NO
It only has high damage in long range, at close range the damage is terrible. Just because you know someone who is very skilled with the weapon does NOT mean that its overpowered.

(...) Don't they have a temperature build up or a slow building recoil? (...)

you dont need to be skilled, all you need to do is strap 3+ damage mods on and hold the dot over the target for 3 seconds.

Nothing wrong with the lasers, like what was already said they have to be used at a specific range. If you close the distance between you and a laser they don't stand a chance.

This has to be the stupidest thing possible. I am continually killed by AR guys with more range than me, it eats up a good chunk of ammo, and it has heat build up as well, which I have to be careful of or it kills me. That is how it works. I cannot fight anyone in close-mid range without struggling, and it's only useful in mid-long range. Also, nothing was changed on it to suddenly make it OP. People said same **** about Mas Drivers, yet complaining has stopped. Trust me, I have used a Viziam with 3 10% damage mods, and it's an amazing weapon, but still completely situational. Also, damage is build up over time. I can't tell you how many guys get down to half their armor, and manage to get away.

But how can you close the gap when they burn through shield and armour at such a fast rate that you either die, get killed by something else or are left void because you have no health?

Once again it seems that you have to be under very certain circumstances to live through them.

NO
It only has high damage in long range, at close range the damage is terrible. Just because you know someone who is very skilled with the weapon does NOT mean that its overpowered.

But how can you close the gap when they burn through shield and armour at such a fast rate that you either die, get killed by something else or are left void because you have no health?

Once again it seems that you have to be under very certain circumstances to live through them.

Let my straight this up - you just made very important topic about weapon you not even test it? Beside it's a laser htf it suppose to have recoil? Find in you apartment flashlight battery, turn off regular light then turn on flashlight - do it a few times, then come back here and tell us all did it recoil, ok.

But how can you close the gap when they burn through shield and armour at such a fast rate that you either die, get killed by something else or are left void because you have no health?

Once again it seems that you have to be under very certain circumstances to live through them.

Not saying they're OP but they are my newest threat. I won't even bother taking them on at long distance if I can't kill them in a few seconds. Even harder now without any real sights

Use cover, it really isn't as hard as you think to get up close to someone. Then again, I still haven't logged on dust since the Chromosome update, so I will have to login and see, maybe without pinpoint accurate AR rounds I won't be forced into cover as much, so maybe you have a good point.

But please don't add recoil, that would screw with the whole point of the gun, recoil is supposed to make you burst fire your weapons, but damage increases the longer you fire, so even a tiny amount of recoil would just completely screw the gun. If you HAVE to nerf the gun, just tweak damage or maybe charge time a little.

I vote that we let this thread sink into oblivion. If you agree, don't comment.

I vote that we let this thread sink into oblivion. If you agree, don't comment.

ADD RECOIL NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Laser rifles missed out on their Proto lvl weapons damage being toned down, or the basic ones damage up iirc. I have only used the basic one, and sometimes, it does seem rather insanely effective. Now, I know it's rubbish up close, but that's what side arms are for...

Lasers just need the little tweak like other weapons.

lolwrothy topic. The standard/advanced lasers are basically identical. The only difference is that the Elm-7 overheats at around 16 rounds left in the clip while standard does it on 20. Thats not really a point for using the Elm-7 (advanced) that requires more CPU/PG/ISK for such a tiny advantage. And dont forget both weapons have the same identical damage (15HP). The base damage with the viziam is 20 but it goes very fast up the more heat that thing is building up. And lasers have beeing changed on this build cause the advanced and proto overheat much quicker then they did before. However the skillbook itself does nothing even though its supposed to lower the heat up rate. The main reason why you think the laser is overpowred is because you cant fight it on medium-long range with a AR. And for people saying they drop fast here is the answer:
scouts= minimal health and very easy to kill (like they do against any weapon)
assaults= 90% of the time they focus on shields and with that they are extreme weak against lasers
heavys= slow and big targets, very easy to keep the beam on them
Logis= die a bit slower then scouts cause they have as usual less health then assaults

oh and if you see a laser guy dont try to play peek a boo over range. The laser usually will win. And now about something different.
Who on earth came up with the Heavy+Laser combo? That is one of the worst fits ive ever saw on this game apart from heavy shock and heavy with a shotgun.

or we could reduce the range to where its a medium range, making it more BALANCE like they did to AR's, only sniper rifles should shoot long ranges.

if anything lasers need a buff, along the lines of still being effective at close range, its not exactly easy to keep the laser on ppl at close range so why not reward that with similar dmg to an AR.

Alright well how about they make some different variations of the same weapon like other weapons for example a breach laser rifle, it rapidly looses beam strength at long range but melts at close range and is average at medium?

or Assault Laser Rifle, fires its beam in pulses inefficient at long and short range but excels at medium?

Here's my problem:
I run logistics, but I still end up with a combined total of 450 HP, and I was killed from 2 seconds of sustained fire from a proto laser rifle. Yes, I was at his optimal range, yes, I was out in the open and should have expected to die, but 2 seconds is nothing, even if I had been standing an inch from cover, there still wouldn't have been time to get away.

Recoil on a laser.
Man, I wish everyone in our community was this brilliant.

lolwrothy topic. The standard/advanced lasers are basically identical. The only difference is that the Elm-7 overheats at around 16 rounds left in the clip while standard does it on 20. Thats not really a point for using the Elm-7 (advanced) that requires more CPU/PG/ISK for such a tiny advantage. And dont forget both weapons have the same identical damage (15HP). The base damage with the viziam is 20 but it goes very fast up the more heat that thing is building up. And lasers have beeing changed on this build cause the advanced and proto overheat much quicker then they did before. However the skillbook itself does nothing even though its supposed to lower the heat up rate. The main reason why you think the laser is overpowred is because you cant fight it on medium-long range with a AR. And for people saying they drop fast here is the answer:
scouts= minimal health and very easy to kill (like they do against any weapon)
assaults= 90% of the time they focus on shields and with that they are extreme weak against lasers
heavys= slow and big targets, very easy to keep the beam on them
Logis= die a bit slower then scouts cause they have as usual less health then assaults

oh and if you see a laser guy dont try to play peek a boo over range. The laser usually will win. And now about something different.
Who on earth came up with the Heavy+Laser combo? That is one of the worst fits ive ever saw on this game apart from heavy shock and heavy with a shotgun.

Very well said dark... let me just highlight something exxtrraa large thats kinda key here:

assaults= 90% of the time they focus on shields and with that they are extreme weak against lasers
assaults= 90% of the time they focus on shields and with that they are extreme weak against lasers
assaults= 90% of the time they focus on shields and with that they are extreme weak against lasers



The main reason why you think the laser is overpowred is because you cant fight it on medium-long range with a AR.

There are maaanyyy different facets to this game, people thinking too simple... this is not your typical FPS that needs every weapon to be similiar. It is a more team focused game meaning where you may lack your allies can cover you.


However i would argue you can actually fight medium range with AR, but perhaps the term medium range is somewhat subjective

I'm trying to find out if I'm being killed by an OP weapon or if I'm facing reall reall good players becaus it honestly feels the first. and I'm not going waste SP on something I don't want.

Fair enough on your point about the recoil, but I wasn't meaning recoil like the AR has, just like the cross hair sways around a bit because I thought it was plasma or something like that.

or we could reduce the range to where its a medium range, making it more BALANCE like they did to AR's, only sniper rifles should shoot long ranges.

Here's my problem:
I run logistics, but I still end up with a combined total of 450 HP, and I was killed from 2 seconds of sustained fire from a proto laser rifle. Yes, I was at his optimal range, yes, I was out in the open and should have expected to die, but 2 seconds is nothing, even if I had been standing an inch from cover, there still wouldn't have been time to get away.

you dont need to be skilled, all you need to do is strap 3+ damage mods on and hold the dot over the target for 3 seconds.

To the guys defending the Laser Rifles, stop being ******* assholes, simple as that.
Explain your playstyle, help newer players understand why it isn't actually OP. Is it really that hard?

It's weird that everyone moaned that the assault rifles were OP due to their high damage, pin point accuracy, zero recoil, and yet no one argues the point that last rifles have all of this and more.

And if anyone disagrees, go face The Dark Cloud and then come back. And I'm not singling him out, any laser rifle kills a lot of players (personal experience). Don't they have a temperature build up or a slow building recoil? If so I'll shut my mouth, but if not they need fixed.

I support the use of the word balance and not nerf; I supported the balancing of the ARs and I'm an AR devotee.

I think its kinda op cause of how long u can fire befor it overheats u can just mow people down. Maybe if they made it overheat faster n make the damage build up a little faster to match. so that way u have a better chance to close the distance on the laser cause he has to wait on the cooldown more often.

They wouldn't be so poweful if people thought twice about running their Type-II/B-Series assault & heavy suits.

Also; going head to head with a laser rifle at close range is like being attacked with a damp sock.

[quote=Chunky Munkey]
...no seriously. shoot the goon in the face. it is in your best interests.

Ive got a funny question for people who think lasers are OP:
Why do you come up with it now? The laser rifle is in the game for quite some time. And all off a sudden its considered OP. Why is that so?

Last night, used ELM-7 in a match, went 27-3 as a logi bro, more than 2000 points. Another guy in my squad was also using them.He went 2-9 (random blue). Also, I don't use damage mods on this fit. There you go.


Also, I'm loving how the Assault Rifle was never considered overpowered when it was basically a laser rifle without the heat/damage build up.