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Kiiran-B
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.12.24 01:00:00 -
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It's weird that everyone moaned that the assault rifles were OP due to their high damage, pin point accuracy, zero recoil, and yet no one argues the point that last rifles have all of this and more.
And if anyone disagrees, go face The Dark Cloud and then come back. And I'm not singling him out, any laser rifle kills a lot of players (personal experience). Don't they have a temperature build up or a slow building recoil? If so I'll shut my mouth, but if not they need fixed.
I support the use of the word balance and not nerf; I supported the balancing of the ARs and I'm an AR devotee. |
Goat of Dover
Shadow Company HQ
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Posted - 2012.12.24 01:05:00 -
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Yes they are good but unlike the previous AR build they have a dead zone, which is anywhere in close range. By this I mean they don't deal damage, and a lot of our encounters are in close range.
Yes they are supposed to have a temp build up, but I am not sure if it works right. I do not believe there is a recoil though. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2012.12.24 01:05:00 -
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NO It only has high damage in long range, at close range the damage is terrible. Just because you know someone who is very skilled with the weapon does NOT mean that its overpowered. |
KryptixX
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.12.24 01:15:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:NO It only has high damage in long range, at close range the damage is terrible. Just because you know someone who is very skilled with the weapon does NOT mean that its overpowered.
you dont need to be skilled, all you need to do is strap 3+ damage mods on and hold the dot over the target for 3 seconds. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2046
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Posted - 2012.12.24 01:16:00 -
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Nothing wrong with the lasers, like what was already said they have to be used at a specific range. If you close the distance between you and a laser they don't stand a chance. |
Sobriety Denied
Universal Allies Inc.
432
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Posted - 2012.12.24 01:18:00 -
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ADD RECOIL NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
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Posted - 2012.12.24 01:20:00 -
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This has to be the stupidest thing possible. I am continually killed by AR guys with more range than me, it eats up a good chunk of ammo, and it has heat build up as well, which I have to be careful of or it kills me. That is how it works. I cannot fight anyone in close-mid range without struggling, and it's only useful in mid-long range. Also, nothing was changed on it to suddenly make it OP. People said same **** about Mas Drivers, yet complaining has stopped. Trust me, I have used a Viziam with 3 10% damage mods, and it's an amazing weapon, but still completely situational. Also, damage is build up over time. I can't tell you how many guys get down to half their armor, and manage to get away. |
Sylwester Dziewiecki
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.12.24 01:26:00 -
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Kiiran-B wrote:(...) Don't they have a temperature build up or a slow building recoil? (...) Let my straight this up - you just made very important topic about weapon you not even test it? Beside it's a laser htf it suppose to have recoil? Find in you apartment flashlight battery, turn off regular light then turn on flashlight - do it a few times, then come back here and tell us all did it recoil, ok. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
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Posted - 2012.12.24 01:28:00 -
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KryptixX wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:NO It only has high damage in long range, at close range the damage is terrible. Just because you know someone who is very skilled with the weapon does NOT mean that its overpowered. you dont need to be skilled, all you need to do is strap 3+ damage mods on and hold the dot over the target for 3 seconds. OK there buddy, try it out, see how it works out. |
Kiiran-B
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.12.24 01:33:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Nothing wrong with the lasers, like what was already said they have to be used at a specific range. If you close the distance between you and a laser they don't stand a chance.
But how can you close the gap when they burn through shield and armour at such a fast rate that you either die, get killed by something else or are left void because you have no health?
Once again it seems that you have to be under very certain circumstances to live through them. |
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Sobriety Denied
Universal Allies Inc.
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Posted - 2012.12.24 01:33:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:This has to be the stupidest thing possible. I am continually killed by AR guys with more range than me, it eats up a good chunk of ammo, and it has heat build up as well, which I have to be careful of or it kills me. That is how it works. I cannot fight anyone in close-mid range without struggling, and it's only useful in mid-long range. Also, nothing was changed on it to suddenly make it OP. People said same **** about Mas Drivers, yet complaining has stopped. Trust me, I have used a Viziam with 3 10% damage mods, and it's an amazing weapon, but still completely situational. Also, damage is build up over time. I can't tell you how many guys get down to half their armor, and manage to get away.
stop trolling forums and log back in!
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Shouper of BHD
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2012.12.24 01:36:00 -
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I used the Advance LR and have been using the prototype LR for a few days now, I do not beleive it is OP at all. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2046
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Posted - 2012.12.24 01:38:00 -
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Kiiran-B wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:Nothing wrong with the lasers, like what was already said they have to be used at a specific range. If you close the distance between you and a laser they don't stand a chance. But how can you close the gap when they burn through shield and armour at such a fast rate that you either die, get killed by something else or are left void because you have no health? Once again it seems that you have to be under very certain circumstances to live through them. Well I've always somehow done it.
I hope your not running out in the open. Also just to let you know you can also deal with them the same way you can deal with snipers, keep cover between you and them and kill other people instead of dealing with them right away. |
Victor 'LifeLine' Ramous
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2012.12.24 01:45:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:NO It only has high damage in long range, at close range the damage is terrible. Just because you know someone who is very skilled with the weapon does NOT mean that its overpowered.
This... people haven't learned yet but when your running away from an LR you aren't helping yourself out, your moving into my optimal. |
Victor 'LifeLine' Ramous
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2012.12.24 01:46:00 -
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Kiiran-B wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:Nothing wrong with the lasers, like what was already said they have to be used at a specific range. If you close the distance between you and a laser they don't stand a chance. But how can you close the gap when they burn through shield and armour at such a fast rate that you either die, get killed by something else or are left void because you have no health? Once again it seems that you have to be under very certain circumstances to live through them.
Zigzagging and going cover to cover... some players have mastered the art and if i dont have support from CQC players then id be ******. |
Kiiran-B
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.12.24 01:46:00 -
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Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:Kiiran-B wrote:(...) Don't they have a temperature build up or a slow building recoil? (...) Let my straight this up - you just made very important topic about weapon you not even test it? Beside it's a laser htf it suppose to have recoil? Find in you apartment flashlight battery, turn off regular light then turn on flashlight - do it a few times, then come back here and tell us all did it recoil, ok.
I'm trying to find out if I'm being killed by an OP weapon or if I'm facing reall reall good players becaus it honestly feels the first. and I'm not going waste SP on something I don't want.
Fair enough on your point about the recoil, but I wasn't meaning recoil like the AR has, just like the cross hair sways around a bit because I thought it was plasma or something like that.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.12.24 01:48:00 -
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Not saying they're OP but they are my newest threat. I won't even bother taking them on at long distance if I can't kill them in a few seconds. Even harder now without any real sights |
Encharrion
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.12.24 01:50:00 -
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Kiiran-B wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:Nothing wrong with the lasers, like what was already said they have to be used at a specific range. If you close the distance between you and a laser they don't stand a chance. But how can you close the gap when they burn through shield and armour at such a fast rate that you either die, get killed by something else or are left void because you have no health? Once again it seems that you have to be under very certain circumstances to live through them.
Use cover, it really isn't as hard as you think to get up close to someone. Then again, I still haven't logged on dust since the Chromosome update, so I will have to login and see, maybe without pinpoint accurate AR rounds I won't be forced into cover as much, so maybe you have a good point.
But please don't add recoil, that would screw with the whole point of the gun, recoil is supposed to make you burst fire your weapons, but damage increases the longer you fire, so even a tiny amount of recoil would just completely screw the gun. If you HAVE to nerf the gun, just tweak damage or maybe charge time a little. |
Kiiran-B
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.12.24 01:50:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Not saying they're OP but they are my newest threat. I won't even bother taking them on at long distance if I can't kill them in a few seconds. Even harder now without any real sights
I'm the exact same, 3 seconds I am killed in. |
Kiiran-B
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.12.24 01:52:00 -
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Encharrion wrote:Kiiran-B wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:Nothing wrong with the lasers, like what was already said they have to be used at a specific range. If you close the distance between you and a laser they don't stand a chance. But how can you close the gap when they burn through shield and armour at such a fast rate that you either die, get killed by something else or are left void because you have no health? Once again it seems that you have to be under very certain circumstances to live through them. Use cover, it really isn't as hard as you think to get up close to someone. Then again, I still haven't logged on dust since the Chromosome update, so I will have to login and see, maybe without pinpoint accurate AR rounds I won't be forced into cover as much, so maybe you have a good point. But please don't add recoil, that would screw with the whole point of the gun, recoil is supposed to make you burst fire your weapons, but damage increases the longer you fire, so even a tiny amount of recoil would just completely screw the gun. If you HAVE to nerf the gun, just tweak damage or maybe charge time a little.
Not nerf, I wouldn't nerf it, and I think people have misunderstood my 'recoil' statement. |
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2012.12.24 01:57:00 -
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I vote that we let this thread sink into oblivion. If you agree, don't comment. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.12.24 01:58:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I vote that we let this thread sink into oblivion. If you agree, don't comment. Yeah, that's not gonna happen |
Kiiran-B
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.12.24 02:05:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I vote that we let this thread sink into oblivion. If you agree, don't comment.
Why are people such c*nts? It's a topic under "GENERAL DISCUSSIONS" go and w*nk over your precious laser rifle if you love it so much you f*cking p*ick.
It's good that there's so much objection on a forum for discussions.
Offer your opinion sure, but don't be an a*sehole. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
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Posted - 2012.12.24 02:11:00 -
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I'm just gonna give you one tip, then I'm done.
Listen for a Laser Rifle. They make a distinct noise, and that's what you gotta hear. A laser has to fire for a bit before it does much damage, and if you hear it, start running. |
Cinnamon267
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2012.12.24 02:14:00 -
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As someone who has been using it since the Codex, they are powerful. But, people forget that they are only powerful at range. A HMG is ridiculous at close range. Same as a shotgun. I know it's hard but the way you take out someone with a laser is to get close. Any way you can. Drive. Run or jump like a bean. Or be a heavy and try and brute force your way close. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.12.24 02:21:00 -
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I noticed the main problem people seem to be having with them this build- some corp (had to be a corp because they were that organised) managed to make a "laser nest" on the top of the central structure of a line harvest ambush.
An easy way to take this nest out would be with snipers, although I didn't have much luck alone since there were so many of them it was hard to keep track of a target. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.12.24 02:35:00 -
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Sobriety Denied wrote:ADD RECOIL NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Recoil on a laser. Man, I wish everyone in our community was this brilliant. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.12.24 02:56:00 -
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Laser rifles missed out on their Proto lvl weapons damage being toned down, or the basic ones damage up iirc. I have only used the basic one, and sometimes, it does seem rather insanely effective. Now, I know it's rubbish up close, but that's what side arms are for...
Lasers just need the little tweak like other weapons. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2012.12.24 03:06:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Laser rifles missed out on their Proto lvl weapons damage being toned down, or the basic ones damage up iirc. I have only used the basic one, and sometimes, it does seem rather insanely effective. Now, I know it's rubbish up close, but that's what side arms are for...
Lasers just need the little tweak like other weapons. Yep. In a scout suit, I got hit by a proto laser for not even a half of a second and died. |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.12.24 03:28:00 -
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if anything lasers need a buff, along the lines of still being effective at close range, its not exactly easy to keep the laser on ppl at close range so why not reward that with similar dmg to an AR. |
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