pick it up once in a while and do pretty good against those anti-sniper movements, and I'm not a good sniper.
aden slayer wrote:Duck, cover and run. I survived with this rules.
And die. I'm a FPS player from the start, my first non flash game was Counter Strike. I played any popular to not so popular FPS. In the years I played I picked up a lot of skills that are useful in almost all FPS, how to avoid sniping is one of them. But its just impossible here, unless you have cover every 30 centimeters (which you don't if you move from point to point).
Edit: In addition, even if you are in cover, there is almost always another sniper just lining up a shot while you're licking your wounds behind cover. |
KripnawtiQ Prime
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
206
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Posted - 2012.12.31 14:22:00 -
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Not that I don't agree with u bout snipers, they are a part of the game and here to stay. I think we all get sniped once in awhile. Maybe sniper deaths are just more annoying. Because you don't really get the chance to defend urself they stand out more than a death from a weapon of another class (or vehicle). Tbh...ill take a sniper bullet to the temple any day over getting run over by a throw away LAV. |
Reout Karaal
Doomheim
85
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Posted - 2012.12.31 14:22:00 -
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aden slayer wrote:Duck, cover and run. I survived with this rules. How many times have you tested those against Immnuto or Edrot on officer sniper rifles? Or even on buffed up Kalaakiotas? If you've got two+ snipers on your head those tactics are worthless, you will die. Especially if they're on KBM. KBM makes red-line-sniping a super easy mode for mentally challenged kiddies. Some offence intended.
The funniest thing is that some people think that going 40/0 is something to be proud of, even if in the end they've lost the match (as tanks and snipers never take points). |
aden slayer
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
407
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Posted - 2012.12.31 14:33:00 -
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ArMaGeDoN The Cat wrote:aden slayer wrote:Duck, cover and run. I survived with this rules. And die. I'm a FPS player from the start, my first non flash game was Counter Strike. I played any popular to not so popular FPS. In the years I played I picked up a lot of skills that are useful in almost all FPS, how to avoid sniping is one of them. But its just impossible here, unless you have cover every 30 centimeters (which you don't if you move from point to point). Edit: In addition, even if you are in cover, there is almost always another sniper just lining up a shot while you're licking your wounds behind cover.
One problem players make is that when they are behind cover they assume they are safe. Your problem right now is using cover positions without checking the surroundings(The first mistake I realized you made when you started this thread.)
Also, have you ever thought of countering the snipers by acting as bait to give your teammates enough time take them out? Or are you too focused on avoiding them and allowing them to be bold? |
Corbina Ninja
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
77
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Posted - 2012.12.31 14:36:00 -
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there is no way to hit a sniper over the hill in the red zone snipe him is impossible or very difficult. is a glitch or a bug i dont know... i read 100% efficiency in the crosshair but nothing happens when i shoot him
someone have had the same thing? |
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aden slayer
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
407
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Posted - 2012.12.31 14:38:00 -
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Corbina Ninja wrote:there is no way to hit a sniper over the hill in the red zone snipe him is impossible or very difficult. is a glitch or a bug i dont know... i read 100% efficiency in the crosshair but nothing happens when i shoot him someone have had the same thing?
I have no problem with killing a camper in the red zone. You are just not aiming right. |
NovaShadowStorm
The Southern Legion
63
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Posted - 2012.12.31 14:40:00 -
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aden slayer wrote:ArMaGeDoN The Cat wrote:aden slayer wrote:Duck, cover and run. I survived with this rules. And die. I'm a FPS player from the start, my first non flash game was Counter Strike. I played any popular to not so popular FPS. In the years I played I picked up a lot of skills that are useful in almost all FPS, how to avoid sniping is one of them. But its just impossible here, unless you have cover every 30 centimeters (which you don't if you move from point to point). Edit: In addition, even if you are in cover, there is almost always another sniper just lining up a shot while you're licking your wounds behind cover. One problem players make is that when they are behind cover they assume they are safe. Your problem right now is using cover positions without checking the surroundings(The first mistake I realized you made when you started this thread.) Also, have you ever thought of countering the snipers by acting as bait to give your teammates enough time take them out? Or are you too focused on avoiding them and allowing them to be bold?
^ Agreed you have to run to cover but always be aware of where you are visible from, if your team has a line of defense check your flanks, check behind you (most likely they won't be there but there is always a chance they might) and check for any one else dying and see where they were standing. I don't play sniper as much as I used to but they aren't unbeatable.
You just have to outflank them and shoot them back. More often than not they'll be scoped in or looking at only a small radius infront of them and won't pay their flanks any attention. Not only that but if you get in range of them even head on if you tart putting bullets in them it makes the scope jump something fierce meaning that in most likely hood their shot will miss if they try open fire on you as you run towards them gunning them down. As a sniper and being on the end of being sniped I can assure you of these things. Though I will admit tacticals are a ***** and you most likely will die if they hit you since the time until second shot is less than half a second. |
Noraa Anderson
Nox Aeterna Security
184
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Posted - 2012.12.31 14:41:00 -
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Snipers are snipers and they can't not be in this game. The problem arises from the bowl shape of these maps and their general openess. To be fair, while they are an annoyance, it's not hard to see that most of the snipers aren't much of a benefit to their teams. |
Obama DAT
Doomheim
389
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Posted - 2012.12.31 14:55:00 -
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Everymap is a fish bowl so right now it's a camper (sniper) paradies. You can tell what side is going to win the game based upon the number of snipers. If your team has more snipers than the other chances are you're going to lose the match. |
Corbina Ninja
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
77
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Posted - 2012.12.31 14:56:00 -
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aden slayer wrote:Corbina Ninja wrote:there is no way to hit a sniper over the hill in the red zone snipe him is impossible or very difficult. is a glitch or a bug i dont know... i read 100% efficiency in the crosshair but nothing happens when i shoot him someone have had the same thing? I have no problem with killing a camper in the red zone. You are just not aiming right.
i suck with SR ... i know ... but I have no problem with snipers on rooftops or structures only those at the top of the hill
a sniper in the red zone has no other enemies only other snipers or a precision strike? is quite ridiculous imo |
aden slayer
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
407
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Posted - 2012.12.31 15:00:00 -
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Reout Karaal wrote:aden slayer wrote:Duck, cover and run. I survived with this rules. How many times have you tested those against Immnuto or Edrot on officer sniper rifles? Or even on buffed up Kalaakiotas? If you've got two+ snipers on your head those tactics are worthless, you will die. Especially if they're on KBM. KBM makes red-line-sniping a super easy mode for mentally challenged kiddies. Some offence intended. The funniest thing is that some people think that going 40/0 is something to be proud of, even if in the end they've lost the match (as tanks and snipers never take points).
I try this tactic all the time and surprising survive most of the time. But if I'm pinned at one spot and the next cover is too far away. I call in a LAV to drive safely away. I'm not offended, only surprised by your post because snipers only fires straight but you are telling me that once a sniper opens fire you will die without a chance. |
Moochie Cricket
SyNergy Gaming
143
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Posted - 2012.12.31 15:51:00 -
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Once these maps open up snipers will be less of a problem. No red line at their back and more area to cover/less density of enemy players means snipers will be forced to assume a role as a spotter or defender of an objective rather then just a way to pad kdr. Plus if the maps open up those snipers will have a LONG way to travel to get themselves into a prime spot. |
Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
369
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Posted - 2012.12.31 16:25:00 -
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The problem with manus peak is that snipers hiding in their own redline or just outside it can see pretty much the whole map without risking anything.
I don't care about snipers sitting way back if they have limited view of the battlefield, but right now they can pretty much defend all the objectives.
It's the same with railgun tanks. Again, I don't care about a tank sitting near his redline sniping as long as he can't see half the map. He can do that now, and even if you get into a position to shoot him with a forge gun, he'll just back up into the redline. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2866
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Posted - 2012.12.31 16:41:00 -
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Sorry but I wear militia gear and I have never had a sniper one shot me. |
aden slayer
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
407
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Posted - 2012.12.31 16:44:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sorry but I wear militia gear and I have never had a sniper one shot me.
This. |
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Integral Zan
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
46
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Posted - 2012.12.31 16:46:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sorry but I wear militia gear and I have never had a sniper one shot me. A headshot will take care of that |
Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
369
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Posted - 2012.12.31 19:15:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sorry but I wear militia gear and I have never had a sniper one shot me. Then you haven't run into the guys with the Thale I imagine? |
Evane Sa'edi
Celtic Anarchy
62
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Posted - 2012.12.31 19:30:00 -
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I love the ladders. The target is in a fixed movement pattern. as for the rifle go for the Hi-powered Charge sniper rifle or the long range Experimental Sniper Rifle |
ArMaGeDoN The Cat
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
157
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Posted - 2012.12.31 20:56:00 -
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aden slayer wrote:ArMaGeDoN The Cat wrote:aden slayer wrote:Duck, cover and run. I survived with this rules. And die. I'm a FPS player from the start, my first non flash game was Counter Strike. I played any popular to not so popular FPS. In the years I played I picked up a lot of skills that are useful in almost all FPS, how to avoid sniping is one of them. But its just impossible here, unless you have cover every 30 centimeters (which you don't if you move from point to point). Edit: In addition, even if you are in cover, there is almost always another sniper just lining up a shot while you're licking your wounds behind cover. One problem players make is that when they are behind cover they assume they are safe. Your problem right now is using cover positions without checking the surroundings(The first mistake I realized you made when you started this thread.) Also, have you ever thought of countering the snipers by acting as bait to give your teammates enough time take them out? Or are you too focused on avoiding them and allowing them to be bold? There is no such thing as checking if the surroundings are clear when the enemy hides behind cliffs kilometers away with only the top of their head visible. Your argument is invalid.
And my teammates can't take them out, they're in a safe spot with only snipers being able to get them, but they became very comfy where they are so if a sniper tries to take position the enemy snipers will just obliderate him.
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sorry but I wear militia gear and I have never had a sniper one shot me.
Standard gear with full two shield extenders, one armor plates and one armor rep. |
HECATONCHIRES GYGES
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
151
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Posted - 2012.12.31 21:00:00 -
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ArMaGeDoN The Cat wrote:Seriously WTF, no matter where you are at least 2 snipers are watching you. And they can insta kill you out of nowhere in an unreachable place. I'm constantly hearing the bullets from the snipers whistle near me, I seriously heared 5 bullets travel one by one near me in a time period of one and a half seconds.
They don't even have to risk their dropsuit because they're 99.99% safe. duck ,dodge, and weave son.
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ArMaGeDoN The Cat
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
157
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Posted - 2012.12.31 21:01:00 -
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HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:ArMaGeDoN The Cat wrote:Seriously WTF, no matter where you are at least 2 snipers are watching you. And they can insta kill you out of nowhere in an unreachable place. I'm constantly hearing the bullets from the snipers whistle near me, I seriously heared 5 bullets travel one by one near me in a time period of one and a half seconds.
They don't even have to risk their dropsuit because they're 99.99% safe. duck ,dodge, and weave son. I guess you never had 5 snipers aiming their crosshair at you. Please tell me how to dodge them when they have a 360 degree view of me. |
Integral Zan
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
46
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Posted - 2012.12.31 22:44:00 -
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ArMaGeDoN The Cat wrote:HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:ArMaGeDoN The Cat wrote:Seriously WTF, no matter where you are at least 2 snipers are watching you. And they can insta kill you out of nowhere in an unreachable place. I'm constantly hearing the bullets from the snipers whistle near me, I seriously heared 5 bullets travel one by one near me in a time period of one and a half seconds.
They don't even have to risk their dropsuit because they're 99.99% safe. duck ,dodge, and weave son. I guess you never had 5 snipers aiming their crosshair at you. Please tell me how to dodge them when they have a 360 degree view of me. Why did you get yourself into that situation? |
PyroTech 03
Legion of Darkwind Order of the Void
3
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Posted - 2013.01.01 00:46:00 -
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Is it just me.....
Or is this guy going to just say he's tried everything you say and discredit everything you say??
Just let him whine and tire himself out. He'll go down for a nap soon enough. |
Sandromin Hes
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc.
204
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Posted - 2013.01.01 00:51:00 -
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Remember the 5 D's of Dodgebullet:
Dodge Dip Duck Dive Dodge
It helps. |
Jikt Terlen
Certificate of Participation
6
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Posted - 2013.01.01 01:00:00 -
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My hope is that they go through with the map randomization, which should help with the sniper problem. The issue is not that snipers are unavoidable, it's that as things are now, they make the game boring for anybody who isn't a sniper. Yes, it's possible to dodge the ePeen fire, the question is whether you really want to invest time in a game that's about dodging ePeen fire as opposed to taking and holding objectives and winning the match. |
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TEXA5 HiTM4N
ROGUE SPADES
49
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Posted - 2013.01.01 01:00:00 -
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why do people complain so much about snipers being snipers? play with a squad that has one good sniper to counter-snipe them. my corp rarely complains about snipers unless they are playing against me. also, don't stand in the open area like your some kind of special. |
lordjanuz
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation
88
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Posted - 2013.01.01 01:21:00 -
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TEXA5 HiTM4N wrote:why do people complain so much about snipers being snipers? play with a squad that has one good sniper to counter-snipe them. my corp rarely complains about snipers unless they are playing against me. also, don't stand in the open area like your some kind of special.
We always have a sniper in our squad, his main task is to kill snipers, give Intel on where they are and movement on FI elswere. Mic and teamwork work fine, get killed sometimes but that is a part of the game.
Cant wait for the light fighters to come, snipers will be in for a hard time.
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The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2013.01.01 01:43:00 -
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TDC's survival guide against snipers: -If you hear a bullet next to your head get in cover ASAP (decent headset makes it easy to know the snipers position) -can you see the sniper? No? then stay in cover if yes proceed with the next point. -Is the sniper in your effective range? if yes return fire, if no stay in cover -if you cant get close to them by normal movements due to a open view on the field then stay in cover -while in cover get a LAV, jump in and drive at max speed to the snipers position -laugh at him while he tries to quickscope you and gun him down up close
only problem here is the redline snipers on skirmish where it is very hard to counter them. But oh well usually i get a tank then and show them my definition of "sniping". |
Enderr Wigginn
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
57
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Posted - 2013.01.01 01:44:00 -
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Counter sniper counter sniper counter sniper. The first time I get killed by a sniper I switch to my sniper class and start counter sniping. Even if I am not killing them I am making them worry about me and not my team. |
TEXA5 HiTM4N
ROGUE SPADES
49
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Posted - 2013.01.01 07:12:00 -
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lordjanuz wrote:TEXA5 HiTM4N wrote:why do people complain so much about snipers being snipers? play with a squad that has one good sniper to counter-snipe them. my corp rarely complains about snipers unless they are playing against me. also, don't stand in the open area like your some kind of special. We always have a sniper in our squad, his main task is to kill snipers, give Intel on where they are and movement on FI elswere. Mic and teamwork work fine, get killed sometimes but that is a part of the game. Cant wait for the light fighters to come, snipers will be in for a hard time.
see. it works. |
Wako 75
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
76
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Posted - 2013.01.01 07:17:00 -
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really doesnt take that long if they are infront of redline to just run up and shoot them try it out and also what suit are you running because they dont oneshot me in a starter fit assault |
ArMaGeDoN The Cat
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
157
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Posted - 2013.01.01 10:15:00 -
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To be frank I did all of the above except bringing a sniper for my own team. *Sigh* |
Tammerion
Codex Troopers
7
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Posted - 2013.01.01 12:59:00 -
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For me, Sniper is my only option.
I'm old :) and my cat like reflexes you all young kids have, have long since left.
But my hands are still steady, just can't compete with you all on the front line...go with your strengths, ya know..
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Eflin Trollunge
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2013.01.01 14:08:00 -
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This is one of the few games I am enjoying sniping, though I dont red line or anything, I am running around a lot changing positions taking points,
SMG for close fights sniper for long fights, Drop uplinks for support, though may switch out for a nanite injector.
my only thing is I cant tell if I need to lead shots or not that seems a bit sketchy so not sniping as well as I could be |
xAckie
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
125
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Posted - 2013.01.01 14:37:00 -
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sniping is poorly implemented in this game.
and mainly it is down to the maps. They are open and bowls. Allowing anyone at high elevation to peer down. I can pick up my militia sniper rifle with no sp in it and sit pack and rack up kills due to this.
Because of the maps there is no sense of snipers having a role/ be tactically beneficial for the team in and of its own. I.E. helping change the course of the match; such as pushing/ funnelling the opposition to take certain routes with the help of ground forces doing the same but close up. Or help pin them down the opposition in areas. (this is most noticeable on the 3 letter maps)
counter sniping is not an answer if the original problem of how they have been implemented isnt looked at. |
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NovaShadowStorm
The Southern Legion
63
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Posted - 2013.01.01 15:13:00 -
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Once again snipers aren't invulnerable nor are they invisible if someone is shooting you it means they must be in visible range somewhere. If you run to cover and still hear bullets look around. You should see something just look hard and look up. Most snipers will always try to find elevated ground. Use your scope to try and look around you may see a flash of a red triangle. And when you die you should get a red triangel showing from which direction you took the fatal shot before dropping so long as you have an idea of the direction you have a chance to find them. It's not impossible to find them even if they are on the other end of the map if you can get your sights over them they will appear even if it's briefly.
It makes you wonder what people truly expect from snipers in a game. I'm not sure about the rest of you but I have played Sniper for a while (not so much anymore since I'm playing on that small Asia game show map) and I don't red line but I will admit I find nice spots in hard to find areas and watch over the battle field. I counter snipe, protect points and help out struggling team mates awhen I see them being chased by few guys. Other than that I kill anything that enters my kill zone what more do you want a sniper to do? They are back line anti infantry units and so long as they aren't blatantly ignoring the flow of the game and do keep you covered I don't see a problem.
The main problem people complain about snipers is "Oh they're too far out of range for us to fight back before we get killed" Well DUH thats the whole idea of a sniper to kill someone before they can get to you. Thats what a sniper is a specialist in long range combat. Peoples problem isn't with snipers truly it's that so many people go as snipers because they don't want to risk dying that is the real issue. That being said those not dedicated to being snipers and not levelling sniper rifles will have absurd sway to their aim while standing and will take a long time to stabilise after crouching making those ones easy to evade.
Also for non believes yes you can kill someone with 1 shot fom a sniper but it's either A) A scout suit or B) A headshot. Scout suits just have jack all HP and a headshot deals 195% damage but getting a headshot on anything other than another sniper, Laser rifler or just someone standing still engaging someone else at long range and not moving is extremely hard. Any body shots on something not a scout will require 2+ hits to kill. |
Sir Meode
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
317
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Posted - 2013.01.01 15:20:00 -
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Sniper Riffles are pretty OP atm the need damage and range nerf |
Jak Teston
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
99
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Posted - 2013.01.01 15:40:00 -
[43] - Quote
Sniper rifles don't fill their role at 400 meters. At that range they mostly fill the niche of padding the operator's kdr.
Reduce that range to 200 meters and bring the snipers closer to the fight. Then we'll have the whole stealth gameplay based on sensors and connected skills the devs wanted. Snipers will be able to focus on a specific corridor and keep it locked down, but won't be able to overlook all important points at the same time.
Alternatively all maps could be changed so sniper's can't make use of their effective range. |
Cal Predine
StarKnight Security
37
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Posted - 2013.01.05 14:15:00 -
[44] - Quote
NovaShadowStorm wrote:...Peoples problem isn't with snipers truly it's that so many people go as snipers because they don't want to risk dying that is the real issue.
Absolutely spot on. So-called snipers (most of which aren't worthy of the title) can easily farm kills with amazingly reduced risk to themselves compared to line infantry. While dragging in these high K/D ratios and the rewards that go with them, they offer nothing to their team-mates in Skirmish games, as they never leave their hills, so take no part in winning the game (can't capture any objectives from up in the hills).
Therefore the risk Vs reward balance for "snipers" is wrong in Skirmish games, and needs to be addressed.
Now, Ambush games are a different matter, as kill total *does* win that game mode for the team. I don't usually play Ambush, so can't really comment. I will note, however, that there were *far* fewer "snipers" in the HK Game show Ambush matches than in most Skirmish games I play. Possibly due to map layout, where they didn't have hills to hide in safely within the enemy's red zone. |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
902
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Posted - 2013.01.05 14:36:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sorry but I wear militia gear and I have never had a sniper one shot me.
anecdotal evidence ftw |
trollsroyce
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
164
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Posted - 2013.01.05 18:43:00 -
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Cal Predine wrote:NovaShadowStorm wrote:...Peoples problem isn't with snipers truly it's that so many people go as snipers because they don't want to risk dying that is the real issue. Absolutely spot on. So-called snipers (most of which aren't worthy of the title) can easily farm kills with amazingly reduced risk to themselves compared to line infantry. While dragging in these high K/D ratios and the rewards that go with them, they offer nothing to their team-mates in Skirmish games, as they never leave their hills, so take no part in winning the game (can't capture any objectives from up in the hills). Therefore the risk Vs reward balance for "snipers" is wrong in Skirmish games, and needs to be addressed. Now, Ambush games are a different matter, as kill total *does* win that game mode for the team. I don't usually play Ambush, so can't really comment. I will note, however, that there were *far* fewer "snipers" in the HK Game show Ambush matches than in most Skirmish games I play. Possibly due to map layout, where they didn't have hills to hide in safely within the enemy's red zone.
Snipers can make a difference on skirmishes, as having the stronger grip of the field acts as a detriment on everything the other team tries to accomplish. A team just needs to find the right balance of snipers, avs, tanks etc... to make it work. Skirmishes do end up with clone reserve wipe, and in those cases the sniper scoring high frags certainly contributed.
sniping on the gameshow map was cool but rage-inducing due to horrendous spawn locations. |
trollsroyce
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
164
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Posted - 2013.01.05 18:49:00 -
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A good sniping fit with Thales rifle knocks 320 base damage, modded with 3 complex modules and up to 25% more damage from skills. The rifle will cost hefty isk, I'd figure in the 10 mill range. That'll be a juicy orbital strike target :) |
Washlee
UnReaL.
131
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Posted - 2013.01.05 18:54:00 -
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Bob N Weave man or you'll find yourself down the sight of my sniper. |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2013.01.05 18:59:00 -
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Dust is not the only game to ever have sniper rifles. Just look at what Planetside 2 did to keep their snipers in check. Sniper rifles have scope sway even when crouched. Sniper rifles have bullet drop. And the bullets they shoot have travel time to their target, rather than being hitscan like Dust. The ones that kill in a couple shots (or one headshot) are bolt-action and have a delay between firing.
The result is that shooting from extreme ranges is very difficult to do effectively. You see snipers relatively close to fights because that's the only place they can reliably get kills from. And because they're closer to fights, they're able to be engaged like anyone else. There's no concern in that game over unreachable snipers shooting across maps.
Make sniping difficult to do, make it something other than a perfectly precise hitscan weapon that can shoot across maps, and the issue of sniping in Dust is over with. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
428
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Posted - 2013.01.05 19:06:00 -
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I agree with a little sway, as a part time sniper.
Also, using code breaker mods really diminishes sniper value. How? If you can hack an Objective fast enough before a sniper get's a read, their team will lose objectives, thus the sniper value begins to decrease. Also, as said numerous times, get your team a sniper. Sniper hunting is not only fun, but it's of importance. |
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Dominus Fatali
Nox Aeterna Security
34
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Posted - 2013.01.05 19:09:00 -
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Noraa Anderson wrote:Snipers are snipers and they can't not be in this game. The problem arises from the bowl shape of these maps and their general openess. To be fair, while they are an annoyance, it's not hard to see that most of the snipers aren't much of a benefit to their teams. I was playing with a snipper from your corp the other day, and he did pretty well taking objectives. |
Belzeebub Santana
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
409
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Posted - 2013.01.05 20:26:00 -
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Ha red line snipers! Back in my day we had the tower snipers and the rocket spam from the towers! I remember a good few times chasing Gem Cutter to the top of those damn things squishing him with my DS, those were real rage inducing times. Draw distance made them invisible from across the map. Ah the good ole' days... |
Overlord Ulath
Doomheim
85
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Posted - 2013.01.05 21:10:00 -
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aden slayer wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sorry but I wear militia gear and I have never had a sniper one shot me. This. You guys obviously haven't played against me when I have my charged rifle with 3 complex dmg mods out. I can 1 shot any militia suit even without a headshot unless they are sporting high level mods on that cheapass suit. In which case, a headshot is still a OHK. |
lDocHollidayl
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
171
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Posted - 2013.01.05 21:27:00 -
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Easiest one button fix....smoke grenades. If we can spam smoke (like in most other games and RL) snipers lose their value. Lets all be honest...one hit kills are rare..headshots.
The most annoying thing is behind red line sniping, 2nd is the head glitch (or whatever causes me see see them and get hit but can not connect my bullets..blue shields too)
Snipers need to be in game. They need to be powerful and able to shoot from afar. Be careful guys not to eliminate a class. |
Lorilai Libertas
the Aurum Grinder and Company
20
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Posted - 2013.01.05 21:37:00 -
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Your best defense against snipers is another sniper. they/we actively hunt other snipers, because they are a sniper's greatest threat.
the hardest target is the one which moves in this manner:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownian_motion
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Gem Cutter
CrimeWave Syndicate
11
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Posted - 2013.01.06 03:18:00 -
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Belzeebub Santana wrote:Ha red line snipers! Back in my day we had the tower snipers and the rocket spam from the towers! I remember a good few times chasing Gem Cutter to the top of those damn things squishing him with my DS, those were real rage inducing times. Draw distance made them invisible from across the map. Ah the good ole' days...
Of course that was when we only had the one map and the towers provided the best vantage point. Now you're just a sitting duck for other snipers and finding partial cover is the name of the game this time around. Some maps have it, some don't. Of course my favorite thing at that time was calling in the free tanks shooting back at dropships up there. Even better I did manage to take out a dropship with a snipe rifle with about 20 rounds when they were able to do that kind of damage to them. BS is right...the good ole' days.... |
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